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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Maybe, if they don’t understand as much about this then us adults do.

My son is nervous and sad. Rising 8th grader who has dreamed of going to the same high as his older siblings. He’s not happy.

No one seems to care.

And don’t tell me house values don’t matter. It is our largest investment and of course do not want a loss.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


They ended up carrying over the language in the existing Policy 8130 on phasing and grandfathering verbatim.

Of course, part of the rationale for revising the policy was they claimed it was too open-ended and that they wanted to provide clearer direction as to which factors were important.

Having done that, it was a punt not to provide a more specific commitment with respect to phasing or grandfathering. Their refusal to do so does, in fact, mean they wanted to leave Reid with the flexibility to come back with a proposal that would actually move HS students from their existing schools to new schools. There is no other way to interpret it.

However, if Reid actually were to come back and propose this, it’s not clear she could get seven votes. It appears at least five members would oppose it (R. Anderson, Lady, McElveen, Meren, and Moon) and least one other member who signed on this in theory last night might balk at signing off on it in practice, when the stakes are higher.


I hope that’s true. I said previously on this thread, and I really mean it, I’m willing to send my younger child to Lewis as a 9th grader where he can start knowing what’s there, making friends, creating and joining clubs and sports, and hopefully his and others’ academic needs will be met as they come. But I will look into other options if they move my older child his junior year. That’s just not right.


Exactly. This is the situation we are in as well. There is no way I can "advocate for change" and have it possibly make a difference for my rising junior. Meren even expressed this concern and favored limited grandfathering for this reason. There will most likely be a lag in Lewis' ability to offer AP and DE classes. Not all teachers can teach those courses. For AP, you need to be AP certified for that specific course and for DE you need to have the required graduate credits in that content area to teach it, typically 18 credits. When my youngest is in 9th grade, there is a good chance that the course offerings would have improved, and they will likely not experience the loss of opportunities in terms of sports and leadership positions my junior would. Heck, I'm not even arguing against boundary changes. I'm just advocating to do them in way that makes sense geographically and at a bare minimum to try mitigate the harm to kids in the "move zone" at critical times in their academic career. There is a whole lot of space between digging in your heals against any boundary changes and saying "whatever, move 'em all, they'll be fine." I see the need for some changes but just want to see it done in a way that minimizes harm. Rising juniors are the ones who arguably would be harmed the most in a forced move.

Also, no this is not the same as a family choosing to move. Families in the demographic that is going to likely get moved would research the area and prioritize schools in terms of certain measures of quality, to include advanced course offerings, and if possible time those moves in a way that is least disruptive to their kids. Don't bring up military kids. I've worked in DODEA schools, and while many thrive and excel, and most are okay, there is a subset that ARE NOT okay and suffer mental health challenges unlike any I've seen in other schools. Luckily, those schools have much more robust mental health services available. Ask any military family, and they will say the moves get harder the older the kids get. Many time their retirements to avoid moving during high school. A forced move like this is nothing like "oh kids moved all the time, they'll be fine."

While I do not disagree with the need to change boundaries, I do disagree with doing it in a way that does not take into consideration the needs of the kids being moved. That it was what I will advocate for in addition to IMMEDIATE expansions of course offerings in the currently under enrolled schools. I can get behind improving schools and using resources more wisely. I can't get behind a numbers game intended to mask problems without regard for the impact on the higher achieving kids you hope will improve the school.

For the poster who keeps saying "what will you do to improve your new school," what have YOU done to improve your school beyond possibly advocating to move other kids to your school in hopes that it improves the situation?
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The Langley parents tried to throw their money and weight around as usual and derail the adoption of the Policy 8130 amendments.

They failed.

Now it’s time to step back, let FCPS staff work on the proposed implementation plan, and offer appropriate feedback once it is available for public review and comment.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.


What college said they prefer one high school over another? Show us where colleges say they don’t admit kids that move. Post your source.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Maybe, if they don’t understand as much about this then us adults do.

My son is nervous and sad. Rising 8th grader who has dreamed of going to the same high as his older siblings. He’s not happy.

No one seems to care.

And don’t tell me house values don’t matter. It is our largest investment and of course do not want a loss.


You can claim they matter, but that goes both ways then. Why should FCPS play favorites with protecting some pyramid values while "allowing" others to go down the drain? By your logic FCPS should make decisions that maintain and even improve values in undesirable pyramids.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.


What college said they prefer one high school over another? Show us where colleges say they don’t admit kids that move. Post your source.


It's common sense to anyone who knows anything about college admissions. Strength of schedule matters. We're not talking about just getting into college period, we're taking about the potential options of more advance students being limited due to lack of access to AP and DE courses.

Most of us here are not advocating against the boundary changes. We are arguing to grandfather juniors because that is a critical year in terms of college admissions. You are arguing for the other extreme end of the spectrum from those who say "no boundary changes, period." What is best for the county is a moderate position that takes into account the needs of all students, including those being moved.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.


What college said they prefer one high school over another? Show us where colleges say they don’t admit kids that move. Post your source.


It's common sense to anyone who knows anything about college admissions. Strength of schedule matters. We're not talking about just getting into college period, we're taking about the potential options of more advance students being limited due to lack of access to AP and DE courses.

Most of us here are not advocating against the boundary changes. We are arguing to grandfather juniors because that is a critical year in terms of college admissions. You are arguing for the other extreme end of the spectrum from those who say "no boundary changes, period." What is best for the county is a moderate position that takes into account the needs of all students, including those being moved.


Show us your source. Show us a college that says they won’t admit a top kid from a school with less AP.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.


The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.


What college said they prefer one high school over another? Show us where colleges say they don’t admit kids that move. Post your source.


It's common sense to anyone who knows anything about college admissions. Strength of schedule matters. We're not talking about just getting into college period, we're taking about the potential options of more advance students being limited due to lack of access to AP and DE courses.

Most of us here are not advocating against the boundary changes. We are arguing to grandfather juniors because that is a critical year in terms of college admissions. You are arguing for the other extreme end of the spectrum from those who say "no boundary changes, period." What is best for the county is a moderate position that takes into account the needs of all students, including those being moved.


Show us your source. Show us a college that says they won’t admit a top kid from a school with less AP.


If this not the case, why are you so eager to have high performing kids moved to underenrolled schools? If access to AP and DE courses do not matter, why do you need access to them increased at your school via an influx of higher performing kids? If they do matter to you, why should that not also matter to me? Explain your reasoning to me.
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Anonymous wrote:The Langley parents tried to throw their money and weight around as usual and derail the adoption of the Policy 8130 amendments.

They failed.

Now it’s time to step back, let FCPS staff work on the proposed implementation plan, and offer appropriate feedback once it is available for public review and comment.


Speaking as a parent of several Langley 🎓, Langley parents failing to stop this policy is the best result for them, even is they don’t know it yet.
Langley is still good comparatively but it’s not what it was even 8 years ago.

Opting out of government school will do good things for their children in the long run.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.




The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.


What college said they prefer one high school over another? Show us where colleges say they don’t admit kids that move. Post your source.


It's common sense to anyone who knows anything about college admissions. Strength of schedule matters. We're not talking about just getting into college period, we're taking about the potential options of more advance students being limited due to lack of access to AP and DE courses.

Most of us here are not advocating against the boundary changes. We are arguing to grandfather juniors because that is a critical year in terms of college admissions. You are arguing for the other extreme end of the spectrum from those who say "no boundary changes, period." What is best for the county is a moderate position that takes into account the needs of all students, including those being moved.


Show us your source. Show us a college that says they won’t admit a top kid from a school with less AP.


Oh, and here you go.
https://www.nacacnet.org/factors-in-the-admission-decision/
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NP not really following this but have they actually said they would move kids in the middle of their schooling (ie in 8th or after 9th) or is this just conjecture?

I thought boundary changes are typically applied to new incoming classes while students already in the school are able to complete their time at that particular school
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Anonymous wrote:NP not really following this but have they actually said they would move kids in the middle of their schooling (ie in 8th or after 9th) or is this just conjecture?

I thought boundary changes are typically applied to new incoming classes while students already in the school are able to complete their time at that particular school


They refused to commit to any specific grandfathering beyond the last year at any level, citing the need for flexibility, which in my mind means they will at least consider moving rising juniors. This is concerning for me since they still want that option on the table.
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.




The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.


What college said they prefer one high school over another? Show us where colleges say they don’t admit kids that move. Post your source.


It's common sense to anyone who knows anything about college admissions. Strength of schedule matters. We're not talking about just getting into college period, we're taking about the potential options of more advance students being limited due to lack of access to AP and DE courses.

Most of us here are not advocating against the boundary changes. We are arguing to grandfather juniors because that is a critical year in terms of college admissions. You are arguing for the other extreme end of the spectrum from those who say "no boundary changes, period." What is best for the county is a moderate position that takes into account the needs of all students, including those being moved.


Show us your source. Show us a college that says they won’t admit a top kid from a school with less AP.


Oh, and here you go.
https://www.nacacnet.org/factors-in-the-admission-decision/


Where does says kids from a school with less AP don’t get in? Even a lower FCPS school has more AP than most districts in VA. You think kids outside FCPS don’t go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.


That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …

This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.


Such as??


Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.




The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.


I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.

As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.


I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!


That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.

I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.

This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.


Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.


+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.

These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.


You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.


I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.


Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.

That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.




Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.


I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.

Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.


What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.

I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.


Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.

How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?


How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.


In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.


Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.


It is not our community.

Our community is the school zone we originally purchased int, set roots in, and out kids grew up in.


Agree, the school will be two schools within a school. Especially if the kids at the schools are like their smug petty SJW parents. My kids would want nothing to do with them, and I’d fully support that.


Anyone who actually complies with the school board plan and sends their kids would be best served to go in with a good attitude and do all the things they would have done had they stayed at their chosen school.

Why make life less pleasant for your kid and for you? Buy the school logo gear, join the athletic boosters/choral guild/pta and make it a good time.

If you won’t send your kid, good for you and your kid. But if you are going to enroll them, embrace the experience.


+1 The kids are probably handling this better than parents on here.


Yeah because 1) it’s not their property values or ability to sell that’s potentially being affected and 2) kids don’t necessarily have a full grasp on how bad it would be, academically and in terms of their college apps, to move high schools DURING HIGH SCHOOL. If the SB doesn’t figure out the whole AP vs. IB thing, potentially moving from a school with AP classes to one that doesn’t have them. If a kid was on the most advanced math track, moving to a school that could potentially not accommodate that if there has been no demand in the past for the highest AP math classes. No it’s not the same to take those classes at NVCC - as everyone knows, the quality of teaching is generally better in high school when you’re taught by qualified teachers vs. professors whose specialty is research.

And, those same kids also got screwed at some point in elementary school by a year and a half’s worth of closures due to COVID.

I think allowing grandfathering for both juniors and seniors would mitigate a lot of parental stress about this, and I would like to see 6th graders grandfathered as well so they can finish out ES with their class. If a 9th or 10th grader had to move HS, they would have more than half of HS at the new school and that’s not as bad.


What college said they prefer one high school over another? Show us where colleges say they don’t admit kids that move. Post your source.


It's common sense to anyone who knows anything about college admissions. Strength of schedule matters. We're not talking about just getting into college period, we're taking about the potential options of more advance students being limited due to lack of access to AP and DE courses.

Most of us here are not advocating against the boundary changes. We are arguing to grandfather juniors because that is a critical year in terms of college admissions. You are arguing for the other extreme end of the spectrum from those who say "no boundary changes, period." What is best for the county is a moderate position that takes into account the needs of all students, including those being moved.


Show us your source. Show us a college that says they won’t admit a top kid from a school with less AP.


Oh, and here you go.
https://www.nacacnet.org/factors-in-the-admission-decision/


Where does says kids from a school with less AP don’t get in? Even a lower FCPS school has more AP than most districts in VA. You think kids outside FCPS don’t go to college?


*Where does this say
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