Handmaid's Tale Season 2

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Anonymous wrote:June isn't going back to the Waterfords. She's going to find a place to hold up for a while right in Boston while everyone looks for her further away (because why would she stay instead of run) and try to figure out a plan for getting Hannah.

I agree with this. I think shes going underground to go get Hannah back.

When does the next season start?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a stupid episode. Good job, fool. Now neither of your kids has a mother. This series totally jumped the shark. In real life she wouldn't be able to go back to the commander's home;she'd be hung along with Nick. She also couldn't magically transport herself about town as a handmaid and save her other daughter. I hope the next season is true to life and shows the execution of June, Nick, the Marthas, and Serena. With an epilogue that Hannah never saw her mother again, and Nichole was captured because she started shrieking because she was hungry and had no milk. The end.

I’m glad you’re not the writer. That would be a horrible ending. Wtf

[Anonymous]

I think edens execution had a big role to play in why June felt like she couldn’t leave Hannah. Remember they are marrying girls off as young as 13 or 14. Plus actually seeing her was probably a big part of it. I wonder if that was part o of waterford’s Plan—that June would be less likely to try to escape Gilead if she was reminded of her daughter still there. Plus it’s paper of an implicit threat—we know where your daughter is. Frankly, it’s not at all clear that Hannah would be safe once June escaped—I think the most likely result is that she’d be publicly executed as a warning to other handmaids. Remember that handmaids are by definition already mothers, so they almost all have a child somewhere out there that has been taken from them. I would think that would be a very powerful reminder to handmaids that they do still have something to lose. I think June’s only play is to get Hannah now, before anyone realizes she’s gone. I wish she’d gotten an econowife or Martha outfit instead of that stupid red thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it hard to believe that June was unwilling to abandon Hannah (living in a safe, stable situation with a nanny who cared about her) but was totally willing to abandon her newborn nursling to a dangerous border crossing and no food whatsoever. Hormones alone dictate that would not happen.

Hannah isn't safe, she lives in a country that will cut off her finger for reading the Bible and drown her for falling in love. That forces women into sexual servitude. That condones beating your wife because she didn't submit to your will. June does not view Hannah becoming another Serena as a "safe, stable situation." If Emily and Nicole make it to Canada, Nicole will be safe from that life, and June being with them probably doesn't increase the odds of that happening (if anything, the more people traveling together the more it might increase the risk of them getting caught).

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Can we talk for a minute about what Lawrence’s back story is, and how an annie Lennox-listening, modern art-loving cool guy like that became wrapped up in this mess?

Here’s what I’m picturing. He’s like a Econ professor at Harvard or MIT. He’s got a crazy friend who was like his best friend from HS or freshman year college roommate that’s part of Sons of Jacob. He’s like that friend you have who you roll your eyes about because he’s a far-out libertarian, or communist, or prepper, but you give him a pass because you’ve been friends forever. He does some stuff for sons of Jacob as a lark because he thinks it’s an interesting thought experiment about how a new economy would function. Then there’s the coup and demonstrators shot in the street and he thinks “Holy Moses, this is some bad s—-t.” But at that point he thinks that maybe the only chance to get things back on track is to help establish a functioning economy. And that if they can get the economy working again, people will stop looking for a scapegoat and killing each other. (Reference studies about how economics collapse of Germany in the 1920s contributed to rise of fascism.). Five years in, he’s thinking that this was a bad call and he’s not sure what his play is.

As for his wife, I’m imagining she was a nice feminist, maybe an art history professor who was a little wacky to start with, but whose entire family was killed in the demonstrations or as intellectuals, and she’s now hanging on by a thread with him protecting her.

I guess since Lydia was unconscious after the attack (?), he could say that by the time he got there, the handmaid was gone, and it was a brand new handmaid and thanks a lot for giving him such a crazy one. But if Lydia saw anything, he’s got a much bigger problem. I guess there’s some possible twist where he and Lydia have some connection, like she’s his wife’s sister, that would make Lydia want to protect him regardless. Is it clear that Lydia is the one that makes decisions about where handmaids are placed? Maybe there’s a reason she put her there—wacky handmaid, wacky house.

Can we also pause and say what an awful position someone like Lawrence is in with his handmaids. If he never does the ceremony with them, they won’t get pregnant and will get sent to the colonies. I guess he could still ask and give them the option. But just saying he won’t do it is substantially increasing the odds that they’ll be sent to the colonies. This must be at least his third handmaid and no kids in the house so apparently none of them got pregnant.

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I don't think Nick is in danger. I mean I think that he has a legitimate reason to have kept the commander in the house. I think he can say that he would go out and search for her. He is an eye there to spy on the commander so he already has favor. It isn't like the commander can say that Nick is the father of his kid so he had motivation.

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Nick basically threatened Waterford with his gun. He is no longer safe living in that house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:June isn't going back to the Waterfords. She's going to find a place to hold up for a while right in Boston while everyone looks for her further away (because why would she stay instead of run) and try to figure out a plan for getting Hannah.

I agree with this. I think shes going underground to go get Hannah back.

When does the next season start?

They haven't announced a release date, but if they stick with the current annual schedule it would start April 2019.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nick basically threatened Waterford with his gun. He is no longer safe living in that house.

+1. And the Commander who favored Nick died in the Red Center explosion so Nick isn't necessarily protected anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nick basically threatened Waterford with his gun. He is no longer safe living in that house.

But the question remains what is the balance of power between Nick and Waterford? Waterford was just humiliated in front of his colleagues by his wife. Nick, as someone mentioned earlier, is an eye and is tasked with spying on Waterford. Basically, it comes down to who has the better allies up the chain of command. If it's Nick, then the powers that be could easily explain away his actions by saying that Nick was just looking out for the Commander's best interests.

[Anonymous]

I still think Nick is an eye. He just has to implicated the commander in something. I don't think Nick is just going to be executed. But I love him so maybe that is why lol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we talk for a minute about what Lawrence’s back story is, and how an annie Lennox-listening, modern art-loving cool guy like that became wrapped up in this mess?

Here’s what I’m picturing. He’s like a Econ professor at Harvard or MIT. He’s got a crazy friend who was like his best friend from HS or freshman year college roommate that’s part of Sons of Jacob. He’s like that friend you have who you roll your eyes about because he’s a far-out libertarian, or communist, or prepper, but you give him a pass because you’ve been friends forever. He does some stuff for sons of Jacob as a lark because he thinks it’s an interesting thought experiment about how a new economy would function. Then there’s the coup and demonstrators shot in the street and he thinks “Holy Moses, this is some bad s—-t.” But at that point he thinks that maybe the only chance to get things back on track is to help establish a functioning economy. And that if they can get the economy working again, people will stop looking for a scapegoat and killing each other. (Reference studies about how economics collapse of Germany in the 1920s contributed to rise of fascism.). Five years in, he’s thinking that this was a bad call and he’s not sure what his play is.

As for his wife, I’m imagining she was a nice feminist, maybe an art history professor who was a little wacky to start with, but whose entire family was killed in the demonstrations or as intellectuals, and she’s now hanging on by a thread with him protecting her.

I guess since Lydia was unconscious after the attack (?), he could say that by the time he got there, the handmaid was gone, and it was a brand new handmaid and thanks a lot for giving him such a crazy one. But if Lydia saw anything, he’s got a much bigger problem. I guess there’s some possible twist where he and Lydia have some connection, like she’s his wife’s sister, that would make Lydia want to protect him regardless. Is it clear that Lydia is the one that makes decisions about where handmaids are placed? Maybe there’s a reason she put her there—wacky handmaid, wacky house.

Can we also pause and say what an awful position someone like Lawrence is in with his handmaids. If he never does the ceremony with them, they won’t get pregnant and will get sent to the colonies. I guess he could still ask and give them the option. But just saying he won’t do it is substantially increasing the odds that they’ll be sent to the colonies. This must be at least his third handmaid and no kids in the house so apparently none of them got pregnant.

Lawrence may have been selective about who he took in as a handmaid for this reason. For instance, in the book, a handmaid who had born a child to a Gilead family wouldn't be sent to the colonies for failing to produce additional children, so one who'd already had a baby for another family would be a "safe" handmaid for Lawrence to take in, knowing that her not getting pregnant for them wouldn't send her to the colonies. In Emily's case, Lawrence may have chosen her because he'd been told her background, knew no one else would take her and she'd be sent back to the colonies, and figured at least in his house she'd have a couple more years' reprieve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still think Nick is an eye. He just has to implicated the commander in something. I don't think Nick is just going to be executed. But I love him so maybe that is why lol.

Yeah, if they get rid of Nick I think the show would lose 3/4 of its audience I'm definitely team Nick.

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I also think that Nick may be able to be safe at the Waterfords. Fred may not trust him anymore, but Fred may be able to play it off as not hearing the threat from Nick to save face about his entire household turning against him. He was concerned about how it looked when June attempted to escape and then when Eden ran off, he wouldn't want to appear weak by letting it be known that his driver turned on him as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else just relieved this is going to be over regardless of what happens tomorrow? I'm tired of feeling like crap after each episode and then having to wait a week for nothing good to happen and then feeling like crap again. IF I watch the next season I think I'm just going to wait for all the episodes to come out and binge watch them together. Then at least I would just get it over with and I wouldn't have to wait and see what happens.

I barely watched this season. Way too much violence and hopelessness. I just read recaps after the episode comes out to keep up.

The story isn't moving along anymore and nothing is really actually happening bc they are so stuck with making everything more violent and dark.

Just move on to a resolution already and end the series instead of dragging it down - June makes it to Canada or Gilead gets toppled

Exactly this show could have been amazing if it had been a mini-series.

I can't imagine what they will do with a season 3.

What they SHOULD have done with a season 3:

June is in Canada with Nichole, Nick escapes to Canada or stays there and works on toppling Gilead. Her sending her baby and staying behind... WTF. They could have also built season 3 on working to topple Gilead and reuniting Hannah with them. When I saw June closing the door and staying behind, I just thought, dammit, they are just trying to draw this series out to make money, and it's going to suck.