DC United Academy - aa strong academy or not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Got some questions since it seems like a few people are in the know.

Where do DCU kids hold their IDP or classroom setting trainings? Game reviews, scouting, etc?

Where do they go for rehab if they don't have a facility?

Do they have access to all the medical professionals the 1st team has? Doctors, physical therapists, chiropractors, sports therapists, psychologists, etc?

Private high schools have better services and facilities for their student athletes is what I’ve heard from former DCUA families.

[Anonymous]

Some of us are former season ticket holders who stopped going to games because upper management refuses to invest properly in player development like a serious club would.

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Anonymous wrote:And keep believing DCU is a good place to be. This post is gold for anyone who wants to know whether DCU is actually a good academy or not.

99.9% of the people commenting and reading this thread have nothing to do with dcua.
Recently, currently or in the future.

Again with the assumptions. How exactly do you know all these anonymous people?

Logical.
It is not improbable, it is Impossible that all the people commenting on this post have had kids who played at DC recently or are playing there now or will in the near future.
It's about numbers.

Also, you can tell the comments are all from hearsay and 3rd hand information.
In addition, the people serious enough about their kids development at that level are too focused on that for this nonsense.

Add to that, if your kid is having such a terrible time at dcua, this sure ain't the place to make things better and the parents of the top tier kids in the area know that the haters in here aren't peers.

So yes, it's clear and obvious only outsiders with axes to grind that probably attack Achilles and Bethesda and VDA and any other target of the month club are here yapping away.

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Anonymous wrote:And keep believing DCU is a good place to be. This post is gold for anyone who wants to know whether DCU is actually a good academy or not.

99.9% of the people commenting and reading this thread have nothing to do with dcua.
Recently, currently or in the future.

Again with the assumptions. How exactly do you know all these anonymous people?

Logical.
It is not improbable, it is Impossible that all the people commenting on this post have had kids who played at DC recently or are playing there now or will in the near future.
It's about numbers.

Also, you can tell the comments are all from hearsay and 3rd hand information.
In addition, the people serious enough about their kids development at that level are too focused on that for this nonsense.

Add to that, if your kid is having such a terrible time at dcua, this sure ain't the place to make things better and the parents of the top tier kids in the area know that the haters in here aren't peers.

So yes, it's clear and obvious only outsiders with axes to grind that probably attack Achilles and Bethesda and VDA and any other target of the month club are here yapping away.

What exactly is hearsay and 3rd hand information? Facts that have been listed are pretty evident. Are you saying everything is a lie? Or are you just cherry picking one or two things and completely ignoring everything else?

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Anonymous wrote:And I've been to academy facilities in over 20 countries...I have seen it with my own eyes.

If you're claiming you visited academies in 20 countries and all you saw were state of the art modern facilities and fields, you must also have a part time job selling sand in the dessert and the Brooklyn Bridge to tourists.

Or you were extremely selective in where you went (benefit of the doubt)

NO. I'm saying the facilities I've seen are better than DCUs. Some good, some average some basic. All better than what DCU has.

Maybe the rest of MLS academies should have facilities like the ones you saw, since none of them are sending players to top level professional clubs consistently.

The rest of the MLS academies have equivalent facilities. Some better, some worse. Again, all better than DCU. You can't win.

Academies are measured by
1. Number of players signed to Professional Ranks (premier divisions)
2. Revenue generated by sale of players to Professional Clubs

They could be training on pristine hybrid turf or concrete. Doesn't matter.

And both of those statistics are crap for DCU. Next

Which MLS Club Academies are bossing in these statistics?

Red bulls and Philly. Double the homegrown and more revenue generated than DCU

Show me the revenue earned from Philly Union and Red Bulls on sales of their academy players?

Lets just take the most high profile homegrown sales from Philly Union in the last 6 or so years since none of the Academies really had many sales of players in the mid to early 2000s and compare those to DCUs most high profile sales in the same period:

All information is publicly available and can be confirmed on Transfermarkt.com (which, if you don't know, is the leading global resource on player transfers. These transfers are confirmed by the site through FIFA). Debating the legitimacy of Transfermarkt is useless so don't even go there.

DCU:
Kevin Paredes: 7mil
Griffin Yow: 100K (now worth 4 mil. Massive loss for DCU)
Moses Nyeman: 350K (but was worth 1mil at time of sale. Undervalued him at the time of sale)
Donovan Pines: Left for free (meaning he left and DCU got no money. Now he is estimated to be worth 1.7mil Euros playing in England.)
Total: 7.45 mil

Philly Union:
Auston Trusty: 680K
Mark Mckenzie: 6.6 mil
Brendan Aaronson: 12.5 mil
Paxton Aaronson: 4 mil
Cavan Sullivan: when 18, 5mil transfer to Man City with incentives (contract is done)
Total: 28.7 mil

So basically FOUR times as much money was made by Philly compared to DCU on the sales of homegrowns. There really isn't a comparison. Also, look at how much money DCU has actually LOST on the transfers. Also shows the poor front office decisions that are being made and how the players are leaving and actually developing faster (and becoming more valuable) in better environments. Philly also has more homegrowns that haven't been sold during that time.

What you're seeing at Red Bulls is that they are holding on to their homegrowns for longer because they believe they can develop them in house and get more money on the transfers later (something DCU cannot do, which is the entire point of this thread). They have had 14 homegrown signings since 2020 and DCU 7. Double.

But this is all false too I guess?? LOL

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Anonymous wrote:And I've been to academy facilities in over 20 countries...I have seen it with my own eyes.

If you're claiming you visited academies in 20 countries and all you saw were state of the art modern facilities and fields, you must also have a part time job selling sand in the dessert and the Brooklyn Bridge to tourists.

Or you were extremely selective in where you went (benefit of the doubt)

NO. I'm saying the facilities I've seen are better than DCUs. Some good, some average some basic. All better than what DCU has.

Maybe the rest of MLS academies should have facilities like the ones you saw, since none of them are sending players to top level professional clubs consistently.

The rest of the MLS academies have equivalent facilities. Some better, some worse. Again, all better than DCU. You can't win.

Academies are measured by
1. Number of players signed to Professional Ranks (premier divisions)
2. Revenue generated by sale of players to Professional Clubs

They could be training on pristine hybrid turf or concrete. Doesn't matter.

And both of those statistics are crap for DCU. Next

Which MLS Club Academies are bossing in these statistics?

Red bulls and Philly. Double the homegrown and more revenue generated than DCU

Show me the revenue earned from Philly Union and Red Bulls on sales of their academy players?

Lets just take the most high profile homegrown sales from Philly Union in the last 6 or so years since none of the Academies really had many sales of players in the mid to early 2000s and compare those to DCUs most high profile sales in the same period:

All information is publicly available and can be confirmed on Transfermarkt.com (which, if you don't know, is the leading global resource on player transfers. These transfers are confirmed by the site through FIFA). Debating the legitimacy of Transfermarkt is useless so don't even go there.

DCU:
Kevin Paredes: 7mil
Griffin Yow: 100K (now worth 4 mil. Massive loss for DCU)
Moses Nyeman: 350K (but was worth 1mil at time of sale. Undervalued him at the time of sale)
Donovan Pines: Left for free (meaning he left and DCU got no money. Now he is estimated to be worth 1.7mil Euros playing in England.)
Total: 7.45 mil

Philly Union:
Auston Trusty: 680K
Mark Mckenzie: 6.6 mil
Brendan Aaronson: 12.5 mil
Paxton Aaronson: 4 mil
Cavan Sullivan: when 18, 5mil transfer to Man City with incentives (contract is done)
Total: 28.7 mil

So basically FOUR times as much money was made by Philly compared to DCU on the sales of homegrowns. There really isn't a comparison. Also, look at how much money DCU has actually LOST on the transfers. Also shows the poor front office decisions that are being made and how the players are leaving and actually developing faster (and becoming more valuable) in better environments. Philly also has more homegrowns that haven't been sold during that time.

What you're seeing at Red Bulls is that they are holding on to their homegrowns for longer because they believe they can develop them in house and get more money on the transfers later (something DCU cannot do, which is the entire point of this thread). They have had 14 homegrown signings since 2020 and DCU 7. Double.

But this is all false too I guess?? LOL

FC Dallas has numbers somewhere in the 20-30 mil too (Pepi, Cannon, Richards, Tessman) just to name a few. And if they would have gotten money for Weston Mckinnie (which they lost out on and one of the reasons why homegrown rules were even put into place) the numbers would be even higher.

Its actually silly to compare these academies to DCU. They are just on a different level.

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USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

Where do you see DCU kids?

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

Where do you see DCU kids?

U17 and U16 November camp rosters came out today and no DCU players on the roster. Union and red bulls are represented on both.

The International behemoth Red Bulls has 1 player on U17 and none on U15

They are probably the best U16 team in the country but strangely has only 2

Irrelevant. These stats are all better than what DCU is doing and how it's performing on a national scale...You're trying to tear down a club that is actually getting results but yet, have nothing to offer about DCU?? Doesn't work like that. DCU is not on the same level and not a strong academy. There is no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Red Bulls had 25 players not make U15s
Same as DCU

Red Bulls had 24 players not make U17s
1 less than DC

Red Bulls had 23 players not make U16's
2 less than DC

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

Where do you see DCU kids?

U17 and U16 November camp rosters came out today and no DCU players on the roster. Union and red bulls are represented on both.

The International behemoth Red Bulls has 1 player on U17 and none on U15

They are probably the best U16 team in the country but strangely has only 2

Irrelevant. These stats are all better than what DCU is doing and how it's performing on a national scale...You're trying to tear down a club that is actually getting results but yet, have nothing to offer about DCU?? Doesn't work like that. DCU is not on the same level and not a strong academy. There is no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Red Bulls had 25 players not make U15s
Same as DCU

Red Bulls had 24 players not make U17s
1 less than DC

Red Bulls had 23 players not make U16's
2 less than DC

Could you also give us numbers from the past 2 or 3 years as well?

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Why is this thread 42 pages, I thought we were at 45???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

Where do you see DCU kids?

U17 and U16 November camp rosters came out today and no DCU players on the roster. Union and red bulls are represented on both.

The International behemoth Red Bulls has 1 player on U17 and none on U15

They are probably the best U16 team in the country but strangely has only 2

Irrelevant. These stats are all better than what DCU is doing and how it's performing on a national scale...You're trying to tear down a club that is actually getting results but yet, have nothing to offer about DCU?? Doesn't work like that. DCU is not on the same level and not a strong academy. There is no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Red Bulls had 25 players not make U15s
Same as DCU

Red Bulls had 24 players not make U17s
1 less than DC

Red Bulls had 23 players not make U16's
2 less than DC

Add 1 more to u17.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCHoIviRha9/?igsh=MXJ3NTczOHA1a2hvdA==

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

Where do you see DCU kids?

U17 and U16 November camp rosters came out today and no DCU players on the roster. Union and red bulls are represented on both.

The International behemoth Red Bulls has 1 player on U17 and none on U15

They are probably the best U16 team in the country but strangely has only 2

Irrelevant. These stats are all better than what DCU is doing and how it's performing on a national scale...You're trying to tear down a club that is actually getting results but yet, have nothing to offer about DCU?? Doesn't work like that. DCU is not on the same level and not a strong academy. There is no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Red Bulls had 25 players not make U15s
Same as DCU

Red Bulls had 24 players not make U17s
1 less than DC

Red Bulls had 23 players not make U16's
2 less than DC

Ok? Trying to understand how this argument helps DCUs case?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

Where do you see DCU kids?

U17 and U16 November camp rosters came out today and no DCU players on the roster. Union and red bulls are represented on both.

The International behemoth Red Bulls has 1 player on U17 and none on U15

They are probably the best U16 team in the country but strangely has only 2

Irrelevant. These stats are all better than what DCU is doing and how it's performing on a national scale...You're trying to tear down a club that is actually getting results but yet, have nothing to offer about DCU?? Doesn't work like that. DCU is not on the same level and not a strong academy. There is no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Red Bulls had 25 players not make U15s
Same as DCU

Red Bulls had 24 players not make U17s
1 less than DC

Red Bulls had 23 players not make U16's
2 less than DC

Add 1 more to u17.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCHoIviRha9/?igsh=MXJ3NTczOHA1a2hvdA==

I guess that means 4 red bulls players made the rosters across the three teams but DCU had none? Some results is better than no results any day. Using this logic would also mean that a fifth division team in England has won just as many Premier league titles as Tottenham (zero). It's not a great way to compare.

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Anonymous wrote:USMNT DCU bias only 2 DCU kids all age groups?

Where do you see DCU kids?

U17 and U16 November camp rosters came out today and no DCU players on the roster. Union and red bulls are represented on both.

The International behemoth Red Bulls has 1 player on U17 and none on U15

They are probably the best U16 team in the country but strangely has only 2

Irrelevant. These stats are all better than what DCU is doing and how it's performing on a national scale...You're trying to tear down a club that is actually getting results but yet, have nothing to offer about DCU?? Doesn't work like that. DCU is not on the same level and not a strong academy. There is no other conclusion that can be drawn.

Red Bulls had 25 players not make U15s
Same as DCU

Red Bulls had 24 players not make U17s
1 less than DC

Red Bulls had 23 players not make U16's
2 less than DC

Add 1 more to u17.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCHoIviRha9/?igsh=MXJ3NTczOHA1a2hvdA==

I guess that means 4 red bulls players made the rosters across the three teams but DCU had none? Some results is better than no results any day. Using this logic would also mean that a fifth division team in England has won just as many Premier league titles as Tottenham (zero). It's not a great way to compare.

I love this post. I'm guessing it's from an Arsenal supporter. It's logical, it's effective, it's on point, AND it jabs at a rival club. Well done.