MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

That would be great but only 1/2 the resolution. Mom also needs to change her behavior.

[Anonymous]

this is dysfunction all around. The mom's excuse is "I want to BEAT him but the schools won't let me" and the cops are yelling at the mom to beat him more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

Fire the cops too if you are firing the administrator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

That would be great but only 1/2 the resolution. Mom also needs to change her behavior.

She sure does. But the MCPS and MCPD employees are being paid to keep that child safe, and they failed horribly. Fire them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

That would be great but only 1/2 the resolution. Mom also needs to change her behavior.

She sure does. But the MCPS and MCPD employees are being paid to keep that child safe, and they failed horribly. Fire them.

Technically they did keep him safe. MCPS is not allowed to put hands on a child so there is nothing stopping a child from leaving. The staff member followed the child and called the police to return the child. That is the proper procedure. Their behavior in how they approached things and how they talked to the child was extremely inappropriate plus the lack of MCPS staff talking to the child about his behavior but part of that was on mom playing it up for the officers. She could have just thanked them for their help and said thanks for your comments and I will handle it at home. Mom said she was refusing a different school or therapists so there is only so much MCPS can do without mom's consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

That would be great but only 1/2 the resolution. Mom also needs to change her behavior.

She sure does. But the MCPS and MCPD employees are being paid to keep that child safe, and they failed horribly. Fire them.

Technically they did keep him safe. MCPS is not allowed to put hands on a child so there is nothing stopping a child from leaving. The staff member followed the child and called the police to return the child. That is the proper procedure. Their behavior in how they approached things and how they talked to the child was extremely inappropriate plus the lack of MCPS staff talking to the child about his behavior but part of that was on mom playing it up for the officers. She could have just thanked them for their help and said thanks for your comments and I will handle it at home. Mom said she was refusing a different school or therapists so there is only so much MCPS can do without mom's consent.

This is so accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

That would be great but only 1/2 the resolution. Mom also needs to change her behavior.

She sure does. But the MCPS and MCPD employees are being paid to keep that child safe, and they failed horribly. Fire them.

Technically they did keep him safe. MCPS is not allowed to put hands on a child so there is nothing stopping a child from leaving. The staff member followed the child and called the police to return the child. That is the proper procedure. Their behavior in how they approached things and how they talked to the child was extremely inappropriate plus the lack of MCPS staff talking to the child about his behavior but part of that was on mom playing it up for the officers. She could have just thanked them for their help and said thanks for your comments and I will handle it at home. Mom said she was refusing a different school or therapists so there is only so much MCPS can do without mom's consent.

Not technically they didn’t keep him safe. They emotionally abused him and that is not safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

That would be great but only 1/2 the resolution. Mom also needs to change her behavior.

She sure does. But the MCPS and MCPD employees are being paid to keep that child safe, and they failed horribly. Fire them.

Technically they did keep him safe. MCPS is not allowed to put hands on a child so there is nothing stopping a child from leaving. The staff member followed the child and called the police to return the child. That is the proper procedure. Their behavior in how they approached things and how they talked to the child was extremely inappropriate plus the lack of MCPS staff talking to the child about his behavior but part of that was on mom playing it up for the officers. She could have just thanked them for their help and said thanks for your comments and I will handle it at home. Mom said she was refusing a different school or therapists so there is only so much MCPS can do without mom's consent.

Not technically they didn’t keep him safe. They emotionally abused him and that is not safe.

Emotional abuse isn't considered part of safety. However, his mom is equally if not more emotionally abusive. All these adults, especially Mom who should have shut it down vs. being the mom show, failed him.

[Anonymous]

He's 5. Every adult failed this child.

[Anonymous]

It also seemed to me like the teacher was just setting him up for an ED placement at that point—she says in a low voice a couple of times that the wheels are in motion with a meeting later that week. And the fact that she was recording the child and had it ready to go on her cell phone. Given what happened, I would not be surprised if she decided to call the PD, rather than incentivize the boy to return to school, because she thought it would be a helpful point in getting the kid removed from her class.

Even though I think the police and school staff behaved terribly here, I was also pretty disappointed in Don Lemon’s coverage of it last night, and the Jawanda interview. Lemon clearly had not watched the while video because he made several statements that were inconsistent with the totality of the video. Jawanda also used it to make a point about how authorities often treat black boys as older than they are—I agree with him that’s a real issue but I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. These adults just had no idea how to deal with a child that is emotionally disregulated. Some people just have no concept that not every child reacts well to the authoritarian mode. Clearly race came into play—I don’t think they would have felt empowered to act this way if the kid was white. I think they felt like it was “all in the family” because they were all black so they could get up in the mom’s business. And then the school employees are just trying to get rid of the kid anyway. I agree he seems like a sweet kid who has huge issues with emotional regulation and probably lives in fear of a lot of things. There’s maybe also some undiagnosed LDs that make school really triggering for him, since the mom says he does not have episodes at home, but it may just be sensory stuff. I wonder whether he went to preschool—there are lots of kids who do find at home but whose SNs only come out in a school setting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It also seemed to me like the teacher was just setting him up for an ED placement at that point—she says in a low voice a couple of times that the wheels are in motion with a meeting later that week. And the fact that she was recording the child and had it ready to go on her cell phone. Given what happened, I would not be surprised if she decided to call the PD, rather than incentivize the boy to return to school, because she thought it would be a helpful point in getting the kid removed from her class.

Even though I think the police and school staff behaved terribly here, I was also pretty disappointed in Don Lemon’s coverage of it last night, and the Jawanda interview. Lemon clearly had not watched the while video because he made several statements that were inconsistent with the totality of the video. Jawanda also used it to make a point about how authorities often treat black boys as older than they are—I agree with him that’s a real issue but I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. These adults just had no idea how to deal with a child that is emotionally disregulated. Some people just have no concept that not every child reacts well to the authoritarian mode. Clearly race came into play—I don’t think they would have felt empowered to act this way if the kid was white. I think they felt like it was “all in the family” because they were all black so they could get up in the mom’s business. And then the school employees are just trying to get rid of the kid anyway. I agree he seems like a sweet kid who has huge issues with emotional regulation and probably lives in fear of a lot of things. There’s maybe also some undiagnosed LDs that make school really triggering for him, since the mom says he does not have episodes at home, but it may just be sensory stuff. I wonder whether he went to preschool—there are lots of kids who do find at home but whose SNs only come out in a school setting.

The child had previous developmental issues - mom stated the child JUST started eating solid food recently. The kid had an episode during SNACK time - are the adults in the room so untrained that they don't see the connection??? An early childhood educator who can't understand why a child with feeding difficulties might have issues at snack time doesn't deserve to be an educator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It also seemed to me like the teacher was just setting him up for an ED placement at that point—she says in a low voice a couple of times that the wheels are in motion with a meeting later that week. And the fact that she was recording the child and had it ready to go on her cell phone. Given what happened, I would not be surprised if she decided to call the PD, rather than incentivize the boy to return to school, because she thought it would be a helpful point in getting the kid removed from her class.

Even though I think the police and school staff behaved terribly here, I was also pretty disappointed in Don Lemon’s coverage of it last night, and the Jawanda interview. Lemon clearly had not watched the while video because he made several statements that were inconsistent with the totality of the video. Jawanda also used it to make a point about how authorities often treat black boys as older than they are—I agree with him that’s a real issue but I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. These adults just had no idea how to deal with a child that is emotionally disregulated. Some people just have no concept that not every child reacts well to the authoritarian mode. Clearly race came into play—I don’t think they would have felt empowered to act this way if the kid was white. I think they felt like it was “all in the family” because they were all black so they could get up in the mom’s business. And then the school employees are just trying to get rid of the kid anyway. I agree he seems like a sweet kid who has huge issues with emotional regulation and probably lives in fear of a lot of things. There’s maybe also some undiagnosed LDs that make school really triggering for him, since the mom says he does not have episodes at home, but it may just be sensory stuff. I wonder whether he went to preschool—there are lots of kids who do find at home but whose SNs only come out in a school setting.

Its not that simple and yes, they would treat a white kid that way. This isn't simple sensory stuff and sensory is an OT term not diagnosis that's way over used. This child needs a special placement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It also seemed to me like the teacher was just setting him up for an ED placement at that point—she says in a low voice a couple of times that the wheels are in motion with a meeting later that week. And the fact that she was recording the child and had it ready to go on her cell phone. Given what happened, I would not be surprised if she decided to call the PD, rather than incentivize the boy to return to school, because she thought it would be a helpful point in getting the kid removed from her class.

Even though I think the police and school staff behaved terribly here, I was also pretty disappointed in Don Lemon’s coverage of it last night, and the Jawanda interview. Lemon clearly had not watched the while video because he made several statements that were inconsistent with the totality of the video. Jawanda also used it to make a point about how authorities often treat black boys as older than they are—I agree with him that’s a real issue but I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. These adults just had no idea how to deal with a child that is emotionally disregulated. Some people just have no concept that not every child reacts well to the authoritarian mode. Clearly race came into play—I don’t think they would have felt empowered to act this way if the kid was white. I think they felt like it was “all in the family” because they were all black so they could get up in the mom’s business. And then the school employees are just trying to get rid of the kid anyway. I agree he seems like a sweet kid who has huge issues with emotional regulation and probably lives in fear of a lot of things. There’s maybe also some undiagnosed LDs that make school really triggering for him, since the mom says he does not have episodes at home, but it may just be sensory stuff. I wonder whether he went to preschool—there are lots of kids who do find at home but whose SNs only come out in a school setting.

The child had previous developmental issues - mom stated the child JUST started eating solid food recently. The kid had an episode during SNACK time - are the adults in the room so untrained that they don't see the connection??? An early childhood educator who can't understand why a child with feeding difficulties might have issues at snack time doesn't deserve to be an educator.

And, she never got him help for it or any of the other concerns she mentioned. Mom could have sent in a pedisure but the kid is probably always starving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

Fire the cops too if you are firing the administrator.

PP here and I agree. Those cops still have their jobs, by the way. They have no business being LOEs - none.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It also seemed to me like the teacher was just setting him up for an ED placement at that point—she says in a low voice a couple of times that the wheels are in motion with a meeting later that week. And the fact that she was recording the child and had it ready to go on her cell phone. Given what happened, I would not be surprised if she decided to call the PD, rather than incentivize the boy to return to school, because she thought it would be a helpful point in getting the kid removed from her class.

Even though I think the police and school staff behaved terribly here, I was also pretty disappointed in Don Lemon’s coverage of it last night, and the Jawanda interview. Lemon clearly had not watched the while video because he made several statements that were inconsistent with the totality of the video. Jawanda also used it to make a point about how authorities often treat black boys as older than they are—I agree with him that’s a real issue but I don’t think that’s what’s going on here. These adults just had no idea how to deal with a child that is emotionally disregulated. Some people just have no concept that not every child reacts well to the authoritarian mode. Clearly race came into play—I don’t think they would have felt empowered to act this way if the kid was white. I think they felt like it was “all in the family” because they were all black so they could get up in the mom’s business. And then the school employees are just trying to get rid of the kid anyway. I agree he seems like a sweet kid who has huge issues with emotional regulation and probably lives in fear of a lot of things. There’s maybe also some undiagnosed LDs that make school really triggering for him, since the mom says he does not have episodes at home, but it may just be sensory stuff. I wonder whether he went to preschool—there are lots of kids who do find at home but whose SNs only come out in a school setting.

The child had previous developmental issues - mom stated the child JUST started eating solid food recently. The kid had an episode during SNACK time - are the adults in the room so untrained that they don't see the connection??? An early childhood educator who can't understand why a child with feeding difficulties might have issues at snack time doesn't deserve to be an educator.

+1. That is what is especially appalling. That the police behaved they did is atrocious but they are ultimately trained to treat everyone like criminals. They do not study early childhood development. The administrators on the other hand are supposed to be educated in this field and at the very least, recognize how completely inappropriate it was to verbally terrorize this young child.