Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least five young men at elite privates that will travel to Ukraine after graduation to fight for freedom. Slava Ukraina!


Was your dinner in Monaco? I ran into two top level government officials' sons in Monte Carlo last month. No one is going to the war, you are very naive. They all payed to get out of Ukraine, and now hanging happily in States or Europe until the war is over.
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Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least five young men at elite privates that will travel to Ukraine after graduation to fight for freedom. Slava Ukraina!


Was your dinner in Monaco? I ran into two top level government officials' sons in Monte Carlo last month. No one is going to the war, you are very naive. They all payed to get out of Ukraine, and now hanging happily in States or Europe until the war is over.


Sure you did, you ran into them while you were in Monte Carlo with your wife... Morgan Fairchild. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-boss-jens-stoltenberg-warns-of-bad-news-from-ukraine/

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NATO should be ready for ‘bad news’ from Ukraine, Stoltenberg warns

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Anonymous wrote:I can think of at least five young men at elite privates that will travel to Ukraine after graduation to fight for freedom. Slava Ukraina!


Was your dinner in Monaco? I ran into two top level government officials' sons in Monte Carlo last month. No one is going to the war, you are very naive. They all payed to get out of Ukraine, and now hanging happily in States or Europe until the war is over.


yes, also see Nice, Bishops Avenue, Porto, Laguna Beach, Miami, Battery Park, West Hollywood
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Lyndsey Graham says no more money for Ukraine until border is secured!!!

He’s obviously been compromised by FSB.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-boss-jens-stoltenberg-warns-of-bad-news-from-ukraine/

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NATO should be ready for ‘bad news’ from Ukraine, Stoltenberg warns



LOL

“We’re not able to work as closely together as we should,” he said, urging governments to look beyond their national interests and see the big picture.

What?
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where’s BoJo now?
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We need guidance from the Vindmans on how to proceed. I am still gathering supplies for Ukraine. Slava Ukraina. Slava Zelensky. Slava Vindman.
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Anonymous wrote:https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-boss-jens-stoltenberg-warns-of-bad-news-from-ukraine/

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NATO should be ready for ‘bad news’ from Ukraine, Stoltenberg warns



Why are you laughing?

They are being prudent …
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Is it true that it was the White House who originally tied Ukrainian aid to border security?
If so, the joke is on the Dems I guess
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Anonymous wrote:There is no doubt Ukrainians have suffered enormous casualties. Maybe not as bad as Russians, who are losing almost a 1000 a day in places like Avdiivka.



This is a serious war. Saw a report that indicates that Russians have less than a 4 percent chance of surviving a year on the front. I'm sure it's similar for Ukrainian soldiers.


Speaking of BS...

Russia would have had to have lost their entire army almost twice over for your 4 percent figure to be even remotely possible. Given what we can guess about Russian force size and casualties, its probably more like a 4 percent chance of dying since the start of the SMO.

If you want to see Russian casualties, you can just look here: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

There was an uptick in October when Russia started pushing on Avdeevka, but it wasn't even 1,000 for the month on all fronts combined.

And surely you must realize that if Russia was losing 1,000 a day there, then they wouldn't be winning that battle.


That's completely false. UK and other intelligence services have independently confirmed a high in daily numbers of Russian casualties near 1000 at Avdiivka. Only 1000 troops lost in Russia in a month is absolute laughable delusion.


Mediazona's info is solely based on info released by or confirmed by Russian government sources. They are greatly undercounting deaths.


They use publicly available documents. When someone dies in this day and age, it creates a paper trail. Mediazona has the names, ranks, date of death and other information. Who do you think they are missing? Can you name an individual you think died but isn't listed? Do you think they are systematically missing people from certain regions, or population groups? Where are the bodies?

Intel agency data is in the "trust me bro" tier. Where do their numbers come from, and what data corroborates their counts? Do you know their methodology? Intelligence agencies produce reports they find useful, not necessarily truthful.



That website states that it is an undercount and “The actual death toll is likely significantly higher. ”

Note that Russia also has a lot of PMC’s, prisoners, and other irregular troops that are not counted. Not to mention militias from the Donbas that are not counted.


Prigozhin said he lost 20k troops just in Bakhmut.



Russia is losing roughly 15,000-20,000 soldiers per month in Ukraine. More lately because of how awful the fighting is in Adviika. Most are mobiks from the hinterlands. The smart ones in Moscow and St. Petersburg all left at the start of the war. There are now huge Russian populations in Indonesia and Turkey.

Technically, Russia can absorb these losses of men. It's a big country. It's their equipment losses that are a problem. Thousands of tanks, not to mention all the armored personnel carriers, artillery etc.

This is a really grim war. You can go to twitter or telegram or reddit and see it all. It's horrible.

I think Ukrainians understand this is going to be a long war. And so they are in soldier preservation mode. They are on defense. Would not expect a major offensive from Ukrainians in the foreseeable future. They're just trying to survive. Ukraine has 44 million people. Russia has 143 million people

We've reached the point where life preservation for Ukrainian soldiers has become pretty important. Russians don't care at all.


Huge numbers of Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut, at Vuhledar, at Avdiivka and many other places. Russia is wasting its future on a war that is causing it massive attrition - even as Russia heads into a crisis of population collapse.


Any estimates that can't address the questions of "what were their names?" and "where are their bodies?" is probably a hoax to some degree.

The people claiming big numbers of Russian dead have a problem with the bodies. Early in the war Ukrainian propaganda at least was talking about mobile crematoriums. Then it devolved into "meat cubes," now they are too lazy to even attempt to solve the body problem. They just act like Russians come out of some cloning lab and despawn when hit.


There's no "body problem" in the narrative. Every single day there are brand new videos coming out showing battlefields and trenches littered with dozens of Russian corpses, just abandoned and left behind to decay and literally fulfil the metaphor of becoming fertilizer for sunflowers. Putin does not care enough about their names to have their bodies recovered and given a proper funeral. And their families back home in Ingushetia or wherever else will just be lied to, told they are still at the front fighting, or ran away and went awol, or maybe if their disappearance drags on long enough, the government will eventually give them a loaf of bread for their troubles. That's just the fact of what's been going on.


So Russia is losing a thousand guys a day in Avdeevka alone, and just leaving the bodies there? And this has been going on for two months? Shouldn't this leave absolute mountains of bodies? Surely you guys have pictures of these mountains right?


You mean under the snow? Pfft. You'll have to wait until April.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-heavy-snow-flight-roads-disruption-33b2acb1c11272aa18ec88aa92edbdeb

Good news for Ukraine, though. A lot tougher to re-supply the Russian military from Moscow right now.

"About 135,000 people and 18,000 pieces of equipment were involved in the snow-clearing effort. Nearly 200 trucks got stuck in the snow over the past 24 hours"
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Zelensky has put all his personal money into the war effort. He’s a pauper. Slava Ukraina
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Anonymous wrote:There is no doubt Ukrainians have suffered enormous casualties. Maybe not as bad as Russians, who are losing almost a 1000 a day in places like Avdiivka.



This is a serious war. Saw a report that indicates that Russians have less than a 4 percent chance of surviving a year on the front. I'm sure it's similar for Ukrainian soldiers.


Speaking of BS...

Russia would have had to have lost their entire army almost twice over for your 4 percent figure to be even remotely possible. Given what we can guess about Russian force size and casualties, its probably more like a 4 percent chance of dying since the start of the SMO.

If you want to see Russian casualties, you can just look here: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

There was an uptick in October when Russia started pushing on Avdeevka, but it wasn't even 1,000 for the month on all fronts combined.

And surely you must realize that if Russia was losing 1,000 a day there, then they wouldn't be winning that battle.


That's completely false. UK and other intelligence services have independently confirmed a high in daily numbers of Russian casualties near 1000 at Avdiivka. Only 1000 troops lost in Russia in a month is absolute laughable delusion.


Mediazona's info is solely based on info released by or confirmed by Russian government sources. They are greatly undercounting deaths.


They use publicly available documents. When someone dies in this day and age, it creates a paper trail. Mediazona has the names, ranks, date of death and other information. Who do you think they are missing? Can you name an individual you think died but isn't listed? Do you think they are systematically missing people from certain regions, or population groups? Where are the bodies?

Intel agency data is in the "trust me bro" tier. Where do their numbers come from, and what data corroborates their counts? Do you know their methodology? Intelligence agencies produce reports they find useful, not necessarily truthful.



That website states that it is an undercount and “The actual death toll is likely significantly higher. ”

Note that Russia also has a lot of PMC’s, prisoners, and other irregular troops that are not counted. Not to mention militias from the Donbas that are not counted.


Prigozhin said he lost 20k troops just in Bakhmut.



Russia is losing roughly 15,000-20,000 soldiers per month in Ukraine. More lately because of how awful the fighting is in Adviika. Most are mobiks from the hinterlands. The smart ones in Moscow and St. Petersburg all left at the start of the war. There are now huge Russian populations in Indonesia and Turkey.

Technically, Russia can absorb these losses of men. It's a big country. It's their equipment losses that are a problem. Thousands of tanks, not to mention all the armored personnel carriers, artillery etc.

This is a really grim war. You can go to twitter or telegram or reddit and see it all. It's horrible.

I think Ukrainians understand this is going to be a long war. And so they are in soldier preservation mode. They are on defense. Would not expect a major offensive from Ukrainians in the foreseeable future. They're just trying to survive. Ukraine has 44 million people. Russia has 143 million people

We've reached the point where life preservation for Ukrainian soldiers has become pretty important. Russians don't care at all.


Huge numbers of Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut, at Vuhledar, at Avdiivka and many other places. Russia is wasting its future on a war that is causing it massive attrition - even as Russia heads into a crisis of population collapse.


Any estimates that can't address the questions of "what were their names?" and "where are their bodies?" is probably a hoax to some degree.

The people claiming big numbers of Russian dead have a problem with the bodies. Early in the war Ukrainian propaganda at least was talking about mobile crematoriums. Then it devolved into "meat cubes," now they are too lazy to even attempt to solve the body problem. They just act like Russians come out of some cloning lab and despawn when hit.


No. You missed the articles about the backed up trucks at the crematoriums. Go back about 200 pages. Now Russia mostly leaves the bodies lying around wherever. Apparently dead Russian soldiers aren't worth wasting the vehicles or fuel to transport back anymore since it's winter and another 4 months before anything is likely done about it. But if you believe that the Russians are 'winning' or that they aren't dying in huge numbers, maybe you can explain where the 25th Combined Arms Army is right now and why they were committed? https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-army-15-000-soldiers-145402713.html





I'm completely at a loss as to what you are implying with the 25th with that article from September. Are you implying that rotating forces is some sort of sign of disaster? Rotations are what any competent army does. You don't leave troops on the front indefinitely to be ground down, unless you are Ukraine which seems to think that's a great plan.

This fatigue factor is a large part of why Russia inflicts such disproportionate casualties and why Ukrainians surrender so easily.


Oh. I see. Since you seem confident, perhaps you can answer these questions.

Did the 25th overrun Bakhmut? Did the 25th completely overwhelm the Ukrainian forces there?

Take a look at the map of Ukraine, then take a look at the currently held territory by the Russians.
https://www.nzz.ch/english/ukraine-war-interactive-map-of-the-current-front-line-ld.1688087

Russians have taken, let's say, 20% of Ukrainian territory. Doesn't it seem odd to you that in the past year the Russians (with a 3:1 numerical advantage, claiming to never take any losses, with Ukrainians surrendering all over the place because they're taking massive casualties) can't do any better than that?

How about Russian propaganda videos. See any "victory laps" taken by Russian soldiers returning home? Guess what.

"The Russian government has approved a resolution that brings the regulatory framework in the field of military registration into line with the decision to raise the draft age to 30 years"
"Changes to the law will come into force on January 1, 2024."
"At the same time, the president also signed a law that introduces a ban on leaving Russia for a citizen from the moment he is served with a summons."
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/6560daca9a7947298b1855b6?from=article_body

"The Ministry of Defense proposed changing “the organization of medical examinations of citizens with diseases that do not have a significant impact on the ability to perform the duties of military service,”
"The document will amend the Regulations on military medical examination. It, in particular, stipulates in the presence of which diseases (17 categories) citizens are assigned one or another category of fitness for military service."
https://www.rbc.ru/society/03/12/2023/656cb4bf9a7947f53c0f97ea?from=from_main_1

What happens when the laundry of soldiers with infectious diseases are washed together?
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Anonymous wrote:There is no doubt Ukrainians have suffered enormous casualties. Maybe not as bad as Russians, who are losing almost a 1000 a day in places like Avdiivka.



This is a serious war. Saw a report that indicates that Russians have less than a 4 percent chance of surviving a year on the front. I'm sure it's similar for Ukrainian soldiers.


Speaking of BS...

Russia would have had to have lost their entire army almost twice over for your 4 percent figure to be even remotely possible. Given what we can guess about Russian force size and casualties, its probably more like a 4 percent chance of dying since the start of the SMO.

If you want to see Russian casualties, you can just look here: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

There was an uptick in October when Russia started pushing on Avdeevka, but it wasn't even 1,000 for the month on all fronts combined.

And surely you must realize that if Russia was losing 1,000 a day there, then they wouldn't be winning that battle.


That's completely false. UK and other intelligence services have independently confirmed a high in daily numbers of Russian casualties near 1000 at Avdiivka. Only 1000 troops lost in Russia in a month is absolute laughable delusion.


Mediazona's info is solely based on info released by or confirmed by Russian government sources. They are greatly undercounting deaths.


They use publicly available documents. When someone dies in this day and age, it creates a paper trail. Mediazona has the names, ranks, date of death and other information. Who do you think they are missing? Can you name an individual you think died but isn't listed? Do you think they are systematically missing people from certain regions, or population groups? Where are the bodies?

Intel agency data is in the "trust me bro" tier. Where do their numbers come from, and what data corroborates their counts? Do you know their methodology? Intelligence agencies produce reports they find useful, not necessarily truthful.



That website states that it is an undercount and “The actual death toll is likely significantly higher. ”

Note that Russia also has a lot of PMC’s, prisoners, and other irregular troops that are not counted. Not to mention militias from the Donbas that are not counted.


Prigozhin said he lost 20k troops just in Bakhmut.



Russia is losing roughly 15,000-20,000 soldiers per month in Ukraine. More lately because of how awful the fighting is in Adviika. Most are mobiks from the hinterlands. The smart ones in Moscow and St. Petersburg all left at the start of the war. There are now huge Russian populations in Indonesia and Turkey.

Technically, Russia can absorb these losses of men. It's a big country. It's their equipment losses that are a problem. Thousands of tanks, not to mention all the armored personnel carriers, artillery etc.

This is a really grim war. You can go to twitter or telegram or reddit and see it all. It's horrible.

I think Ukrainians understand this is going to be a long war. And so they are in soldier preservation mode. They are on defense. Would not expect a major offensive from Ukrainians in the foreseeable future. They're just trying to survive. Ukraine has 44 million people. Russia has 143 million people

We've reached the point where life preservation for Ukrainian soldiers has become pretty important. Russians don't care at all.


Huge numbers of Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut, at Vuhledar, at Avdiivka and many other places. Russia is wasting its future on a war that is causing it massive attrition - even as Russia heads into a crisis of population collapse.


Any estimates that can't address the questions of "what were their names?" and "where are their bodies?" is probably a hoax to some degree.

The people claiming big numbers of Russian dead have a problem with the bodies. Early in the war Ukrainian propaganda at least was talking about mobile crematoriums. Then it devolved into "meat cubes," now they are too lazy to even attempt to solve the body problem. They just act like Russians come out of some cloning lab and despawn when hit.


No. You missed the articles about the backed up trucks at the crematoriums. Go back about 200 pages. Now Russia mostly leaves the bodies lying around wherever. Apparently dead Russian soldiers aren't worth wasting the vehicles or fuel to transport back anymore since it's winter and another 4 months before anything is likely done about it. But if you believe that the Russians are 'winning' or that they aren't dying in huge numbers, maybe you can explain where the 25th Combined Arms Army is right now and why they were committed? https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-army-15-000-soldiers-145402713.html





I'm completely at a loss as to what you are implying with the 25th with that article from September. Are you implying that rotating forces is some sort of sign of disaster? Rotations are what any competent army does. You don't leave troops on the front indefinitely to be ground down, unless you are Ukraine which seems to think that's a great plan.

This fatigue factor is a large part of why Russia inflicts such disproportionate casualties and why Ukrainians surrender so easily.


Oh. I see. Since you seem confident, perhaps you can answer these questions.

Did the 25th overrun Bakhmut? Did the 25th completely overwhelm the Ukrainian forces there?

Take a look at the map of Ukraine, then take a look at the currently held territory by the Russians.
https://www.nzz.ch/english/ukraine-war-interactive-map-of-the-current-front-line-ld.1688087

Russians have taken, let's say, 20% of Ukrainian territory. Doesn't it seem odd to you that in the past year the Russians (with a 3:1 numerical advantage, claiming to never take any losses, with Ukrainians surrendering all over the place because they're taking massive casualties) can't do any better than that?

How about Russian propaganda videos. See any "victory laps" taken by Russian soldiers returning home? Guess what.

"The Russian government has approved a resolution that brings the regulatory framework in the field of military registration into line with the decision to raise the draft age to 30 years"
"Changes to the law will come into force on January 1, 2024."
"At the same time, the president also signed a law that introduces a ban on leaving Russia for a citizen from the moment he is served with a summons."
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/6560daca9a7947298b1855b6?from=article_body

"The Ministry of Defense proposed changing “the organization of medical examinations of citizens with diseases that do not have a significant impact on the ability to perform the duties of military service,”
"The document will amend the Regulations on military medical examination. It, in particular, stipulates in the presence of which diseases (17 categories) citizens are assigned one or another category of fitness for military service."
https://www.rbc.ru/society/03/12/2023/656cb4bf9a7947f53c0f97ea?from=from_main_1

What happens when the laundry of soldiers with infectious diseases are washed together?


You're the most incomprehensible poster on this thread, whether human or ai. Russia/Wagner took Artemovsk last spring, so what are you trying to say about the 25th rotating in the fall? If you think the 25th was destroyed or something, just state it and show what evidence you have.

Also in terms of total forces in this conflict, the ratio has been pretty close to 1-1, not 3-1. Both sides have somewhere around 400K soldiers in Ukraine. There may be localized advantages, but its pretty even in the entire conflict zone.

Since you mentioned surrenders, why are there roughly 20 Ukrainian POWs for every Russian one? Why is Russia "hosting" 10,000+ POWs when they lack the fuel or humanity to even collect their own dead?
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Anonymous wrote:There is no doubt Ukrainians have suffered enormous casualties. Maybe not as bad as Russians, who are losing almost a 1000 a day in places like Avdiivka.



This is a serious war. Saw a report that indicates that Russians have less than a 4 percent chance of surviving a year on the front. I'm sure it's similar for Ukrainian soldiers.


Speaking of BS...

Russia would have had to have lost their entire army almost twice over for your 4 percent figure to be even remotely possible. Given what we can guess about Russian force size and casualties, its probably more like a 4 percent chance of dying since the start of the SMO.

If you want to see Russian casualties, you can just look here: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

There was an uptick in October when Russia started pushing on Avdeevka, but it wasn't even 1,000 for the month on all fronts combined.

And surely you must realize that if Russia was losing 1,000 a day there, then they wouldn't be winning that battle.


That's completely false. UK and other intelligence services have independently confirmed a high in daily numbers of Russian casualties near 1000 at Avdiivka. Only 1000 troops lost in Russia in a month is absolute laughable delusion.


Mediazona's info is solely based on info released by or confirmed by Russian government sources. They are greatly undercounting deaths.


They use publicly available documents. When someone dies in this day and age, it creates a paper trail. Mediazona has the names, ranks, date of death and other information. Who do you think they are missing? Can you name an individual you think died but isn't listed? Do you think they are systematically missing people from certain regions, or population groups? Where are the bodies?

Intel agency data is in the "trust me bro" tier. Where do their numbers come from, and what data corroborates their counts? Do you know their methodology? Intelligence agencies produce reports they find useful, not necessarily truthful.



That website states that it is an undercount and “The actual death toll is likely significantly higher. ”

Note that Russia also has a lot of PMC’s, prisoners, and other irregular troops that are not counted. Not to mention militias from the Donbas that are not counted.


Prigozhin said he lost 20k troops just in Bakhmut.



Russia is losing roughly 15,000-20,000 soldiers per month in Ukraine. More lately because of how awful the fighting is in Adviika. Most are mobiks from the hinterlands. The smart ones in Moscow and St. Petersburg all left at the start of the war. There are now huge Russian populations in Indonesia and Turkey.

Technically, Russia can absorb these losses of men. It's a big country. It's their equipment losses that are a problem. Thousands of tanks, not to mention all the armored personnel carriers, artillery etc.

This is a really grim war. You can go to twitter or telegram or reddit and see it all. It's horrible.

I think Ukrainians understand this is going to be a long war. And so they are in soldier preservation mode. They are on defense. Would not expect a major offensive from Ukrainians in the foreseeable future. They're just trying to survive. Ukraine has 44 million people. Russia has 143 million people

We've reached the point where life preservation for Ukrainian soldiers has become pretty important. Russians don't care at all.


Huge numbers of Russian soldiers died at Bakhmut, at Vuhledar, at Avdiivka and many other places. Russia is wasting its future on a war that is causing it massive attrition - even as Russia heads into a crisis of population collapse.


Any estimates that can't address the questions of "what were their names?" and "where are their bodies?" is probably a hoax to some degree.

The people claiming big numbers of Russian dead have a problem with the bodies. Early in the war Ukrainian propaganda at least was talking about mobile crematoriums. Then it devolved into "meat cubes," now they are too lazy to even attempt to solve the body problem. They just act like Russians come out of some cloning lab and despawn when hit.


There's no "body problem" in the narrative. Every single day there are brand new videos coming out showing battlefields and trenches littered with dozens of Russian corpses, just abandoned and left behind to decay and literally fulfil the metaphor of becoming fertilizer for sunflowers. Putin does not care enough about their names to have their bodies recovered and given a proper funeral. And their families back home in Ingushetia or wherever else will just be lied to, told they are still at the front fighting, or ran away and went awol, or maybe if their disappearance drags on long enough, the government will eventually give them a loaf of bread for their troubles. That's just the fact of what's been going on.


So Russia is losing a thousand guys a day in Avdeevka alone, and just leaving the bodies there? And this has been going on for two months? Shouldn't this leave absolute mountains of bodies? Surely you guys have pictures of these mountains right?


You mean under the snow? Pfft. You'll have to wait until April.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-heavy-snow-flight-roads-disruption-33b2acb1c11272aa18ec88aa92edbdeb

Good news for Ukraine, though. A lot tougher to re-supply the Russian military from Moscow right now.

"About 135,000 people and 18,000 pieces of equipment were involved in the snow-clearing effort. Nearly 200 trucks got stuck in the snow over the past 24 hours"


Snow can be cleared a lot quicker than blockading trucks along the Polish border. I know which problem I would rather have. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/05/ukrainian-lorry-drivers-facing-polish-blockades-medyka
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