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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Do you not understand, behavior plays a huge factor on if you will get covid, even vaccinated AND simple things like distancing, masking and no indoor gatherings go a long way.

Yes, we are aiming for no covid. I hope everyone like you gets it, so you have immunity and it makes it safer for the rest of us.

Immunity from infection probably doesn't last much longer than immunity through vaccination. Nor do either perfectly prevent infection. And that's why COVID isn't going away. I don't think there's any scientific disagreement on that. Talk to your therapist about it so you can work on acceptance.

Its not going away as we need a combination of behavior and vaccines to get rid of it. You should talk to your therapist about being a bully and needing everyone to agree with you when you aren't willing to be part of the solution, only the problem. Its great you can rationalize covid away. I'm sure your therapist can help you with that but you don't get to decide what others consider safe for their families.

Even if it were *possible* to erradicate COVID with behavior and vaccination, we all know it's not going to happen. Any single jurisdiction of moderate size could continue to sustain the virus, which would in turn spread everywhere else unless harsh lockdown measures remained in place forever. Obviously that's not going to happen, which is why the experts overwhelmingly agree we're going to need to live with COVID. If you want to contribute to a solution, you first need to accept reality. While you might feel a personal sense of righteousness when you say we need to work together to erradicate COVID, I suspect even you know that is not practical. So regardless of what you may think of me and my positions on COVID, at least I have a coherent plan/proposal. You just have a wish that has no hope of coming true. There's not much of a "solution" there.

What is your plan?

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Do you not understand, behavior plays a huge factor on if you will get covid, even vaccinated AND simple things like distancing, masking and no indoor gatherings go a long way.

Yes, we are aiming for no covid. I hope everyone like you gets it, so you have immunity and it makes it safer for the rest of us.

China is still pursuing a Zero-Covid strategy. If there's a case, they lock up a town in government quarantine and beat pets to death with crowbars. Is that part of your plan as well?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/15/china/china-dog-killed-covid-mic-intl-hnk/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

What do you mean by "no COVID for this 2021 holiday season?" Do you mean just in your immediate family, or population wide? There's clearly no path for the US to get to zero COVID. Not by 2021, not by 2025. I suppose there could be an unexpected advancement in medical science that could facilitate it, but that is basically like saying you want to erradicate cold viruses and influenza. It's not going to happen anytime soon. Probably not in any of our lifetimes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Do you not understand, behavior plays a huge factor on if you will get covid, even vaccinated AND simple things like distancing, masking and no indoor gatherings go a long way.

Yes, we are aiming for no covid. I hope everyone like you gets it, so you have immunity and it makes it safer for the rest of us.

Immunity from infection probably doesn't last much longer than immunity through vaccination. Nor do either perfectly prevent infection. And that's why COVID isn't going away. I don't think there's any scientific disagreement on that. Talk to your therapist about it so you can work on acceptance.

Vaccines offer more reliable and more lasting (overall) immunity than prior infection.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

What do you mean by "no COVID for this 2021 holiday season?" Do you mean just in your immediate family, or population wide? There's clearly no path for the US to get to zero COVID. Not by 2021, not by 2025. I suppose there could be an unexpected advancement in medical science that could facilitate it, but that is basically like saying you want to erradicate cold viruses and influenza. It's not going to happen anytime soon. Probably not in any of our lifetimes.

Yes, I mean me and my immediate family. I think we are in agreement that "no covid" is not something that can happen on any scale larger than that. That's why the public health approach has to be "lower serious hospitalizations" and not "no more covid," but that then makes it more difficult to justify the booster. Which is why I think people shouldn't feel bad about getting a booster even though they are not 100% in the target population. The "high risk work or home life" is the catchall category but some people are too rule-following to use it.

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

I agree! (NP here) The new anti-viral pills could be a game changer, but they need a bit more time to roll out. This has always been the aim, right? Protect your family until there is a vaccine and treatment. The vaccine is here, and my family at least is doing much, much more than we used to. But we still mask in stores and only spend time indoors with a few vaccinated people we are close to. I'm pleased that schools are still masking for now. But a few months from now (fingers crossed), kids whose parents want them to will be vaccinated; thus a larger percentage of the population will be vaccinated, driving down cases. And better treatments will be readily available for those who catch it anyway. That seems like a game changer, and I'm content with our current habits until March or so when I think things will look much different.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

I agree! (NP here) The new anti-viral pills could be a game changer, but they need a bit more time to roll out. This has always been the aim, right? Protect your family until there is a vaccine and treatment. The vaccine is here, and my family at least is doing much, much more than we used to. But we still mask in stores and only spend time indoors with a few vaccinated people we are close to. I'm pleased that schools are still masking for now. But a few months from now (fingers crossed), kids whose parents want them to will be vaccinated; thus a larger percentage of the population will be vaccinated, driving down cases. And better treatments will be readily available for those who catch it anyway. That seems like a game changer, and I'm content with our current habits until March or so when I think things will look much different.

That’s great you have access to good medical care. We don’t. I cannot get regular new medications to try without a fight. It takes months to get a primary care appointment and if I need a follow up it’s always another doctor. Most of the doctors are residents too and don’t get complex medical conditions. F I get sick enough I fully know it means death.

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That’s great you have access to good medical care. We don’t. I cannot get regular new medications to try without a fight. It takes months to get a primary care appointment and if I need a follow up it’s always another doctor. Most of the doctors are residents too and don’t get complex medical conditions. F I get sick enough I fully know it means death.

PP, I'm sorry that Tricare doesn't work better for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

I agree! (NP here) The new anti-viral pills could be a game changer, but they need a bit more time to roll out. This has always been the aim, right? Protect your family until there is a vaccine and treatment. The vaccine is here, and my family at least is doing much, much more than we used to. But we still mask in stores and only spend time indoors with a few vaccinated people we are close to. I'm pleased that schools are still masking for now. But a few months from now (fingers crossed), kids whose parents want them to will be vaccinated; thus a larger percentage of the population will be vaccinated, driving down cases. And better treatments will be readily available for those who catch it anyway. That seems like a game changer, and I'm content with our current habits until March or so when I think things will look much different.

That’s great you have access to good medical care. We don’t. I cannot get regular new medications to try without a fight. It takes months to get a primary care appointment and if I need a follow up it’s always another doctor. Most of the doctors are residents too and don’t get complex medical conditions. F I get sick enough I fully know it means death.

It sounds like you might need to stay home a bit longer then, or look into new insurance. Others may have a different calculation. Best of luck.

[Anonymous]

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That’s great you have access to good medical care. We don’t. I cannot get regular new medications to try without a fight. It takes months to get a primary care appointment and if I need a follow up it’s always another doctor. Most of the doctors are residents too and don’t get complex medical conditions. F I get sick enough I fully know it means death.

PP, I'm sorry that Tricare doesn't work better for you.

FWIW, I suspect the new Pfizer treatment will be widely available and access will be govt subsidized like the vaccine was. There’s too much at stake to let the virus run rampant in under-vaccinated, low income communities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

I agree! (NP here) The new anti-viral pills could be a game changer, but they need a bit more time to roll out. This has always been the aim, right? Protect your family until there is a vaccine and treatment. The vaccine is here, and my family at least is doing much, much more than we used to. But we still mask in stores and only spend time indoors with a few vaccinated people we are close to. I'm pleased that schools are still masking for now. But a few months from now (fingers crossed), kids whose parents want them to will be vaccinated; thus a larger percentage of the population will be vaccinated, driving down cases. And better treatments will be readily available for those who catch it anyway. That seems like a game changer, and I'm content with our current habits until March or so when I think things will look much different.

You are just kicking a can down the road. Very little is going to be different for you and your immediate in 2022 or 2025 than it is now and you know that. Sure, you kids will be vaccinated. But kids are at low risk of severe outcomes. And you have been vaccinated all this time and it does not seem to have alleviated your anxiety. So I'm skeptical you will change much when your kids are vaccinated. For some people, there will always be a reason to continue with "current habits." I am not going to look back and realize I didn't live life for five years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Do you not understand, behavior plays a huge factor on if you will get covid, even vaccinated AND simple things like distancing, masking and no indoor gatherings go a long way.

Yes, we are aiming for no covid. I hope everyone like you gets it, so you have immunity and it makes it safer for the rest of us.

Immunity from infection probably doesn't last much longer than immunity through vaccination. Nor do either perfectly prevent infection. And that's why COVID isn't going away. I don't think there's any scientific disagreement on that. Talk to your therapist about it so you can work on acceptance.

Vaccines offer more reliable and more lasting (overall) immunity than prior infection.

We don't have any long term studies on these vaccines and people are needing a booster every few months. They aren't offering long lasting immunity. Just short term help, its not even full immunity. It is designed to keep symptoms down. It is not designed for full immunity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I jumped in on page 40 of this thread, so apologies if it's already been said. But you need to read between the lines here. They left the door wide open for covid boosters but stopped short of recommending it for everyone, and this was likely done for very political reasons. It's the difference between public health and personal health. The public health officials are monitoring the virus in terms of serious hospitalizations and death. And the 2-shot vaccine is still effective against that. But someone's personal health decision may be to aim for no covid rather than just no hospitalization. That person would want a booster.

The questions to get a booster ask if you are at higher risk due to your job, and I've seen it also stated that a higher risk home life is also applicable. So for me, I would like to visit with my high risk parents, so I got a booster. Because right now, I want to aim for no covid and not just no hospitalization. I don't see this as a lie. I see this as a nod to the wide open door that lets us determine our own levels of risk.

The issue is many people around the world haven't had one shot and people in the US are getting 3-4 shots. The WHO and other groups who are advocating are concerned part of the spread is not everyone having access to even one shot, which is a reasonable concern.

If you want to aim for no covid, behavior also plays a big factor in it.

Aiming for no COVID is a fool’s errand. Do you still not understand that?

Aiming for no covid for this 2021 holiday season is different from aiming for no covid for the rest of our lives. Every month we learn more and more about treatments, long covid, vaccine antibodies, etc. What we choose in the next 2 months does not lock us into that choice forever. This situation will evolve for years to come.

I agree! (NP here) The new anti-viral pills could be a game changer, but they need a bit more time to roll out. This has always been the aim, right? Protect your family until there is a vaccine and treatment. The vaccine is here, and my family at least is doing much, much more than we used to. But we still mask in stores and only spend time indoors with a few vaccinated people we are close to. I'm pleased that schools are still masking for now. But a few months from now (fingers crossed), kids whose parents want them to will be vaccinated; thus a larger percentage of the population will be vaccinated, driving down cases. And better treatments will be readily available for those who catch it anyway. That seems like a game changer, and I'm content with our current habits until March or so when I think things will look much different.

You are just kicking a can down the road. Very little is going to be different for you and your immediate in 2022 or 2025 than it is now and you know that. Sure, you kids will be vaccinated. But kids are at low risk of severe outcomes. And you have been vaccinated all this time and it does not seem to have alleviated your anxiety. So I'm skeptical you will change much when your kids are vaccinated. For some people, there will always be a reason to continue with "current habits." I am not going to look back and realize I didn't live life for five years.

My kids are vaccinated. We are still being very careful. It has nothing to do with anxiety. We don't want long term health issues associated with covid. We are living our lives. Our lives just look different than yours. We don't need to be selfish and travel right now. We don't need to do large indoor gatherings as they are all proven to be higher risk for spread.

We are not making any improvements towards covid because of people like you and your attitude that your wishes come before the community needs and your are probably on eco those people who scream it takes a village, except you refuse to be part of that village when it doesn't meet your wants.

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That’s great you have access to good medical care. We don’t. I cannot get regular new medications to try without a fight. It takes months to get a primary care appointment and if I need a follow up it’s always another doctor. Most of the doctors are residents too and don’t get complex medical conditions. F I get sick enough I fully know it means death.

PP, I'm sorry that Tricare doesn't work better for you.

FWIW, I suspect the new Pfizer treatment will be widely available and access will be govt subsidized like the vaccine was. There’s too much at stake to let the virus run rampant in under-vaccinated, low income communities.

Its going to be the same issue with low income communities as it is for those of us on other government insurances like medicaid, medicare and tricare where they are refusing us access to the new treatments.