Missionaries should be banned

[Anonymous]

op, who would be banning missionaries?

[Anonymous]

Iran is an Islamic country that is governed by Sharia law. Like many other Islamic countries that follow Sharia law, Iran has a sizeable Christian minority. However, these Christians do face harassment and persecution by some of their non-Christian neighbors. If they attempt to convert someone who was not born into a Christian family to Christianity, they can go to jail. Additionally, if a Muslim in Iran attempts to convert to Christianity, that person can face jail time or even be killed.

Christians in Afghanistan face similar persecution, and Afghan Christians often practice their faith in secret. Under ISIS, which has lost nearly all of its territory, Christians in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen faced immense persecution, with many being beheaded in public. These countries remain very dangerous for Christians. Somalia, Pakistan, and Nigeria have faced recent insurgencies of terrorist groups that have kidnapped, murdered, and brutalized Christians.

In North Korea, Christians and Christian missionaries are routinely imprisoned in labor camps.

Americans Heather Mercer, 24, and Dayna Curry, 30, were arrested in August for showing a video and book about Jesus to an Afghan family in their home. This act, according to Taliban authorities, violated a law against proselytizing -- trying to convert others to Christianity.

Communist China restricts proselytization to members of state-supported churches.

Sometimes, extremist religious groups unilaterally impose punishment on fellow nationals who have converted to Christianity. In October, Pakistani gunmen killed a Muslim security guard, a minister and 14 other Protestants worshiping at St. Dominic's Catholic Church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2001/12/01/missionaries-go-quietly-where-gospel-is-unwelcome/c26c8108-8b3b-477a-b0c8-8e75596a51a0/

op, there are countries that ban missionaries. These countries also arrest people for sharing the word of God. There are countries that imprison missionaries. These are communist countries and Muslim countries under Sharia law. Op, is that what you want for the United States and the 3rd World?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Iran is an Islamic country that is governed by Sharia law. Like many other Islamic countries that follow Sharia law, Iran has a sizeable Christian minority. However, these Christians do face harassment and persecution by some of their non-Christian neighbors. If they attempt to convert someone who was not born into a Christian family to Christianity, they can go to jail. Additionally, if a Muslim in Iran attempts to convert to Christianity, that person can face jail time or even be killed.

Christians in Afghanistan face similar persecution, and Afghan Christians often practice their faith in secret. Under ISIS, which has lost nearly all of its territory, Christians in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen faced immense persecution, with many being beheaded in public. These countries remain very dangerous for Christians. Somalia, Pakistan, and Nigeria have faced recent insurgencies of terrorist groups that have kidnapped, murdered, and brutalized Christians.

In North Korea, Christians and Christian missionaries are routinely imprisoned in labor camps.

Americans Heather Mercer, 24, and Dayna Curry, 30, were arrested in August for showing a video and book about Jesus to an Afghan family in their home. This act, according to Taliban authorities, violated a law against proselytizing -- trying to convert others to Christianity.

Communist China restricts proselytization to members of state-supported churches.

Sometimes, extremist religious groups unilaterally impose punishment on fellow nationals who have converted to Christianity. In October, Pakistani gunmen killed a Muslim security guard, a minister and 14 other Protestants worshiping at St. Dominic's Catholic Church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2001/12/01/missionaries-go-quietly-where-gospel-is-unwelcome/c26c8108-8b3b-477a-b0c8-8e75596a51a0/

op, there are countries that ban missionaries. These countries also arrest people for sharing the word of God. There are countries that imprison missionaries. These are communist countries and Muslim countries under Sharia law. Op, is that what you want for the United States and the 3rd World?

Seriously -- no need to go to extremes. You can be opposed to proselytizing and imprisoning missionaries and imposing sharia law all at the same time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

It’s cute you think you can post this three pages after it was thoroughly dissected and make the same dishonest claims about it. You must be counting on nobody going back and reading those earlier analyses.

Cool. Now stop “dissecting it” and just ANSWER THE QUESTION.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's is another example:

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Very clear example of proselytizing.

Puhleeze. She had already spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia and then flying to the Caymans. You have no idea whether she asked about the gospels, or what “share” meant or what form it took.

Equally plausible scenario: when mom realized the operation was actually happening, she was overwhelmed by the missionaries’ generosity and asked about their faith.

It’s fascinating that you refuse that admit that some missionaries do proselytize. Why is that?

Because you know it’s unethical?

You've clearly broken the unwritten 15 post max in a thread rule with basically the SAME post, over and over and over and over. You seem disordered.

All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy
All work and no play makes Jack a bad boy ?? anyone?

What is truly fascinating in all this is YOU are the only one proselytizing. It's meaning has a negative connotation, like exactly your attitude here and what you are doing. I know, you wanted to sound uber cool slinging the word around, but, it's a fail like a kindergartener using a thesaurus. Fail. Misusage. By contrast, missionaries spread the gospel, and some also do charity work.

They keep asking the same question because you refuse to answer it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed then, missionaries Do proselytize?

So do people who are not missionaries

It’s a yes or no question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For example, PP can watch this video and then perform some crazy mental gymnastics to claim there was no proselytizing.

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Prove to us that the Mongolian mom didn’t ask about the missionaries faith, and they were simply answering. You can’t.

What amazes me is that mom spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia, on the plane, and then in the Cayman Islands, before they finally told her about Jesus. They must be piss-poor missionaries.

They know they need to build trust first.

I'm sure they've thought through their technique.

FFS. Get a grip, you look ridiculous.

It’s the truth. Sorry you’re so defensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For example, PP can watch this video and then perform some crazy mental gymnastics to claim there was no proselytizing.

"I was in the waiting room and my daughter was having surgery for four hours. SP's staff shared the Gospel with me. That's when I heard about Jesus Christ. I received Jesus Christ as my savior on the day my daughter had surgery in the Cayman Islands. ... I know that Jesus healed my daughter's heart."

Prove to us that the Mongolian mom didn’t ask about the missionaries faith, and they were simply answering. You can’t.

What amazes me is that mom spent weeks with the missionaries, in Mongolia, on the plane, and then in the Cayman Islands, before they finally told her about Jesus. They must be piss-poor missionaries.

They know they need to build trust first.

I'm sure they've thought through their technique.

So 3rd world citizens are ignorant as well as poor? They don’t have the mental capacity to make decisions based on their own feelings and thoughts? I am stunned people here are denigrating 3rd world people so. Just because they are in poverty doesn’t mean they are stupid.

Religious people are called mentally ill here as well. So according to dcum, mentally ill religious missionaries are preying upon ignorant 3rd world people.

What a narrative.

+1000. Pp has been asked on nearly every page (I’m bored at work) why she thinks third world peoples can’t make up their own minds. 40 pages later and she still hasn’t answered.

Can you spell “patronizing”?

But hey, she keeps swigging that Cotes du Rhône as she argues that helpful services should be banned because poor people are too dumb to make their own choices.

It’s called a power imbalance and being in dire straits.

Oh, and I didn’t drink wine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran is an Islamic country that is governed by Sharia law. Like many other Islamic countries that follow Sharia law, Iran has a sizeable Christian minority. However, these Christians do face harassment and persecution by some of their non-Christian neighbors. If they attempt to convert someone who was not born into a Christian family to Christianity, they can go to jail. Additionally, if a Muslim in Iran attempts to convert to Christianity, that person can face jail time or even be killed.

Christians in Afghanistan face similar persecution, and Afghan Christians often practice their faith in secret. Under ISIS, which has lost nearly all of its territory, Christians in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen faced immense persecution, with many being beheaded in public. These countries remain very dangerous for Christians. Somalia, Pakistan, and Nigeria have faced recent insurgencies of terrorist groups that have kidnapped, murdered, and brutalized Christians.

In North Korea, Christians and Christian missionaries are routinely imprisoned in labor camps.

Americans Heather Mercer, 24, and Dayna Curry, 30, were arrested in August for showing a video and book about Jesus to an Afghan family in their home. This act, according to Taliban authorities, violated a law against proselytizing -- trying to convert others to Christianity.

Communist China restricts proselytization to members of state-supported churches.

Sometimes, extremist religious groups unilaterally impose punishment on fellow nationals who have converted to Christianity. In October, Pakistani gunmen killed a Muslim security guard, a minister and 14 other Protestants worshiping at St. Dominic's Catholic Church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2001/12/01/missionaries-go-quietly-where-gospel-is-unwelcome/c26c8108-8b3b-477a-b0c8-8e75596a51a0/

op, there are countries that ban missionaries. These countries also arrest people for sharing the word of God. There are countries that imprison missionaries. These are communist countries and Muslim countries under Sharia law. Op, is that what you want for the United States and the 3rd World?

Seriously -- no need to go to extremes. You can be opposed to proselytizing and imprisoning missionaries and imposing sharia law all at the same time.

honestly just stop. you are a not a good person. if you really cared about your fellow man you wouldn’t be obsessively posting here.

countries that ban missionaries are evil. worst case scenario is that a poverty stricken 3rd world citizen has to say a few words they may not believe in to receive life saving surgery for their loved one. big whoop.

Anyone posting here (exclude me, I am decent and hardworking and have been on several mission trips to very dangerous parts of the world and didn’t force anyone to do anything, thanks) really isn’t an individual that is active in the realm of helping their fellow man in any way, shape, or form. Helping others takes time and money and effort. You ain’t doing that posting here. Keep talking out your butthole. Means zero.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed then, missionaries Do proselytize?

So do people who are not missionaries

It’s a yes or no question.

DP. The truth? Nobody trusts you enough to answer.

You’re posing a hypothetical where you deliberately fail to define “proselytize.” The word “proselytize” could mean anything from answering questions about that cross on the clinic wall to forcing conversions on people in need of surgery. You clearly mean the latter, even though you’ve utterly failed to document that sort of forced-conversions.

We all know that if we answer your hypothetical, your next post will more dishonest spin along the lines of, “Yes! We all agree missionaries force conversions.”

No takers, no surprise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed then, missionaries Do proselytize?

So do people who are not missionaries

It’s a yes or no question.

DP. The truth? Nobody trusts you enough to answer.

You’re posing a hypothetical where you deliberately fail to define “proselytize.” The word “proselytize” could mean anything from answering questions about that cross on the clinic wall to forcing conversions on people in need of surgery. You clearly mean the latter, even though you’ve utterly failed to document that sort of forced-conversions.

We all know that if we answer your hypothetical, your next post will more dishonest spin along the lines of, “Yes! We all agree missionaries force conversions.”

No takers, no surprise.

PS. I’m the pp who did secular aid in Haiti. You’re obstinately ignorant—missions are doing work nobody else, including the UN, is doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Iran is an Islamic country that is governed by Sharia law. Like many other Islamic countries that follow Sharia law, Iran has a sizeable Christian minority. However, these Christians do face harassment and persecution by some of their non-Christian neighbors. If they attempt to convert someone who was not born into a Christian family to Christianity, they can go to jail. Additionally, if a Muslim in Iran attempts to convert to Christianity, that person can face jail time or even be killed.

Christians in Afghanistan face similar persecution, and Afghan Christians often practice their faith in secret. Under ISIS, which has lost nearly all of its territory, Christians in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen faced immense persecution, with many being beheaded in public. These countries remain very dangerous for Christians. Somalia, Pakistan, and Nigeria have faced recent insurgencies of terrorist groups that have kidnapped, murdered, and brutalized Christians.

In North Korea, Christians and Christian missionaries are routinely imprisoned in labor camps.

Americans Heather Mercer, 24, and Dayna Curry, 30, were arrested in August for showing a video and book about Jesus to an Afghan family in their home. This act, according to Taliban authorities, violated a law against proselytizing -- trying to convert others to Christianity.

Communist China restricts proselytization to members of state-supported churches.

Sometimes, extremist religious groups unilaterally impose punishment on fellow nationals who have converted to Christianity. In October, Pakistani gunmen killed a Muslim security guard, a minister and 14 other Protestants worshiping at St. Dominic's Catholic Church in Bahawalpur, Pakistan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/2001/12/01/missionaries-go-quietly-where-gospel-is-unwelcome/c26c8108-8b3b-477a-b0c8-8e75596a51a0/

op, there are countries that ban missionaries. These countries also arrest people for sharing the word of God. There are countries that imprison missionaries. These are communist countries and Muslim countries under Sharia law. Op, is that what you want for the United States and the 3rd World?

Seriously -- no need to go to extremes. You can be opposed to proselytizing and imprisoning missionaries and imposing sharia law all at the same time.

honestly just stop. you are a not a good person. if you really cared about your fellow man you wouldn’t be obsessively posting here.

countries that ban missionaries are evil. worst case scenario is that a poverty stricken 3rd world citizen has to say a few words they may not believe in to receive life saving surgery for their loved one. big whoop.

Anyone posting here (exclude me, I am decent and hardworking and have been on several mission trips to very dangerous parts of the world and didn’t force anyone to do anything, thanks) really isn’t an individual that is active in the realm of helping their fellow man in any way, shape, or form. Helping others takes time and money and effort. You ain’t doing that posting here. Keep talking out your butthole. Means zero.

So it’s ok for them to be pressured to say those things as long as they are getting life saving surgery for a loved one? Quid pro quo?

Aren’t the missionaries exploiting that vulnerable position?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So we're all agreed then, missionaries Do proselytize?

So do people who are not missionaries

It’s a yes or no question.

DP. The truth? Nobody trusts you enough to answer.

You’re posing a hypothetical where you deliberately fail to define “proselytize.” The word “proselytize” could mean anything from answering questions about that cross on the clinic wall to forcing conversions on people in need of surgery. You clearly mean the latter, even though you’ve utterly failed to document that sort of forced-conversions.

We all know that if we answer your hypothetical, your next post will more dishonest spin along the lines of, “Yes! We all agree missionaries force conversions.”

No takers, no surprise.

You are confusing multiple posters.

I’ll ask this question again - maybe this is less triggering for you:

Is it ethical for missionaries to verbally try to persuade people to “invite Jesus into their lives” - with words not just deeds or props - during vulnerable moments of the people they are helping? To verbally proselytize during service work?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:so I think we can all agree these missionaries have ulterior motives.

Call the spin doctors! Did someone use the words “weird” and “arrogant” to describe the poster who declares (nonexistent) consensus around her take on something?

And what sane person thinks DCUM consensus among 5 people, if it actually existed (which it doesn’t), would be worth more than a bucket of spit?

Maybe it’s all that wine that ban-missionaries pp is imbibing. Because it looks like a drunkard’s take to the rest of us!

Your lack of disagreement with he post you respond to is noted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:so I think we can all agree these missionaries have ulterior motives.

Call the spin doctors! Did someone use the words “weird” and “arrogant” to describe the poster who declares (nonexistent) consensus around her take on something?

And what sane person thinks DCUM consensus among 5 people, if it actually existed (which it doesn’t), would be worth more than a bucket of spit?

Maybe it’s all that wine that ban-missionaries pp is imbibing. Because it looks like a drunkard’s take to the rest of us!

Your lack of disagreement with he post you respond to is noted.

You’re so dishonest it’s appalling. You lie: Nobody is agreeing with you.