Is Notre Dame screwing up?

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Anonymous wrote:I promised an update giving an idea of the outcome of last week's game. It looks very encouraging to see there was very little in the way of a uptick in cases 7 days after the game. By now we would be seeing cases...it is looking very very good for ND and it appears they may actually may make it through the entire semester DESPITE the fact that had such a spike earlier in the semester. I know some of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to see the updates...especially those who think "Notre Damed is screwing up." https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

Every 3 days, as many Americans die from COVID as died on 9/11. More than died in WW2. This is the worst public health threat the US has been hit with for the past 100 years.

What do you NOT get about that? It is stunning.

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Anonymous wrote:Hampshire college let 100 percent of students back in August with ZERO reported Covid

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/09/tests-shows-no-covid-19-cases-at-amherst-college-hampshire-college-with-five-reported-at-umass.html%3foutputType=amp

They had to show evidence of a negative Covid test and are regularly tested on campus. Like several other colleges, they have contracted with the Broad Institute for testing and Covid control. As far as I know, all the Broad Institute schools are doing well. https://www.broadinstitute.org/covid-19-testing/fall-2020-college-and-university-screening

William & Mary has under 10 cases total and everyone is back on campus. Dartmouth has had 5 cases with students back. Both are fairly close in size to ND--they have less cases total than ND has on many days in recent weeks.

What matters is that the universities that are open are able to stay open relatively safely. I think ND is doing just that.

About 8% of ND students have now gotten Covid since August.

Actually it is 5%. Nobody died.

I meant of undergrads--there it's around 7%, so likely a lot more than that. 8% is the lowest reasonable estimate. I'm not going to get into the whole issue of caring about it mattering if any students have died yet (I hope, hope hope we don't ever get into that situation). But that's a high enough rate that others off-campus likely have been impacted that aren't tracked in these numbers. Congregate settings + covid just suck--especially ones where the people then go out and mix with a larger world. Our NOVA neighborhood right now is flooded with JMU kids coming home, many of them quite sick. (And I think it's worse that they got sent home--so kudos to ND to keeping the students after the outbreak--but JMU is not a rich school and its capacity was overwhelmed). I think we should really look at what the schools that didn't let outbreaks happen and don't have a handful of cases trickling in each day are doing.

Unless an independently funded outside firm is doing the treating and public results reporting for schools, it’s hard to make great comparisons. My guess would that a lot of schools with very low numbers either have many students from low-Covid areas or are fudging the numbers.

No, they are small schools in small towns. All Kids live on campus. Kids were tested upon arrival and there is surveillance testing. Rules (about masking, social distancing, dorm visitation, travel restrictions) are being enforced. They are not fudging their numbers.

Ahh, so 1) sounds like a boring place to be, and 2) they have an easier situation to contain infection.

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Anonymous wrote:I promised an update giving an idea of the outcome of last week's game. It looks very encouraging to see there was very little in the way of a uptick in cases 7 days after the game. By now we would be seeing cases...it is looking very very good for ND and it appears they may actually may make it through the entire semester DESPITE the fact that had such a spike earlier in the semester. I know some of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to see the updates...especially those who think "Notre Damed is screwing up." https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

Every 3 days, as many Americans die from COVID as died on 9/11. More than died in WW2. This is the worst public health threat the US has been hit with for the past 100 years.

What do you NOT get about that? It is stunning.

Oh I totally get it. How many of those who are dying are college aged students?

[Anonymous]

Lest anyone get too smug: ND postponing game after multiple student athletes test positive for Covid. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/notre-dame-football-covid-spt-trnd/index.html

[Anonymous]

But their dashboard only says 1 positive test or are they messing with the numbers?


Hmmmm interesting

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I promised an update giving an idea of the outcome of last week's game. It looks very encouraging to see there was very little in the way of a uptick in cases 7 days after the game. By now we would be seeing cases...it is looking very very good for ND and it appears they may actually may make it through the entire semester DESPITE the fact that had such a spike earlier in the semester. I know some of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to see the updates...especially those who think "Notre Damed is screwing up." https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

Every 3 days, as many Americans die from COVID as died on 9/11. More than died in WW2. This is the worst public health threat the US has been hit with for the past 100 years.

What do you NOT get about that? It is stunning.

I'm really sorry but many of these are people like my Dad - older and in horrible health. Young college kids do not die from this or it is exceedingly rare. Go look at any of the moms' facebook sites and read post after post after post on the depression their kids are under attending either 1) online at home their freshmen year or 2) an online at school program. The moms are asking for help b/c their teens are depressed, unmotivated with online work and frankly suffering from a mental health crisis. We have already had a suicide near us this year. More of our young people are suffering the effects of staying indoors. A school like Notre Dame is offering them a chance to be 18, 19, 20 and 21, albeit with reasonable precautions. Good for them and to all colleges that were strong enough to open!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But their dashboard only says 1 positive test or are they messing with the numbers?


Hmmmm interesting

The football team is tested by another organization outside of the campus testing site and those numbers do not get reflected as quickly. Those numbers do eventually hit the dashboard, but it takes a few days. The numbers will be reflected on the dashboard on the day that the test results were released.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lest anyone get too smug: ND postponing game after multiple student athletes test positive for Covid. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/us/notre-dame-football-covid-spt-trnd/index.html

It was bound to happen at some point. They will get better, and football will go on. ND is not worried. They have a 0.7% positivity right not with 33 active cases.

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Anonymous wrote:But their dashboard only says 1 positive test or are they messing with the numbers?


Hmmmm interesting

The football team is tested by another organization outside of the campus testing site and those numbers do not get reflected as quickly. Those numbers do eventually hit the dashboard, but it takes a few days. The numbers will be reflected on the dashboard on the day that the test results were released.

Anyone else find it completely absurd the role of football at colleges? Clearly, these football players are in a special category of student. They aren't event treated like normal student-athletes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I promised an update giving an idea of the outcome of last week's game. It looks very encouraging to see there was very little in the way of a uptick in cases 7 days after the game. By now we would be seeing cases...it is looking very very good for ND and it appears they may actually may make it through the entire semester DESPITE the fact that had such a spike earlier in the semester. I know some of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to see the updates...especially those who think "Notre Damed is screwing up." https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

Every 3 days, as many Americans die from COVID as died on 9/11. More than died in WW2. This is the worst public health threat the US has been hit with for the past 100 years.

What do you NOT get about that? It is stunning.

I'm really sorry but many of these are people like my Dad - older and in horrible health. Young college kids do not die from this or it is exceedingly rare. Go look at any of the moms' facebook sites and read post after post after post on the depression their kids are under attending either 1) online at home their freshmen year or 2) an online at school program. The moms are asking for help b/c their teens are depressed, unmotivated with online work and frankly suffering from a mental health crisis. We have already had a suicide near us this year. More of our young people are suffering the effects of staying indoors. A school like Notre Dame is offering them a chance to be 18, 19, 20 and 21, albeit with reasonable precautions. Good for them and to all colleges that were strong enough to open!

yeah and I am so sure you’re a huge proponent of mental health care in your real life.

how is “let the old and sick people die so the young people can have fun” reflective of Notre Dame’s values?

note: I think it’s acceptable for schools to cautiously open in person, but they need to consider the broader community and equity issues (for example, if elementary schools are still closed).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But their dashboard only says 1 positive test or are they messing with the numbers?


Hmmmm interesting

The football team is tested by another organization outside of the campus testing site and those numbers do not get reflected as quickly. Those numbers do eventually hit the dashboard, but it takes a few days. The numbers will be reflected on the dashboard on the day that the test results were released.

Anyone else find it completely absurd the role of football at colleges? Clearly, these football players are in a special category of student. They aren't event treated like normal student-athletes.

they are cash cows for the university. hopefully after this all blows over, they will get a union and some serious protections.

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Anonymous wrote:But their dashboard only says 1 positive test or are they messing with the numbers?


Hmmmm interesting

The football team is tested by another organization outside of the campus testing site and those numbers do not get reflected as quickly. Those numbers do eventually hit the dashboard, but it takes a few days. The numbers will be reflected on the dashboard on the day that the test results were released.

Anyone else find it completely absurd the role of football at colleges? Clearly, these football players are in a special category of student. They aren't event treated like normal student-athletes.

they are cash cows for the university. hopefully after this all blows over, they will get a union and some serious protections.

Or maybe they should turn them into clubs. Manchester United, Barcelona etc have their own development academies. Maybe the US should have the Miami Dolphins Academy, the Green Bay Packers Academy etc

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Anonymous wrote:I promised an update giving an idea of the outcome of last week's game. It looks very encouraging to see there was very little in the way of a uptick in cases 7 days after the game. By now we would be seeing cases...it is looking very very good for ND and it appears they may actually may make it through the entire semester DESPITE the fact that had such a spike earlier in the semester. I know some of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to see the updates...especially those who think "Notre Damed is screwing up." https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

Every 3 days, as many Americans die from COVID as died on 9/11. More than died in WW2. This is the worst public health threat the US has been hit with for the past 100 years.

What do you NOT get about that? It is stunning.

I'm really sorry but many of these are people like my Dad - older and in horrible health. Young college kids do not die from this or it is exceedingly rare. Go look at any of the moms' facebook sites and read post after post after post on the depression their kids are under attending either 1) online at home their freshmen year or 2) an online at school program. The moms are asking for help b/c their teens are depressed, unmotivated with online work and frankly suffering from a mental health crisis. We have already had a suicide near us this year. More of our young people are suffering the effects of staying indoors. A school like Notre Dame is offering them a chance to be 18, 19, 20 and 21, albeit with reasonable precautions. Good for them and to all colleges that were strong enough to open!

yeah and I am so sure you’re a huge proponent of mental health care in your real life.

how is “let the old and sick people die so the young people can have fun” reflective of Notre Dame’s values?

note: I think it’s acceptable for schools to cautiously open in person, but they need to consider the broader community and equity issues (for example, if elementary schools are still closed).

They are cautiously open. They closed down for 2 weeks to get the cases under control and have been successful. Case positivity rate currently 0.7%. Current active cases 33. Successfully flattened the curve. What more do you want?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But their dashboard only says 1 positive test or are they messing with the numbers?


Hmmmm interesting

The football team is tested by another organization outside of the campus testing site and those numbers do not get reflected as quickly. Those numbers do eventually hit the dashboard, but it takes a few days. The numbers will be reflected on the dashboard on the day that the test results were released.

Anyone else find it completely absurd the role of football at colleges? Clearly, these football players are in a special category of student. They aren't event treated like normal student-athletes.

It is fine. They can afford it because football brings in lots of money for the school. They are being extremely cautious about it. Don't worry your little head about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I promised an update giving an idea of the outcome of last week's game. It looks very encouraging to see there was very little in the way of a uptick in cases 7 days after the game. By now we would be seeing cases...it is looking very very good for ND and it appears they may actually may make it through the entire semester DESPITE the fact that had such a spike earlier in the semester. I know some of you are on the edge of your seats waiting to see the updates...especially those who think "Notre Damed is screwing up." https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

Every 3 days, as many Americans die from COVID as died on 9/11. More than died in WW2. This is the worst public health threat the US has been hit with for the past 100 years.

What do you NOT get about that? It is stunning.

I'm really sorry but many of these are people like my Dad - older and in horrible health. Young college kids do not die from this or it is exceedingly rare. Go look at any of the moms' facebook sites and read post after post after post on the depression their kids are under attending either 1) online at home their freshmen year or 2) an online at school program. The moms are asking for help b/c their teens are depressed, unmotivated with online work and frankly suffering from a mental health crisis. We have already had a suicide near us this year. More of our young people are suffering the effects of staying indoors. A school like Notre Dame is offering them a chance to be 18, 19, 20 and 21, albeit with reasonable precautions. Good for them and to all colleges that were strong enough to open!

yeah and I am so sure you’re a huge proponent of mental health care in your real life.

how is “let the old and sick people die so the young people can have fun” reflective of Notre Dame’s values?

note: I think it’s acceptable for schools to cautiously open in person, but they need to consider the broader community and equity issues (for example, if elementary schools are still closed).

They are cautiously open. They closed down for 2 weeks to get the cases under control and have been successful. Case positivity rate currently 0.7%. Current active cases 33. Successfully flattened the curve. What more do you want?

like I said, cautious opening and monitoring is good. what’s frankly pretty gross and evil is you claiming that certain lives matter less than kids having fun, and pretending like you care about mental health (because I am pretty sure you would not be in favor of universal mental health coverage.)