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Or you shoot them down as Ukraine does. |
U.S. troops have no business going to Iran. It’s unpatriotic to be so careless with their lives. |
Well that would mean you would have to actually work with the Ukrainians. The US is working with the Russians and they do not share. In fact they treat us like an enemy. |
They have sworn an oath to Trump. They are his troops. |
They didn't swear an oath to Trump, they swore it to the US Constitution. |
Commissioned Officers only swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. They do not swear an oath to the President (CIC) nor the Officers above them. Which is why senior Officers need to stand trial for war crimes if they do not retire or refuse illegal orders. For example, 4 Star Admiral Alvin Holsey, who refused to murder fishermen in Venezuela. https://www.army.mil/values/officers.html "I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God." |
Obama did not give Iran a pallet of cash. He returned Iran's own cash that the USA was holding and refusing to return to them. Why any country would put all its money into the American system after that is crazy. Now with that said, I don't understand the part of Trump's lifting of the Iran sanctions to sell oil to certain countries, but then state that Iran would not have access to the money. Why would Iran sell to those countries? Iran is better off sticking to their deal with China and getting paid in the yuan. |
Is that equivalent to the Panama Canal, where Panama charges a fee? |
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Trump says he wants to wind down the war. Let’s translate that.
The US is out of interceptor, out of tomahawks, losing a plane a day, can not protect their bases, the F-35 can not fly over Iran, carriers are forced 500 miles out to sea, etc. and now has to commit ground troops. We lost. Can we brush off the Afghanistan and Benghazi threads and use the same arguments against Trump and republicans? Remember those patriots attacked Biden for the tactical deployment of a squad in Afghanistan. Clinton who was Secretary of State was attacked for not deploying US military assets. Let’s hear what they have to say about Trump’s Iran disaster- his deployment of squads, friendly fire, etc. |
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Non-commissioned enlisted soldiers are different. Their oath is to follow the orders of the CIC and the Officers above them, along with defending the Constitution. They deserve at least an ounce of Grace. They are not lawyers, there is a chain of command, and their lives will be ruined if they disobey orders. They're also the ones who die or have PTSD when they're forced to participate on either side of a meat grinder.
And history in America has shown that Officers who commit crimes are cowards when it comes to a mea culpa and it's the soldier that goes to prison for disobeying orders. https://www.army.mil/values/oath.html "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." |
| Word is Trump will give all personal that participate in this war the Medal of Honor. |
My mom went to Walter reed er they told her they weren’t admitting (if needed) because they were closing off floors and reserving for injuries and causalities. If she needed to be admitted she’d be transferred to another hospital. So either we have more injuries and causalities than expected already or they expect it. |
Who cares about a medal? 🏅 I would rather be alive. |
It’s only prudent that all US military hospitals prepare for casualties. This is a major war that Trump has launched. It sounds like standard operating procedure. I’m sure they did the same thing when we invaded Iraq 23 years ago. |
This war has nothing to do with Iran’s actual actions, just like any other state like Ethiopia conducting a massacre does not interest the US. This is about oil and Israel. The Iranian civilians mean nothing to the posters on this cite. |