BRYC Girls TD Larry Best leaving for Washington Spirit

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a good example from WS-VA's U16/U17 team just a few months ago. Look at about the 1:15 mark, when the goalie picks up the ball. She ends up punting it, but it's not because playing out of the back wasn't a good option. They don't even try. In that situation, when the GK picks up the ball, a possession-based team is trained to immediately get into shape to try and play out - the CB's drop off and get wide of the box, the FB's push a little higher and get wide to the line and open up, and the MF's look to get free and make themselves available as options. The WS players do none of that. This is not a team that is trained to play out of the back, and a team that is not trained to play out of the back is not a possession based team.

https://youtu.be/bmN8rgWl8-Y

I think if you really watch that video, you will find some of the players play possession and some don't. But to be fair to that team, that was an earlier game with a brand new group of girls. I saw them recently, and while the goalie still plays possession only 1/4th or less of the time, the team itself has periods of possession and periods of direct play. Some of the players are more talented and technical. They generally look for a possession play. Others have less skill and maybe a weaker background. Those are the long ball hitters.

so to see the development, you have to see a more recent game to see the impact of Hales on the team.

Individual player decision-making is one thing. I get it. Even when coaches are trying to teach a possession style, some players will apply it and some won't, to different degrees. But I think you miss the point.

It is the off the ball movement of the entire team, as well as the decision-making of individuals, that indicates how they are being coached.

Here's a U13 boys team from October of last year. This is what it looks like when a team is trying to learn to play a possession style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFKkzoYZTM. They'd been playing 11v11 for less than 2 months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a good example from WS-VA's U16/U17 team just a few months ago. Look at about the 1:15 mark, when the goalie picks up the ball. She ends up punting it, but it's not because playing out of the back wasn't a good option. They don't even try. In that situation, when the GK picks up the ball, a possession-based team is trained to immediately get into shape to try and play out - the CB's drop off and get wide of the box, the FB's push a little higher and get wide to the line and open up, and the MF's look to get free and make themselves available as options. The WS players do none of that. This is not a team that is trained to play out of the back, and a team that is not trained to play out of the back is not a possession based team.

https://youtu.be/bmN8rgWl8-Y

I think if you really watch that video, you will find some of the players play possession and some don't. But to be fair to that team, that was an earlier game with a brand new group of girls. I saw them recently, and while the goalie still plays possession only 1/4th or less of the time, the team itself has periods of possession and periods of direct play. Some of the players are more talented and technical. They generally look for a possession play. Others have less skill and maybe a weaker background. Those are the long ball hitters.

so to see the development, you have to see a more recent game to see the impact of Hales on the team.

Individual player decision-making is one thing. I get it. Even when coaches are trying to teach a possession style, some players will apply it and some won't, to different degrees. But I think you miss the point.

It is the off the ball movement of the entire team, as well as the decision-making of individuals, that indicates how they are being coached.

Here's a U13 boys team from October of last year. This is what it looks like when a team is trying to learn to play a possession style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFKkzoYZTM. They'd been playing 11v11 for less than 2 months.

Just so we've got this straight, in order to prove that DA teams do not in fact play possession you chose a video of a DA game that demonstrates how proper possession play looks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a good example from WS-VA's U16/U17 team just a few months ago. Look at about the 1:15 mark, when the goalie picks up the ball. She ends up punting it, but it's not because playing out of the back wasn't a good option. They don't even try. In that situation, when the GK picks up the ball, a possession-based team is trained to immediately get into shape to try and play out - the CB's drop off and get wide of the box, the FB's push a little higher and get wide to the line and open up, and the MF's look to get free and make themselves available as options. The WS players do none of that. This is not a team that is trained to play out of the back, and a team that is not trained to play out of the back is not a possession based team.

https://youtu.be/bmN8rgWl8-Y

I think if you really watch that video, you will find some of the players play possession and some don't. But to be fair to that team, that was an earlier game with a brand new group of girls. I saw them recently, and while the goalie still plays possession only 1/4th or less of the time, the team itself has periods of possession and periods of direct play. Some of the players are more talented and technical. They generally look for a possession play. Others have less skill and maybe a weaker background. Those are the long ball hitters.

so to see the development, you have to see a more recent game to see the impact of Hales on the team.

Individual player decision-making is one thing. I get it. Even when coaches are trying to teach a possession style, some players will apply it and some won't, to different degrees. But I think you miss the point.

It is the off the ball movement of the entire team, as well as the decision-making of individuals, that indicates how they are being coached.

Here's a U13 boys team from October of last year. This is what it looks like when a team is trying to learn to play a possession style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFKkzoYZTM. They'd been playing 11v11 for less than 2 months.

Just so we've got this straight, in order to prove that DA teams do not in fact play possession you chose a video of a DA game that demonstrates how proper possession play looks?

I never said DA teams do not play possession. I just question whether WS-VA teams are coached to play possession, and I think a lot of people don't really even understand what that means or looks like.

If someone has a video that they think shows differently as far as Spirit, please post it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a good example from WS-VA's U16/U17 team just a few months ago. Look at about the 1:15 mark, when the goalie picks up the ball. She ends up punting it, but it's not because playing out of the back wasn't a good option. They don't even try. In that situation, when the GK picks up the ball, a possession-based team is trained to immediately get into shape to try and play out - the CB's drop off and get wide of the box, the FB's push a little higher and get wide to the line and open up, and the MF's look to get free and make themselves available as options. The WS players do none of that. This is not a team that is trained to play out of the back, and a team that is not trained to play out of the back is not a possession based team.

https://youtu.be/bmN8rgWl8-Y

I think if you really watch that video, you will find some of the players play possession and some don't. But to be fair to that team, that was an earlier game with a brand new group of girls. I saw them recently, and while the goalie still plays possession only 1/4th or less of the time, the team itself has periods of possession and periods of direct play. Some of the players are more talented and technical. They generally look for a possession play. Others have less skill and maybe a weaker background. Those are the long ball hitters.

so to see the development, you have to see a more recent game to see the impact of Hales on the team.

Individual player decision-making is one thing. I get it. Even when coaches are trying to teach a possession style, some players will apply it and some won't, to different degrees. But I think you miss the point.

It is the off the ball movement of the entire team, as well as the decision-making of individuals, that indicates how they are being coached.

Here's a U13 boys team from October of last year. This is what it looks like when a team is trying to learn to play a possession style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URFKkzoYZTM. They'd been playing 11v11 for less than 2 months.

Just so we've got this straight, in order to prove that DA teams do not in fact play possession you chose a video of a DA game that demonstrates how proper possession play looks?

I never said DA teams do not play possession. I just question whether WS-VA teams are coached to play possession, and I think a lot of people don't really even understand what that means or looks like.

If someone has a video that they think shows differently as far as Spirit, please post it.

The initial crack that started the possession debate was the following exchange:

Anonymous wrote:
Spirit VA U15s played Arlington U15s to a 0-0 draw today in Arlington. It was an excellent, well-matched, well-played game with both teams leaning on possession soccer. That Spirit team is no where near as bad as they've been painted in these threads.


Arlington playing possession? Lol.

Other that the assertion that Arlington does not play possession the actual debate has been a more general one regarding possession and the DA. And nobody claimed Spirit played possession, the assertions was that Arlington does not play possession.

But thanks for moving the goal posts.

[Anonymous]

I have not seen any local teams above the age of 15 play possession soccer on the girls side

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a good example from WS-VA's U16/U17 team just a few months ago. Look at about the 1:15 mark, when the goalie picks up the ball. She ends up punting it, but it's not because playing out of the back wasn't a good option. They don't even try. In that situation, when the GK picks up the ball, a possession-based team is trained to immediately get into shape to try and play out - the CB's drop off and get wide of the box, the FB's push a little higher and get wide to the line and open up, and the MF's look to get free and make themselves available as options. The WS players do none of that. This is not a team that is trained to play out of the back, and a team that is not trained to play out of the back is not a possession based team.

https://youtu.be/bmN8rgWl8-Y

That's a single case. If you actually attend WS-VA games you may see the same team get into position and the keeper rolls it out. We are on a younger team and more often the balls rolls out to feet than is punted. The keeper will punt when the other team is in a high press and vulnerable over the top. This is a decision. I can say with certainty that I've seen coaching to shape and play from the back because I've seen/heard the guidance from the sideline.

I'm not sure why you keep insisting the younger teams are so much better, but neither their record nor even watching them suggests they show some paradigm shift of high level play from any of the other teams. The exception may be the 05 team, because it is loaded with 05 McLean girls who already played that way.

All that being said, to show a Spirit coaching direction, the key is to look at a game from the spring and compare it to a game from the fall - not in results, but in style of play.

Actually, why don't you just show up to the practices and games to see what's being taught. Results are meaningless....and in fact, I'd expect girls learning to play possession to lose against very athletic teams who can play direct.

You are simply picking on Spirit for results, as you have all along, when you know as well as anyone here that this is mainly the result of the lack of pipeline in VA prior to GFR.

Nothing more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a good example from WS-VA's U16/U17 team just a few months ago. Look at about the 1:15 mark, when the goalie picks up the ball. She ends up punting it, but it's not because playing out of the back wasn't a good option. They don't even try. In that situation, when the GK picks up the ball, a possession-based team is trained to immediately get into shape to try and play out - the CB's drop off and get wide of the box, the FB's push a little higher and get wide to the line and open up, and the MF's look to get free and make themselves available as options. The WS players do none of that. This is not a team that is trained to play out of the back, and a team that is not trained to play out of the back is not a possession based team.

https://youtu.be/bmN8rgWl8-Y

That's a single case. If you actually attend WS-VA games you may see the same team get into position and the keeper rolls it out. We are on a younger team and more often the balls rolls out to feet than is punted. The keeper will punt when the other team is in a high press and vulnerable over the top. This is a decision. I can say with certainty that I've seen coaching to shape and play from the back because I've seen/heard the guidance from the sideline.

I'm not sure why you keep insisting the younger teams are so much better, but neither their record nor even watching them suggests they show some paradigm shift of high level play from any of the other teams. The exception may be the 05 team, because it is loaded with 05 McLean girls who already played that way.

All that being said, to show a Spirit coaching direction, the key is to look at a game from the spring and compare it to a game from the fall - not in results, but in style of play.

Actually, why don't you just show up to the practices and games to see what's being taught. Results are meaningless....and in fact, I'd expect girls learning to play possession to lose against very athletic teams who can play direct.

You are simply picking on Spirit for results, as you have all along, when you know as well as anyone here that this is mainly the result of the lack of pipeline in VA prior to GFR.

Nothing more.

You may be confusing posters. The point was that the older teams are being taught the same thing as the younger teams, and the older teams play the same tactically as the younger teams.

I do acknowledge the 05 team as having more net talent, but above and below are mixed bags of players with varying talent levels.

I'm actually asserting that since these teams - all except the 19s - have had major player changes, any game from early fall will show what players knew when they started. To be fair to the Spirit program, you have to look at what changes in style and level of play appear over the course of the year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not this discussion is on topic in any way, but the distinctions being made are too simplistic. An earlier poster pointed out that a team can be possession oriented and still make direct plays when tactically beneficial to create a scoring chance, or to avoid problems defensively. Sure, a keeper who punts every ball and a defense that clears every ball does not have an orientation to possession ball. That stated, this is not what I’ve seen in any GDA game. What you may find, particularly in the older age groups of some clubs, is that players skew toward more direct play, because that was how they were trained in previous environments. I’ve found that the younger kids in most cases have been better trained to be possession focused. This varies between clubs, obviously. But, the main point is that teams do not need to exclusively play a tiki taka style possession game to have a possession focus.

Every single team in the younger ages? No way, not a chance. Some teams, sure. Not even the boys' DA has that perfect a level of compliance, and the girls ECNL never did.

Reading comprehension....the word "most" was used. Of the DA teams I have personally witnessed, WS-VA included, the youngest age groups did tend to possession style ball, not kick and run.

I guess "any GDA game" means different things to different people. That's incorrect as well, but if someone can't recognize the difference, then they can't be considered credible anyways.

Again, reading comprehension issue. The statement was "not what I've seen in any GDA game" in response to "Sure, a keeper who punts every ball and a defense that clears every ball does not have an orientation to possession ball."

I personally haven't seen that, so the argument stands. Also, sorry, you aren't the only one in the area who can recognize possession soccer. Based on your statements here, you are a very polar thinker, seemingly incapable of any analytical nuance.

Put the agenda down and step away already. Why does it really matter anyway, when most likely WS will close up shop and you can find someone else to pick on, which I'm certain you will do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not seen any local teams above the age of 15 play possession soccer on the girls side

The Oracle of Possession Soccer has spoken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not seen any local teams above the age of 15 play possession soccer on the girls side

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what Larry Best did with the BRYC program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not seen any local teams above the age of 15 play possession soccer on the girls side

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what Larry Best did with the BRYC program.

I love it; bringing the thread full circle. The moderator for the site should now lock this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not seen any local teams above the age of 15 play possession soccer on the girls side

You obviously haven't been paying attention to what Larry Best did with the BRYC program.

Larry Best had very little to do with the u15-19 at BRYC this year. My daughter is on the 17s and Larry did not coach one training session, didn't see him coach the u16 or u19 team either. The u16 team plays great possession soccer. It is fantastic to watch

[Anonymous]

This is BRYC 03 ECNL. Really awesome possession style soccer

https://twitter.com/coach_mikey/status/980998510974730241?s=21

https://twitter.com/coach_mikey/status/1086793414304301056?s=21

Copied from the coaches twitter page

[Anonymous]

Have BRYC started tryouts?

Watching those I am wondering what I have been spending thousands of dollars on...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have BRYC started tryouts?

Watching those I am wondering what I have been spending thousands of dollars on...

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