Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC has gone a great job fighting Russia with Ukranian lives. I wonder when/ if they will notice.

When they notice they will rage against America and look to Putin. Wait for it.

Not they, nor likely even the Russians eventually, will look to Putin for anything except as an example of shocking criminality and disregard for human life.

[Anonymous]

Hard to say what exactly is going on, but Ukrainian Channel 1+1 broadcast the total number of Ukrainian KIA and MIA. It was an oddly specific number: 1,126,652.

Is this a soft disclosure, the result of internal political jockeying, a prank or something else? Its long been suspected that Ukraine has minimized deaths by calling them missing, and this would help put that in perspective.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

He is quoted as saying this can’t happen if Ukraine is in the state of conflict.
There were also suggestions that Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia could become candidates even without their annexed parts (not sure how serious it is).
I think we will spectating The Great Bargaining soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

He is quoted as saying this can’t happen if Ukraine is in the state of conflict.
There were also suggestions that Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia could become candidates even without their annexed parts (not sure how serious it is).
I think we will spectating The Great Bargaining soon.

NATO’s charter states that no nation may be admitted with current territory issues. As far as I know the only time it was enforced was when a newly united Germany was forced to officially recognize the current boundary with Poland. Germany forever ceded over a quarter of its historic lands to Poland. It also pissed off a bunch of ethnic Germans who were ethnically cleaned by the Poles from those lands after Germany’s defeat.

[Anonymous]

In audio intercepts from the front lines in Ukraine, Russian soldiers speak in shorthand of 200s to mean dead, 300s to mean wounded. The urge to flee has become common enough that they also talk of 500s — people who refuse to fight.

As the war grinds into its second winter, a growing number of Russian soldiers want out, as suggested in secret recordings obtained by The Associated Press of Russian soldiers calling home from the battlefields of the Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk regions in Ukraine.

The calls offer a rare glimpse of the war as it looked through Russian eyes — a point of view that seldom makes its way into Western media, largely because Russia has made it a crime to speak honestly about the conflict in Ukraine ..

..After four months in Ukraine, Andrei concluded that his life meant nothing to Moscow.

Called up for military service from a small town in Russia’s far east, he soon found himself in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk province, on the southern approach to Bakhmut.

Andrei’s unit was taking heavy losses, and no one was even shooting back at the Ukrainians, he said. People were dying from friendly fire. Mobilized men like him were being forced to sign contracts.

“The mobilized are not considered humans,” he told his mother. “No one gives a damn about us. They think that for 200,000 (rubles) we should die here.”

Mutiny was in the air.

Andrei: I’m telling you, you just start going nuts here, like everything pisses you off. Because you can’t do s--- about it. Nobody gives a s---. It’s a half year and that’s it. F--- them. If they don’t relieve us, if they don’t pull us out, the whole company will just walk away. They can’t put a crowd of 100 people on trial.

Mother: They have no right to keep you longer.

Andrei: No one gives a damn here. We were told the other day that they forgot about us a little bit here. But they didn’t just forget about us — they f----- us.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-russian-soldiers-intercepted-audio-d2418788051731a32689feb821cd29ec

Interesting reading. There will be a lot of dead Russians this winter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

He is quoted as saying this can’t happen if Ukraine is in the state of conflict.
There were also suggestions that Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia could become candidates even without their annexed parts (not sure how serious it is).
I think we will spectating The Great Bargaining soon.

NATO’s charter states that no nation may be admitted with current territory issues. As far as I know the only time it was enforced was when a newly united Germany was forced to officially recognize the current boundary with Poland. Germany forever ceded over a quarter of its historic lands to Poland. It also pissed off a bunch of ethnic Germans who were ethnically cleaned by the Poles from those lands after Germany’s defeat.

Right, so does it mean that in theory the three countries may be admitted if they officially cede their territories to Russia or recognize their independence? Sounds crazy but what if the negotiations are around these issues?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

In audio intercepts from the front lines in Ukraine, Russian soldiers speak in shorthand of 200s to mean dead, 300s to mean wounded. The urge to flee has become common enough that they also talk of 500s — people who refuse to fight.

As the war grinds into its second winter, a growing number of Russian soldiers want out, as suggested in secret recordings obtained by The Associated Press of Russian soldiers calling home from the battlefields of the Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk regions in Ukraine.

The calls offer a rare glimpse of the war as it looked through Russian eyes — a point of view that seldom makes its way into Western media, largely because Russia has made it a crime to speak honestly about the conflict in Ukraine ..

..After four months in Ukraine, Andrei concluded that his life meant nothing to Moscow.

Called up for military service from a small town in Russia’s far east, he soon found himself in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk province, on the southern approach to Bakhmut.

Andrei’s unit was taking heavy losses, and no one was even shooting back at the Ukrainians, he said. People were dying from friendly fire. Mobilized men like him were being forced to sign contracts.

“The mobilized are not considered humans,” he told his mother. “No one gives a damn about us. They think that for 200,000 (rubles) we should die here.”

Mutiny was in the air.

Andrei: I’m telling you, you just start going nuts here, like everything pisses you off. Because you can’t do s--- about it. Nobody gives a s---. It’s a half year and that’s it. F--- them. If they don’t relieve us, if they don’t pull us out, the whole company will just walk away. They can’t put a crowd of 100 people on trial.

Mother: They have no right to keep you longer.

Andrei: No one gives a damn here. We were told the other day that they forgot about us a little bit here. But they didn’t just forget about us — they f----- us.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-russian-soldiers-intercepted-audio-d2418788051731a32689feb821cd29ec

Interesting reading. There will be a lot of dead Russians this winter.

I am sure there’s plenty of similar sentiment on the other side too. Time to negotiate?

[Anonymous]

Insight: 'At what cost?' Ukraine strains to bolster its army as war fatigue weighs

Summary
• Psychological toll grows on families of soldiers
• Darker mood seen creeping into Ukrainian society
• Army chief fears stalemate, wants more reserves


The campaign, which has included two protests by 50 to 100 people in Kyiv's main square in recent weeks, illustrates a growing level of exhaustion among Ukrainian troops and the mounting toll that is taking on families back home.

[Anonymous]

The Monaco brigade will wheel into action next in the spring and flank the russkies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

In audio intercepts from the front lines in Ukraine, Russian soldiers speak in shorthand of 200s to mean dead, 300s to mean wounded. The urge to flee has become common enough that they also talk of 500s — people who refuse to fight.

As the war grinds into its second winter, a growing number of Russian soldiers want out, as suggested in secret recordings obtained by The Associated Press of Russian soldiers calling home from the battlefields of the Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk regions in Ukraine.

The calls offer a rare glimpse of the war as it looked through Russian eyes — a point of view that seldom makes its way into Western media, largely because Russia has made it a crime to speak honestly about the conflict in Ukraine ..

..After four months in Ukraine, Andrei concluded that his life meant nothing to Moscow.

Called up for military service from a small town in Russia’s far east, he soon found himself in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk province, on the southern approach to Bakhmut.

Andrei’s unit was taking heavy losses, and no one was even shooting back at the Ukrainians, he said. People were dying from friendly fire. Mobilized men like him were being forced to sign contracts.

“The mobilized are not considered humans,” he told his mother. “No one gives a damn about us. They think that for 200,000 (rubles) we should die here.”

Mutiny was in the air.

Andrei: I’m telling you, you just start going nuts here, like everything pisses you off. Because you can’t do s--- about it. Nobody gives a s---. It’s a half year and that’s it. F--- them. If they don’t relieve us, if they don’t pull us out, the whole company will just walk away. They can’t put a crowd of 100 people on trial.

Mother: They have no right to keep you longer.

Andrei: No one gives a damn here. We were told the other day that they forgot about us a little bit here. But they didn’t just forget about us — they f----- us.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-russian-soldiers-intercepted-audio-d2418788051731a32689feb821cd29ec

Interesting reading. There will be a lot of dead Russians this winter.

You do realize by now that they just write an article about Ukrainian suffering then do a find-replace to turn them into Russians right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

In audio intercepts from the front lines in Ukraine, Russian soldiers speak in shorthand of 200s to mean dead, 300s to mean wounded. The urge to flee has become common enough that they also talk of 500s — people who refuse to fight.

As the war grinds into its second winter, a growing number of Russian soldiers want out, as suggested in secret recordings obtained by The Associated Press of Russian soldiers calling home from the battlefields of the Kharkiv, Luhansk and Donetsk regions in Ukraine.

The calls offer a rare glimpse of the war as it looked through Russian eyes — a point of view that seldom makes its way into Western media, largely because Russia has made it a crime to speak honestly about the conflict in Ukraine ..

..After four months in Ukraine, Andrei concluded that his life meant nothing to Moscow.

Called up for military service from a small town in Russia’s far east, he soon found himself in eastern Ukraine’s Donetsk province, on the southern approach to Bakhmut.

Andrei’s unit was taking heavy losses, and no one was even shooting back at the Ukrainians, he said. People were dying from friendly fire. Mobilized men like him were being forced to sign contracts.

“The mobilized are not considered humans,” he told his mother. “No one gives a damn about us. They think that for 200,000 (rubles) we should die here.”

Mutiny was in the air.

Andrei: I’m telling you, you just start going nuts here, like everything pisses you off. Because you can’t do s--- about it. Nobody gives a s---. It’s a half year and that’s it. F--- them. If they don’t relieve us, if they don’t pull us out, the whole company will just walk away. They can’t put a crowd of 100 people on trial.

Mother: They have no right to keep you longer.

Andrei: No one gives a damn here. We were told the other day that they forgot about us a little bit here. But they didn’t just forget about us — they f----- us.

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-russian-soldiers-intercepted-audio-d2418788051731a32689feb821cd29ec

Interesting reading. There will be a lot of dead Russians this winter.

You do realize by now that they just write an article about Ukrainian suffering then do a find-replace to turn them into Russians right?

Adding context: here's one of many POW interviews from the last few weeks. They don't have to make up intercepted communications, they can just ask one of the thousands of soldiers who surrendered lately.

As an aside, how old do you think that guy is?

[Anonymous]

So much going on in Ukraine these days. Just a taste:

More important than the grim facts of 97+% casualties and 54 year old soldiers on average, is the tenor of this interview. Its not an interview that you give unless you are completely fed up.

[Anonymous]

Let the Ukranian oligarchs spend their fortunes on this war.

And let them provide their sons too, for the front.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let the Ukranian oligarchs spend their fortunes on this war.

And let them provide their sons too, for the front.

Speaking of fortunes, seems like this was one way the political class got in on the action: