MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools will not provide the evaluation and help he needs. If they did this would never be an issue.

I've been the one-on-one para for kids with issues such as this. Giving the help can reduce the behavior, but doesn't stop it.

Agree, a good para can identify the triggers and pull the child out of the classroom or try to deescalate but cannot stop it. There is more going on with this child. I'd suspect LD's or even something as simple as hungry or doesn't feel like he can community his needs and ask for help or cannot communicate his needs and ask for help (we've had teachers where they got annoyed at the kids for asking for help or refused to help and my child really shut down in ES and just would sit there and not do the work and then they call and complain). But, even so, this is a kid who needs talked through to help him calm down and talked to afterward (plus consequences but Mom needs to be consistent).

He doesn't seem like a bad kid. He seems like a kid who needs much more and the adults around him gave up on him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools will not provide the evaluation and help he needs. If they did this would never be an issue.

I've been the one-on-one para for kids with issues such as this. Giving the help can reduce the behavior, but doesn't stop it.

Agree, a good para can identify the triggers and pull the child out of the classroom or try to deescalate but cannot stop it. There is more going on with this child. I'd suspect LD's or even something as simple as hungry or doesn't feel like he can community his needs and ask for help or cannot communicate his needs and ask for help (we've had teachers where they got annoyed at the kids for asking for help or refused to help and my child really shut down in ES and just would sit there and not do the work and then they call and complain). But, even so, this is a kid who needs talked through to help him calm down and talked to afterward (plus consequences but Mom needs to be consistent).

He doesn't seem like a bad kid. He seems like a kid who needs much more and the adults around him gave up on him.

Rather than thinking the adults around him gave up on him, perhaps just getting started with him might be closer. Not every kid who needs it gets identified for PEP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is awful. What in the world were these cops thinking? How is the county council only finding about this because of this lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/courts/lawsuit-alleges-police-harassed-assaulted-5-year-old-boy/

Cops? Yeah, horrible. What about the MCPS loonies who stood by and watched this happen? Fire them. Now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is awful. What in the world were these cops thinking? How is the county council only finding about this because of this lawsuit?

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/courts/lawsuit-alleges-police-harassed-assaulted-5-year-old-boy/

Cops? Yeah, horrible. What about the MCPS loonies who stood by and watched this happen? Fire them. Now.

Aren't the two cops still employed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

But you also have the mom behaving poorly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

But you also have the mom behaving poorly.

We’re not paying her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

But you also have the mom behaving poorly.

NP-- there are no perfect victims.

Literally nothing the mom could have possibly done excuses the behavior of these paid employees of the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools will not provide the evaluation and help he needs. If they did this would never be an issue.

I've been the one-on-one para for kids with issues such as this. Giving the help can reduce the behavior, but doesn't stop it.

Agree, a good para can identify the triggers and pull the child out of the classroom or try to deescalate but cannot stop it. There is more going on with this child. I'd suspect LD's or even something as simple as hungry or doesn't feel like he can community his needs and ask for help or cannot communicate his needs and ask for help (we've had teachers where they got annoyed at the kids for asking for help or refused to help and my child really shut down in ES and just would sit there and not do the work and then they call and complain). But, even so, this is a kid who needs talked through to help him calm down and talked to afterward (plus consequences but Mom needs to be consistent).

He doesn't seem like a bad kid. He seems like a kid who needs much more and the adults around him gave up on him.

Rather than thinking the adults around him gave up on him, perhaps just getting started with him might be closer. Not every kid who needs it gets identified for PEP.

To start with him means the adults need to be interested. None were interested in finding ways to help him. Did you watch the video. This isn't a PEP issue or discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

But you also have the mom behaving poorly.

NP-- there are no perfect victims.

Literally nothing the mom could have possibly done excuses the behavior of these paid employees of the state.

She behaved equally badly and was haming it up for the cops to make her look good and the kid look bad.

The cops should be fired, the staff at MCPS should be looked at. Mom needs serious help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To start with him means the adults need to be interested. None were interested in finding ways to help him. Did you watch the video. This isn't a PEP issue or discussion.

That there weren't no IEP meeting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To start with him means the adults need to be interested. None were interested in finding ways to help him. Did you watch the video. This isn't a PEP issue or discussion.

That there weren't no IEP meeting.

They had already set up a meeting and the teacher was documenting and even video. This was not the first time he acted out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

schools are shockingly, shockingly bad at dealing with behavioral issues in ECE. despite the fact that there are very effective approaches.

I sincerely hope this mom gets access to PCIT and the child gets a private placement in a fantastic school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools will not provide the evaluation and help he needs. If they did this would never be an issue.

I've been the one-on-one para for kids with issues such as this. Giving the help can reduce the behavior, but doesn't stop it.

I’ve seen kids in our ED program completely transformed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Saw the officer's bodycam footage. The MCPS staff stood by and said and did nothing when the officer was yelling at the kid? They should have known better.

I was a bit surprised by that. I think they were frustrated and didn't know what to do but they should have put an end to the discussion or maybe brought the child out of the room or something. It made me really sad to see the little boy having to sit through all that being told how bad he was and not considering something else may go on. He didn't seem like a bad kid. Not one person took the time to help him calm down and talk to him except to yell.

I am disappointed that the officers handled this situation so poorly and abusively. Threatening a young child - a five year old - should never be acceptable. But these are law enforcement officers. What do they know about dealing with children?

But the school administration? No. These idiots should be fired immediately. They stood by and watched the abuse of a young child, only five years away from birth, and stood silent as these officers terrorized him - laughing, chatting away, like it was no. Big. Deal. These are people who SHOULD know better and who should care. They are supposedly educators who understand child development. Distrusting.

+1 The article is now on Yahoo. MCPS won't be able to cover this one up anymore. MCPS pulled something similar about a month after this incident but had to back off since the parent had a lawyer. All of this will likely come to light at trial.