Taylor Meeting at Wootton

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Wait, people from the wealthiest neighborhoods have better outcomes? Omg, really? Do you have any other insights you can share with us? We all need to learn from you. s/

So money makes the difference? Hardly.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Maybe it’s having parents as role models and involved in their kids’ education? Plenty of government employees with successful kids. Or don’t they count?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Wait, people from the wealthiest neighborhoods have better outcomes? Omg, really? Do you have any other insights you can share with us? We all need to learn from you. s/

So money makes the difference? Hardly.

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. Maybe it’s having parents as role models and involved in their kids’ education? Plenty of government employees with successful kids. Or don’t they count?

You are so close but not quite there yet

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Agree and also, if we are being honest, many of those “early leads” came from family connections not what they were taught at a school that began with the letter W.

This is a factor, but without the drive to succeed nurtured at “W” schools, those connections are worthless. You need grades AND connections in today’s global economy. Without grades, you don’t have a chance.

This is about the totality of how a kid is raised and in what environment. The actual school has little to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Agree and also, if we are being honest, many of those “early leads” came from family connections not what they were taught at a school that began with the letter W.

This is a factor, but without the drive to succeed nurtured at “W” schools, those connections are worthless. You need grades AND connections in today’s global economy. Without grades, you don’t have a chance.

This is about the totality of how a kid is raised and in what environment. The actual school has little to do with it.

So rich parents can lead to indolent kids? I thought money made all the difference according to the “W” school hater above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Agree and also, if we are being honest, many of those “early leads” came from family connections not what they were taught at a school that began with the letter W.

This is a factor, but without the drive to succeed nurtured at “W” schools, those connections are worthless. You need grades AND connections in today’s global economy. Without grades, you don’t have a chance.

This is about the totality of how a kid is raised and in what environment. The actual school has little to do with it.

So rich parents can lead to indolent kids? I thought money made all the difference according to the “W” school hater above.

PP here. People with wealthy areas have better outcomes. That is just fact. I'm not sure I understand your issue/question.

The feeder for Wootton is in fact a wealthy area. So kids from there have better outcomes, and the physical school has little to do with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Agree and also, if we are being honest, many of those “early leads” came from family connections not what they were taught at a school that began with the letter W.

This is a factor, but without the drive to succeed nurtured at “W” schools, those connections are worthless. You need grades AND connections in today’s global economy. Without grades, you don’t have a chance.

This is about the totality of how a kid is raised and in what environment. The actual school has little to do with it.

So rich parents can lead to indolent kids? I thought money made all the difference according to the “W” school hater above.

PP here. People with wealthy areas have better outcomes. That is just fact. I'm not sure I understand your issue/question.

The feeder for Wootton is in fact a wealthy area. So kids from there have better outcomes, and the physical school has little to do with it.

No matter how many people tell you, you still do not account for the environment. Wealth does not make good outcomes materialize out of thin air. Middle class people without wealth can thrive in current Wootton because of the standards and culture of the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Agree and also, if we are being honest, many of those “early leads” came from family connections not what they were taught at a school that began with the letter W.

This is a factor, but without the drive to succeed nurtured at “W” schools, those connections are worthless. You need grades AND connections in today’s global economy. Without grades, you don’t have a chance.

This is about the totality of how a kid is raised and in what environment. The actual school has little to do with it.

So rich parents can lead to indolent kids? I thought money made all the difference according to the “W” school hater above.

PP here. People with wealthy areas have better outcomes. That is just fact. I'm not sure I understand your issue/question.

The feeder for Wootton is in fact a wealthy area. So kids from there have better outcomes, and the physical school has little to do with it.

No matter how many people tell you, you still do not account for the environment. Wealth does not make good outcomes materialize out of thin air. Middle class people without wealth can thrive in current Wootton because of the standards and culture of the community.

Ok. Keep following that thought. What is going to change when Wootton moves to Crown? Will all of the middle class families disappear? Or will it be sliiiiiightly more integrated than before, with the same teachers and peers but a new building?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know Wootton graduates from the heyday of Wootton in the late 90s and early aughts. Lots of them aren’t super successful. Lots of them are super successful. I know wooton dropouts from the heyday. I know those that overdosed and died after graduating. I know some of had babies in their teens. All this to say - going to “super academic rigor” high schools doesn’t equal success for your kids. I know more successful people from Gaithersburg, Watkins mill, BALTIMORE CITY. Your kids will be OKAY. Just love them and support them. That’s the most important thing for your kids.

I'm from Gaithersburg and met a lot of people who went to W schools when I went to college. This anecdote sounds dumb at face value, because it is. Kids from W schools were way more effective out of the gate and, on average, had better outcomes (great jobs out of school, med school, etc) than average. This is obvious to anyone who is honest with themselves.

We're not talking about guarantees, we're talking about probability and uncertainty. Having a rigorous environment where expectations are high sets you up for success. It's not the whole story, but it's part of it. The smart thing to do would be to expand this mindset to other clusters over time and curate excellence, but we're going in the other direction, because MCPS does not have the courage to hold itself accountable to teach children effectively. It's too hard.

Agree and also, if we are being honest, many of those “early leads” came from family connections not what they were taught at a school that began with the letter W.

This is a factor, but without the drive to succeed nurtured at “W” schools, those connections are worthless. You need grades AND connections in today’s global economy. Without grades, you don’t have a chance.

This is about the totality of how a kid is raised and in what environment. The actual school has little to do with it.

So rich parents can lead to indolent kids? I thought money made all the difference according to the “W” school hater above.

PP here. People with wealthy areas have better outcomes. That is just fact. I'm not sure I understand your issue/question.

The feeder for Wootton is in fact a wealthy area. So kids from there have better outcomes, and the physical school has little to do with it.

No matter how many people tell you, you still do not account for the environment. Wealth does not make good outcomes materialize out of thin air. Middle class people without wealth can thrive in current Wootton because of the standards and culture of the community.

I think you may be arguing with the wrong person here. I said "people from wealthy areas" not wealthy people. I think we are agreeing?
But my point is that it is the area itself broadly speaking, not the school.

[Anonymous]

What platform? What languages? Is the translation certified as accurate? Does it comply with federal law?

I want to double back to this post because it illustrates something really important about the debate:

1) Many folks discussing this issue are either coming from outside MCPS or have not paid a single second of attention to politics at any level before two months ago;

2) Because of that ignorance, they seem to have a high level of faith in the Donald J. Trump Department of Justice is going to save them from a boundary revision;

3) This is the same presidential administration that advanced an Executive Order to rescind any directives that would make government services accessible to folks with limited English;

4) I would almost feel badly for them, because they are clearly so clueless about how MCPS works, how local/state politics work, and whether a white supremacist federal government sees them as worth advocating for. But I don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What platform? What languages? Is the translation certified as accurate? Does it comply with federal law?

I want to double back to this post because it illustrates something really important about the debate:

1) Many folks discussing this issue are either coming from outside MCPS or have not paid a single second of attention to politics at any level before two months ago;

2) Because of that ignorance, they seem to have a high level of faith in the Donald J. Trump Department of Justice is going to save them from a boundary revision;

3) This is the same presidential administration that advanced an Executive Order to rescind any directives that would make government services accessible to folks with limited English;

4) I would almost feel badly for them, because they are clearly so clueless about how MCPS works, how local/state politics work, and whether a white supremacist federal government sees them as worth advocating for. But I don't.

No worries. The State Board of Education is having no trouble smacking down Taylor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What platform? What languages? Is the translation certified as accurate? Does it comply with federal law?

I want to double back to this post because it illustrates something really important about the debate:

1) Many folks discussing this issue are either coming from outside MCPS or have not paid a single second of attention to politics at any level before two months ago;

2) Because of that ignorance, they seem to have a high level of faith in the Donald J. Trump Department of Justice is going to save them from a boundary revision;

3) This is the same presidential administration that advanced an Executive Order to rescind any directives that would make government services accessible to folks with limited English;

4) I would almost feel badly for them, because they are clearly so clueless about how MCPS works, how local/state politics work, and whether a white supremacist federal government sees them as worth advocating for. But I don't.

No worries. The State Board of Education is having no trouble smacking down Taylor.

Neither does the Supreme Court. Taylor’s problem is that it appears that he allows his ego, or those of his political masters, control how MCPS acts, rather than what’s in the best interest of students and their families. In the Mahmoud case, which I’m not going to rehash here, Taylor had an easy, low cost way to resolve that case. Instead, he chose to fight all the way to the Supreme Court. Likewise, Taylor could have rescinded the EV bus contract and reissued it in a less questionable way that still achieved the desired outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

What platform? What languages? Is the translation certified as accurate? Does it comply with federal law?

I want to double back to this post because it illustrates something really important about the debate:

1) Many folks discussing this issue are either coming from outside MCPS or have not paid a single second of attention to politics at any level before two months ago;

2) Because of that ignorance, they seem to have a high level of faith in the Donald J. Trump Department of Justice is going to save them from a boundary revision;

3) This is the same presidential administration that advanced an Executive Order to rescind any directives that would make government services accessible to folks with limited English;

4) I would almost feel badly for them, because they are clearly so clueless about how MCPS works, how local/state politics work, and whether a white supremacist federal government sees them as worth advocating for. But I don't.

You sound rather biased. Nobody is really saying what you regurgitated. Rather, there is a desire to let the courts sort out this situation. You seem to think that local politicians and MCPS are acting appropriately. Some do not think they are, hence the threat to sue.

[Anonymous]

Vote is tomorrow. Should we be expecting wootton press release on lawsuit that evening or Friday morning?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vote is tomorrow. Should we be expecting wootton press release on lawsuit that evening or Friday morning?

Does it matter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vote is tomorrow. Should we be expecting wootton press release on lawsuit that evening or Friday morning?

Eagerly awaiting! Come on with it! Maybe sneak peek here on DCUM for the 7 of us posting? Pleaaaase!