White Lotus

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Which characters on the show would you consider « good » other than maybe Belinda?

The teen son —who was white— was also good.

But I think PP sees what she wants to see.

[Anonymous]

The teen son is the only << good >> person in the show because he's willing to walk away from the wealth and power that he will inherit. He's walking away from the ability to inflict tyranny and instead focus on the beauty of his existence on earth.

Then again, his approach is one based in privilege. Most working class poor don't have the safety net to walk away from it all and live as wanderer of the earth. He has the confidence because subconsciously he knows he will be bailed out by his Mom.

The microcosm of the resort was a really good allegory of the wider social and class issues at play in America. Brilliant show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The teen son is the only << good >> person in the show because he's willing to walk away from the wealth and power that he will inherit. He's walking away from the ability to inflict tyranny and instead focus on the beauty of his existence on earth.

Then again, his approach is one based in privilege. Most working class poor don't have the safety net to walk away from it all and live as wanderer of the earth. He has the confidence because subconsciously he knows he will be bailed out by his Mom.

The microcosm of the resort was a really good allegory of the wider social and class issues at play in America. Brilliant show.

I agree with this take. The characters aren’t just good people or bad people; they are people who are fighting to maintain or accrue wealth, power, and privilege in a capitalistic society. It’s more complex than “good guys” vs “bad guys”.

[Anonymous]

After having seen both White Lotus and Nine Perfect Strangers in full, I find the ending of WL to be much less satisfying than NPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After having seen both White Lotus and Nine Perfect Strangers in full, I find the ending of WL to be much less satisfying than NPS.

I know these shows are often compared but I don’t understand why. Totally different types of shows! WL deals with class, money, capitalism, environmentalism etc and is more of a character study. NPS is much more plot driven and more of a true mystery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

Connie Britton has a great line about everyone just fighting for a seat at the table of tyranny and I think this encapsulates what this show is about. The people with money or more power (white) abuse it but everyone else (mostly POC) are also just looking to get in on the money and power. They don’t have it so they can’t abuse it but they probably would, if they did. Kai’s summer fling (forgot her name, but the college daughters friend) is one of the worst characters IMO. She clings to the belief that she is better than the white family she is staying with but enjoys the luxurious vacation on their dime and, ultimately, completely screws over the man she is sleeping with. She put him in the position to take all the risk and made absolutely no effort to help when it seemed like he was in a position to get caught. She will probably continue to blame capitalism and white colonizers for what are actually her own actions.

Applause. I completely agree with this take and admire your ability to articulate it so well. At first, I felt terrible for her (and Kai, of course), but the more I thought about it, the more I came to the same conclusion as you. The constant glaring, offended looks she gave the Mossbachers were just so off-putting. Here they're generously bringing her on an incredibly expensive vacation and she treats them like "colonizers" merely because they're wealthy and white. And the daughter, Olivia, is just as bad. The constant virtue-signaling and snarky remarks - give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

umm Paula was a POC and as to actual harm caused, she was the worst person. Also no-one seems to have caught on to teh fact that Jennifer Coolidge's character is going to be bankrolling teh BLM guy and get swept up in "rescuing" him as he die from his coughing disease, she just switched him for Belinda, she realized what she washing with Belinda but just moved onto another person.

I couldn't stand Jennifer Coolidge's character. So, so selfish, self-absorbed, and needy. I found it totally unbelievable that the man staying next door would have stuck around for her utterly crazy behavior. Stalking him at the pool? Ugh. I would have run away so far and so fast.

[Anonymous]

I thought Olivia was such a b--ch. Not only how she treated Paula, but also her parents and brother. Making her brother sleep on the beach? Her mother acted horrified, but she never really put her foot down and made sure the son had a room of his own. I felt terrible for him. However, (shallow alert) he was so hard to look at. His head was enormous and his body and arms were so tiny. Very distracting.

And before anyone pounces on me, if we can dissect the females' looks, we can do the same with the guys.

[Anonymous]

I can't believe the actor who played Armand had to do TWO horrible scenes - his face in the other guy's butt and then pooping into the suitcase. I was so disgusted by both, but have to hand it to him. Pretty brave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought Olivia was such a b--ch. Not only how she treated Paula, but also her parents and brother. Making her brother sleep on the beach? Her mother acted horrified, but she never really put her foot down and made sure the son had a room of his own. I felt terrible for him. However, (shallow alert) he was so hard to look at. His head was enormous and his body and arms were so tiny. Very distracting.

And before anyone pounces on me, if we can dissect the females' looks, we can do the same with the guys.

Haha I thought I was the only one who thought this. He’s one of the good ones but definitely strange looking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the actor who played Armand had to do TWO horrible scenes - his face in the other guy's butt and then pooping into the suitcase. I was so disgusted by both, but have to hand it to him. Pretty brave.

PP again - turns out he didn't actually poop. But it sure looked like it!!

https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a37318104/the-white-lotus-did-armond-really-poop-murray-bartlett/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The teen son is the only << good >> person in the show because he's willing to walk away from the wealth and power that he will inherit. He's walking away from the ability to inflict tyranny and instead focus on the beauty of his existence on earth.

Then again, his approach is one based in privilege. Most working class poor don't have the safety net to walk away from it all and live as wanderer of the earth. He has the confidence because subconsciously he knows he will be bailed out by his Mom.

The microcosm of the resort was a really good allegory of the wider social and class issues at play in America. Brilliant show.

Oh, please, like a sixteen year old boy can walk away from his life. You know as soon as he didn’t get on the plane one of his parents got off the plane to find him and drag him back to his final year at Dalton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am totally into this show and can't wait for the finale! No spoilers please but who do we think dies???

I recall in the first episode that the older couple at the airport said "wasn't someone killed" there - which implies that it was a KILLING rather than a death by illness or accident. So the BLSM is out ?

I think Rachel is not dead - too obvious and who other than Shane would have killed her.

Is it Paula?

The other clue I thought of is that it would have to be somebody whose body needs to be transported from Maui to Honolulu. So, not Paula's boyfriend.

Also, I am in the minority on Jennifer Coolidge's character, I cannot stand her. She's SO whiny and the dynamic with her and Belinda is painful. I've actually fast forwarded through a couple of her scenes.

I'm late to this show, but I have to say I completely agree. I love Jennifer Coolidge, but HATE this character. She is so unbelievably self-absorbed, needy, and whiny. I get that that's how her character is written, but it is painful to watch. She never once asks Belinda about herself, just expects her (Belinda) to drop everything and come running when she needs her. Ugh. And her interactions with the man staying next door - CRINGE.

I thought the Molly Shannon character was spot-on and it was nice to see her not overdo it. I love MS too, and was so glad to see her just play that role straight. Also love Connie Britton's character, even if she is completely absorbed in her work. Both she and Steve Zahn said some very true things and came across as so believable. I had no idea Steve Zahn was such a good actor.

Did anyone else notice that all the "bad" people were white, and all the "good" ones were POC? I thought that was very incredibly blatant and frankly, annoying.

umm Paula was a POC and as to actual harm caused, she was the worst person. Also no-one seems to have caught on to teh fact that Jennifer Coolidge's character is going to be bankrolling teh BLM guy and get swept up in "rescuing" him as he die from his coughing disease, she just switched him for Belinda, she realized what she washing with Belinda but just moved onto another person.

I couldn't stand Jennifer Coolidge's character. So, so selfish, self-absorbed, and needy. I found it totally unbelievable that the man staying next door would have stuck around for her utterly crazy behavior. Stalking him at the pool? Ugh. I would have run away so far and so fast.

He's not going to live long. He's along for the ride.

[Anonymous]

All this hate for Olivia but she proves to be a very loyal friend. She not only keeps her friends' secret, she comforts her after they had a fight. I think all of these people have redeeming qualities, it's just that they are clueless about their privilege and that's the point of it all. People aren't terrible 100% of the time, but when they are bad it makes us see them only in a bad light.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wanted to like it, but it just wasn’t funny.

Oh, god, was is supposed to be funny? I couldn't get through the first episode. Ugh.