Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:So it's totally normal to be in a relationship where your partner walks around slamming cabinets and breaking glass (I'm pretty sure he tossed something glass in there and it broke) violently and yelling condescendingly at you as you ask him what happened, because a little while ago when you woe up he was in a good mood. That's totally normal.

Also for your partner to write degrading messages to you in blood all over the house you're staying in together. That also sounds totally normal.

I can understand not liking her. There is a more loving and loyal path to take here as the spouse I guess. But I also don't think you necessarily owe loyalty and love to a an addicted person who can't control their behavior around you and is petulant to you all the time. Like, when he apologized to her by text for something terrible he did and she didn't immediately forgive him, his immediate response was "well I see forgiveness and understanding are off the menu." or something like that. He is such a petulant child expecting everything to be easy for him even though his behavior is appalling.

It is abuse to write degrading comments about your partner on the walls. THE END. That's abusive.

The things you name here are at least as normal as…purposely defecating on your spouse’s side of the bed. She even took care to place the poo so that he would lay on it when he put up the sheet and got in bed. To me this was detail was as shocking as anything I heard Depp has done. She’s grotesquely immature and a little crazy. He’s an alcoholic opiate addict, clearly damaged from his own abusive childhood. I don’t think it is possible to say one is worse or more abusive than the other.

I didn't actually see that part. But if she did that, yeah that's totally gross. And probably abusive, too, if that was her dynamic with him and not some weird thing wtf.

BUT I still think it's abusive to write degrading comments about your partner in blood etc. all over the walls. Everybody here seems to be saying you have to hit your partner for it to be abuse, but that's not the standard. And he seems awful. Maybe she should have left. Why didn't HE leave, btw, if she was so awful?

At the time, he credited her with getting him through his detox, and told her parents he owed it all to her and she was an angel. But now that he hates her he complains that actually she didn't give him his drugs fast enough. (He conveniently leaves out the part that she was told not to give him the drugs too early, and that she did actually summon doctors to the place to help him so they could make the call about giving him drugs early -- no, she was a demon!)

I haven't watched the whole thing so maybe I've gotten a skewed view, but I did hear a lot of his testimony yesterday (which was supposed to be positive for him) and I did not like him. I have known abusers and he has that "this is somebody else's fault not my fault -- it's your fault for making me angry!" demeanor.

He went to Australia three weeks after they got married. When she tried to pick fights, he’d leave and go go another property. He was also asked this very question today and said he didn’t leave because he didn’t want go break her heart and because when his father left his mother, she became suicidal…and AH threatened suicide if he left. So there’s that.

This is a very classic borderline personality move. They have a fear of abandonment, a need for control and a desire for drama. I have a family member that used to do that, and when it eventually no longer had the same effect, moved onto breaking things, physical harm to others, and false accusations.
Johnny's no angel, though, obviously. He just seems less strategic in his messed-upedness.

Yeah my impression (not watching while thing though) is that their therapist was spot on in saying they were mutually abusive. They both sound pretty awful and while AH is maybe more in control of her awfulness that doesn’t mean JD isn’t culpable for his behavior too.

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One other thought that I think hasn't been adequately focused on in all this....is Hollywood's complicity in the mess that is Johnny Depp. It sounds like they took a guy who is almost 60, with a long-term serious addiction problem, and had him working 17 hours days in a physically and mentally demanding role. I would bet the Director was like "Johnny, just give me a little more crazy pirate -- bigger, more outrageous, right?" No wonder he was drinking 17 Red Bulls with a few lines of powder to get through the shootng, and then using a couple vicodin and a big glass of something to get to sleep at night. And it sounds like injury on one of the earlier Pirate movies is what got him into the pills (to add onto the pile of his previous addictions -- why no one at the studio realized he would need a different pain management protocol for his on-the-job injury....).

On one hand, I think people are not sympathetic to the work issues suffered by multi-millionaire actors. On the other hand, I think we see a lot of instances in which actors lives are just ruined because the studios use them this way. Look at Uma Thurman and the car accident she had. Or the million comics who are pressured to take uppers because people find them funnier that way. Hollywood takes these people who often have a lot of insecurity and family trauma that leads them to be effective at capturing the depth of human emotions --- then pushes them to a breaking point, and throws them away when they get embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:One other thought that I think hasn't been adequately focused on in all this....is Hollywood's complicity in the mess that is Johnny Depp. It sounds like they took a guy who is almost 60, with a long-term serious addiction problem, and had him working 17 hours days in a physically and mentally demanding role. I would bet the Director was like "Johnny, just give me a little more crazy pirate -- bigger, more outrageous, right?" No wonder he was drinking 17 Red Bulls with a few lines of powder to get through the shootng, and then using a couple vicodin and a big glass of something to get to sleep at night. And it sounds like injury on one of the earlier Pirate movies is what got him into the pills (to add onto the pile of his previous addictions -- why no one at the studio realized he would need a different pain management protocol for his on-the-job injury....).

On one hand, I think people are not sympathetic to the work issues suffered by multi-millionaire actors. On the other hand, I think we see a lot of instances in which actors lives are just ruined because the studios use them this way. Look at Uma Thurman and the car accident she had. Or the million comics who are pressured to take uppers because people find them funnier that way. Hollywood takes these people who often have a lot of insecurity and family trauma that leads them to be effective at capturing the depth of human emotions --- then pushes them to a breaking point, and throws them away when they get embarrassing.

I think more broadly speaking (because Depp has been on drugs and drinking since basically age 11, by his own admission) studios don't care much about an actor’s health at all as long as he’s making them tons of money. Johnny Depp was effortlessly cool for a very long time until he wasn’t and then he just became sad and a bit pathetic. I was reading a comment somewhere where they mentioned even Wikipedia divides his career up and has a section of his post 2012 decline. He was releasing box office bombs in those years (did anyone see Mordecai? Didn’t think so). There’s a lot of reasons his career is in the state it’s in now that have nothing to do with that op-Ed.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so naive reading about this case. I truly had no idea drug use is so prevalent in "normal" people. (By normal, I mean functioning in society.) I am so disappointed in Vision now, too.

Well, if you think of Hollywood actors as "normal." but look into the sackler/purdue pharma lawsuits re opiate addiction -- lots of "normal" people.

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Anonymous wrote:As a Virginia tax payer, this is is a HUGE waste of my tax dollars. I can't believe this trial is supposed to last for SIX WEEKS. Gross.

If Depp was so concerned about what his children thought or their reputations, then why is he airing such disgusting information about how he lives for the entire world to see? The videos, the text messages, the photos, his testimony about the drug use, the awful language, the threats, the destruction of property, the alcohol. It blows my mind that somehow all this, on the record, isn't hurting his children or their reputation but the WaPo Op-Ed does.

I hope he has some proof that some company didn't hire him because of the article. Otherwise why not just have his exes speak out in support of him and make a statement on his own? It's not like she went after him so directly and criminally that he couldn't make an indirect address of his actions himself.

When cross examination began (not yesterday but the day before they managed to squeeze in about 20 minutes before calling it a day) his lawyers brought up an article published in October 2018 (two months before the op-ed was published) stating that Disney was looking to dump Depp. They haven’t come back to it yet but I’m certain they will.

that should have been excluded on hearsay. was it? i think it was from the daily mail? anyway, i wonder if either side has subpoenaed anyone to talk about the reason for the lost role(s).

It depends on why the article was introduced. If for the truth of the matter asserted, hearsay. If to argue that rumors about him getting fired existed before the article, not hearsay.

well that is a key part of their defense, right? that even if the jurors believe that the op ed was defamatory, it didn't cause him to lose the role in the next pirates. so it seems like it was offered for the truth of the matter asserted.

There are a bunch of exceptions to the hearsay rule. They might say they’re offering it to show the general impression of Depp’s career trajectory at the time. I’m super rusty on hearsay and all its exceptions/exemptions. But there are a lot.[/q,uote]
whose "general impression"? if it's offered as a present sense impression, i'm not sure whose it would be. going to take more than a daily mirror article to defend on damages, on the flip side, he is going to need some proof on damages. doubt he really cares about a damages award, though; he'd be satisfied with liability. he said he wanted to do the trial to get to the truth, but i agree with a pp that perhaps it would have been better to write his own op eds instead.

How the hell should I know? I took evidence like 20 years ago! I’m sure her lawyers will come up with something.

well, it was a rhetorical question, but that kind of proves why it is hearsay, no?

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Anonymous wrote:"She was antagonizing him!" as he went around smashing cabinets and breaking glass and pouring himself a giant glass of breakfast wine. Sure.

K, crazy…no one is saying his behavior was okay. He’s clearly a very troubled person. But, she walked in on him behaving like this, turned on her camera…and started asking leading questions to piss him off more. Any emotionally healthy adult would have got the hell out of there.

She asked him what happened, omg!? Clearly he ought to break something else, it was such an abusive question!

Did we ever find out what actually had happened btw? I missed it. I don't know why he was behaving that way. He also seemed to be blaming it on her.

I totally understand the desire to record when something crazy is happening to you. I get it.

Thank you. The rabid defense of Depp by some of his totally stable female fans here is something, isn’t it?

I have called lots of people assholes. I have even called my husband an asshole. Doesn’t mean I hit him.
I don’t see how you can see her as any less crazy and culpable as he is. I am not so much defending him as pointing out that she is also a pretty messed up person. SHE PURPOSELY DEFECATED ON HIS SIDE OF THE BED and moved the sheets so he would lie in it. This is crazy, abusive behavior. Plus, did you not hear the tape where she tells him no one will believe him if he tells?

They are both horrible. Stop trying to pretend she is normal herself.

Yeah, but it's a defamation case, not a "who do we hate most" reality show, and he's the one that brought it... apparently over an op-ed that's weak tea at most. They are both seriously disturbed - but that exactly why this trial is a huge waste of everyone's time.

Exactly. I think they're both trash, but Depp's the one abusing thr legal systemntontry to get back at his ex years and years after the divorce in an incredibly weak case. So in this situation I'm anti-Depp here.

He has always lived the pirate lifestyle and has never lost a job until Amber accused him of physical abuse. This is what I’d at stake. His reputation and his work. It might be a waste of time for you but not for him
Or for his kids reputations.

This.

She’s the one who seemingly inserted cray-cray nonsense into the equation…and it seems like it was done strategically for a payout.

Remember: he’s dated a lot and his ex vouched for him. He was not the violent person Amber claims he is.

Sometimes crazy women provoke responses…particularly when on a mission. The fact that she taped everything is very telling.

This is such a red piller justification for abuse - she provoked him, she was looking for it. I guess his ex also deserved the abuse too.

"Actor Johnny Depp called his former partner and mother of his children Vanessa Paradis a 'French extortionist c***' in an email to British singer Elton John, Amber Heard's legal team revealed in court on Thursday."

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Wow he's no prize bit she is quite the liar.

https://www.justjared.com/2022/04/22/makeup-brand-calls-out-amber-heard-debunks-claim-made-in-court/

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Anonymous wrote:Wow he's no prize bit she is quite the liar.

https://www.justjared.com/2022/04/22/makeup-brand-calls-out-amber-heard-debunks-claim-made-in-court/

Proves she was lying about the bruises! If his lawyer is any good, this might be the critical piece that helps him win this.

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Anonymous wrote:He seems really charming to me. She seems like a scheming black widow succubus. Even her own sister and mom don't speak with her? I mean, come on.

Johnny Depp has a good sense of humor! You can tell he is also very patient.

This. He actually seems likeable and intelligent in these clips. But when he answers a fully question, he’s almost incoherent and rambling.

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Anonymous wrote:I was wondering why they weren't focused more on the Fantastic Beasts/Grindlewald role rather than the Disney/Pirates stuff --- the Pirate franchise was pretty well played out, but there were 2 of those FB movies left and they are bigger earners than Pirates at this point, I think. I guess the FB folks are saying that it was all the embarrassing stuff that he voluntarily released through the Sun litigation that made them cut him? It's really sad. I don't know why his lawyers aren't advising him better.

Also, can we say for a minute that Paul Bettany must be really bummed about all this? He looks like a d-ck in those text messages, and doesn't have the excuse of being a middle-aged long-term addict who grew up in an abusive household married to a crazy woman. What's Paul's excuse?

Jennifer Connelly doesn't deserve this.

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Anonymous wrote:He seems really charming to me. She seems like a scheming black widow succubus. Even her own sister and mom don't speak with her? I mean, come on.

Johnny Depp has a good sense of humor! You can tell he is also very patient.

This. He actually seems likeable and intelligent in these clips. But when he answers a fully question, he’s almost incoherent and rambling.

I think unrehearsed public speaking is difficult for many people. Just because an actor can memorize a script and act doesn’t mean they are quick on their feet .

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Here is a rookie question: I understand that Ambers' team is using evidence that was already presented in the Sun case. But how were the text messages between Paul Bethany and Johnny Depp obtained initially? Or the emails with Elton John?

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Anonymous wrote:He seems really charming to me. She seems like a scheming black widow succubus. Even her own sister and mom don't speak with her? I mean, come on.

Isn't her mother dead?

Yes. But you know, pesky facts.

Don't be obtuse. Her mum died in 2020, long after her and Johnny were separated. A daughter estranged from her mother and sister is the red flag of all red flags.

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I like his English accent even though he was born in Kentucky.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so naive reading about this case. I truly had no idea drug use is so prevalent in "normal" people. (By normal, I mean functioning in society.) I am so disappointed in Vision now, too.

Umm... you've heard of a thing called the opioid crisis? And you've never heard other moms "joke" about their xanax and ssri scripts? And all of the UMC wine drunks. I don't really think anyone is surprised to hear rich celebrities (and politicians!) are getting wasted.