Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…
You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.
At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.
DP. Good riddance
Then why bother to redistrict in the first place? You’re just playing a game of swap the LMC/MC families.
Oh that’s right, we’re just trying to bring everyone down to the LCD.
Are you triggered?
I’m pissed for sure, but only about the loss of my community. Funny thing is I don’t even care about the financial hit that much, and as you already know my kids aren’t going to be going to school with yours.
Question for you. You just won. Why come on here and troll others who just lost? Is it because for you, the real win is dragging other people down? Think about that one for a bit.
Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.
Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.
How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?
How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.
In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.
Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.
Advocate for vouchers. At the state level, this is possible to achieve
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.
How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?
How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.
In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.
Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.
This will not be an immediate change. Upperclassmen who are moved are likely to have their immediate access to advanced courses restricted in hopes of eventually increasing offerings for future students. Again, this is my main concern and it was echoed by at least one other school board member, Miren I believe. There will likely be a delay in bringing Lewis up to speed and the initial class of juniors that get transferred will likely suffer impacts to the competitiveness for top colleges.
Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.
Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.
Why not help “poor schools”?
Sending my kids to a school I didn’t sign up for is different than providing resources for that school. In pushing for the former, you’ve now made me adamantly opposed to the latter.
Anonymous wrote:So is FCPS going to turn all shitty like Florida and everyone should go to private or charter schools?
Homeschooling is a great option.
NoVA has some great co-ops and supplemental classes.
An abundance of fun field trip options too.
I bet the Great Falls families who decide against sticking with FCPS and who don’t want to (or can’t reasonably) shell out 50k for private could lay out 1/5 of that each, get together and have one hell of a co-op.
It’s especially easy at the elementary level but high school is doable too.
As long as they pay their taxes it will be fine with everyone else if they go off the grid.
Why wouldn’t it be?
Leaving the system isn’t a punishment. It’s just a choice and one that many families already make.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.
How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?
How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.
In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.
Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.
This will not be an immediate change. Upperclassmen who are moved are likely to have their immediate access to advanced courses restricted in hopes of eventually increasing offerings for future students. Again, this is my main concern and it was echoed by at least one other school board member, Miren I believe. There will likely be a delay in bringing Lewis up to speed and the initial class of juniors that get transferred will likely suffer impacts to the competitiveness for top colleges.
Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.
Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.
Why not help “poor schools”?
Sending my kids to a school I didn’t sign up for is different than providing resources for that school. In pushing for the former, you’ve now made me adamantly opposed to the latter.
What were you previously doing to help poor schools?
Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.
Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.
Lots of code language there.
Who are “people”? What are “poor schools” as opposed to, say, schools with more low-income kids than Langley? What are “these kinds of schools” and “schools like the city”?
Anonymous wrote:People never want to send their kids to poor schools. This isn’t a surprise and it’s not an attitude that will change. The scores, graduation rates, the absenteeism. the disciplanary numbers are all public are not great.
Many people live in the suburbs vs the city to escape these kinds of schools and sacrifice the commute in return. Fairfax is just like any other suburb in that regard. If the schools all turn into schools like the city, many may rethink that decision and or move again.
Lots of code language there.
Who are “people”? What are “poor schools” as opposed to, say, schools with more low-income kids than Langley? What are “these kinds of schools” and “schools like the city”?
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
Ok, hypothetically:
Boundary changes happen and now more poor and diverse kids go to your pyramid. GreatSchools score takes a hit on Zillow. The ultra-wealthy from California and Seattle now refuse to pay 300k over the assessment for homes in your neighborhood. This leaves room for younger mid-grade federal employees and other public servants, from teachers to custodians, to buy and live and work in Fairfax County, just like they used to in the 90s.
How has your own child's education specifically been negatively impacted?
How my own child's education is impacted: now my kid is moving between 10th and 11th grade, completely loses continuity with her school clubs and sports and social groups/friends. Academically, everything is unfamiliar from the courses and path to graduation to the teachers who teach them. She is now exposed to more disciplinary problems, drugs, gang members (yes, not an exaggeration, they are a reality at Lewis). There is no explanation that paints a silver lining for her. But I will make sure she understands there are SJWs who believe she and her cohort are educational martyrs who are fixing the system for FARMS kids and no one else will have to go through what she is going through.
In terms of academics, it’s not just that it is unfamiliar it’s that many advanced courses may not even be available. At least one school board member made this point last night. Not committing to grandfather rising juniors tells me moving them is on the table. Junior year is critical for college admissions and the fact that the school board as whole will not commit to supporting at least that one cohort is disappointing to say the least.
Advocate for more AP in your new school. Contribute to the community.
This will not be an immediate change. Upperclassmen who are moved are likely to have their immediate access to advanced courses restricted in hopes of eventually increasing offerings for future students. Again, this is my main concern and it was echoed by at least one other school board member, Miren I believe. There will likely be a delay in bringing Lewis up to speed and the initial class of juniors that get transferred will likely suffer impacts to the competitiveness for top colleges.
Take classes at Nova
The bottom line is that some kids may be hurt in an attempt to help others. Some school board members recommended reasonable phasing and grandfathering to mitigate this potential harm, but the bulk of the board seemed fine with shocking the system with an immediate shift.
Anonymous wrote:The best nugget of info out of this meeting (because boundary adjustments are a foregone conclusion) is from Dr. Reid's response to Mateo Dunne's question about boundary changes: she stated that HS boundaries will not change much at all, and most of the boundary changes will be at the ES level.
That’s interesting, I wonder why they decided to do that. Most kids attend the closest ES unless they’re at a split feeder or in an attendance island. The kids who have a long ES bus ride would have one regardless because they live in a far-flung area like Clifton or Great Falls. Or they’re getting bussed to the AAP center …
This is false. Anyone with eyes can look at a map of the school boundaries to see lots of elementary schools completely disconnected from their communities.
Such as??
Westbriar, Keene Mill, Flint Hill, Sangster, etc.
The one no-brainer move coming from a savant who spends too much time on Zillow and has no dog in the fight, the Groveland/Green Garland drive area zoned for Sangster will move to Newington Forest and will become part of the South County pyramid.
I can see that happening, although that’s a really small neighborhood that probably won’t make too much of a difference either way.
As a Lorton resident I wonder if the infamous Hagel Circle will continue to get bussed past 95 to Halley or if they will get sent to the much closer Gunston. That’s a hot potato.
I was shocked to learn that Hagel Ct students didn’t go to Lorton Station ES. It’s only a mile away!
That’s one of the equity bussing situations. Sending those kids to the comparatively rich Halley makes Halley and Gunston both around 40% FARMS, and Lorton Station around 55%. Otherwise Halley would have demographics similar to Silverbrook which has single digit FARMS, and Gunston or Lorton Station would be much higher needs.
I imagine if they changed it it would be to send those kids to Gunston so they can stay at South County, as opposed to Lorton Station/Hayfield. But also, without that big neighborhood Halley’s population would drop quite a bit and there’s really nowhere for them to pick up kids from since that is not a growth area of the county.
This may have been their intention when they assigned these attendance islands, but they’re seeing the negative impacts. If kids miss the bus, they’re likely missing school that day, when in some cases, there’s another elementary school within walking distance.
Very true and I’m sure there is a lot of absenteeism coming from that area. A lot of families don’t have cars. If the kid misses the school bus there’s no way to get them to school.
+ 1 never thought of this but I’m positive this is happening.
These are the types of nuances that people who support “keeping things the same” don’t think about. I’m glad that the school board is taking a look at this in a holistic way. Issues like chronic absenteeism only put kids in that community further and further behind, which leads to more stress on the educators and other school resources.
You don’t know what nuance I think about. You’re just throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks.
I don’t have to throw anything, the motion passed so it’s “up and it’s stuck” already! That reference will likely over your head, it just means your whining is pointless at this point. You should focus that energy on opening up your mind to the possibilities now, since this is no longer a question of IF but WHEN and HOW.
Gloat as much as you want. They’re well on their way to destroying the county schools. Those of us with money will leave, those of us like you will just be stuck with lower SES schools and will never stop your pathetic whining.
That’s the nuance that YOU and your SJW friends don’t think about. Oops.
Oh we did and…WE DO NOT CARE. You think you’re the only one in the county with money? ALL of the houses in FFX cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It’s just empty threats until/unless it happens and even then, things will be fine. Your house will be snapped up quickly and life will go on.
I have to agree. Houses will still be bought for location, etc. Some of the new buyers will simply expect to go private from the get go unlike whose who had the rug pulled out from under them.
Others will embrace the chance to let their child see how the other half lives so they don’t have to hear them whining about having Izumi for dinner AGAIN.
What I would implore any SJW, economically challenged ideologues on this board to do, is looking at property sales over the next few years in the jurisdictions that are at high risk of getting redistricted. You’ll of course try to spin the ensuing drop as something else, but we all know that the number one reason that people buy their houses is for the schools.
I know you don’t care, but each drop represents a loss for the county, both directly and indirectly.
There have been years not too long ago where the highest price appreciation in the county was in the Lee (now Franconia) District. But, sure, every FCPS decision should be made with a view towards protecting property values in Great Falls…
You shout like a madwoman on this board, and people just quietly go about behind the scenes making sure they aren’t impacted.
At the end of the day, you will never be happy, because those UMC families that you desperately, oh so desperately, seek to soak to Make Herndon Great Again, just ain’t interested and have the means not to care. Sure you’ll catch a few families with redistricting, but everyone I know has already moved on or is prepping to.
DP. Good riddance
Then why bother to redistrict in the first place? You’re just playing a game of swap the LMC/MC families.
Oh that’s right, we’re just trying to bring everyone down to the LCD.
Are you triggered?
I’m pissed for sure, but only about the loss of my community. Funny thing is I don’t even care about the financial hit that much, and as you already know my kids aren’t going to be going to school with yours.
Question for you. You just won. Why come on here and troll others who just lost? Is it because for you, the real win is dragging other people down? Think about that one for a bit.
The right decision was made for public education. Enjoy private.
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