MC police pick up ESS 5 year old; harass & assault him

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

Yeah let’s call the trained psychologist to break up the fight involving six black girls with hair being pulled, blood all over the floor, clothing ripped, and N...... being shouted every five seconds. Do you have any idea what goes on in our public schools?

They do it in the psych ward all the time. This is a 5 yo.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the police officer transporting the child without a proper car seat?

A child hits another with a clipboard.
A child grabs another by the hair and slams their head.
A child hits the teacher.
A child breaks a $1000 computer.
A child leaves school property.
An officer of the law gets in that child’s face and screams at them and taunts them.
An officer of the law tells a child they are bad and encourages mom to whoop that child.
An officer of the law test drives a pair of handcuffs on a five year old.
A mom tells officers and a staff member she can’t beat her child because she’ll lose custody or go to jail but otherwise would.
A mom is suing the MCPD after joking around and smiling at the end of this debacle...

And you are concerned that a five and 1/2 year old is drive 2 blocks without a seatbelt? GMAFB!

This x 1000
Its all bad news. There was much more said than that. Those cops should be fired. That mom should get CPS in home help given the behavior of the child and mandated counseling.

Why is the adult in the room/who ever she is not talking to the child helping him calm down and guide him through the situation? The police scream at the kid but don't engage them and act like fools. The other adult is not helping the child either.

You forgot where mom strips the kid to show officers.
All the inappropriate conversations in front of the kid. Joking and laughing instead of talking to the child appropriately about behavior. They can call the kid bad but can't talk to the child about appropriate behavior. Get down on his level and talk to him calmly.
The name calling by the officers.
Those staff seem horrible. No wonder the kid is running.
Mom has no clue how to parent. She buys him toys then has them throw it away. She spanks and bribes but not work with him on behavior.
The police counseling was inappropriate. They have nothing to offer.
Mother calling kid retarded and other stuff. How she spoke to her child was just as terrible. The all three fed into each other.
No one is teaching this kid deescalation and alternatives to anger and frustration and how to get needs met. No one is listening to him, just yelling.
Mom knows he needs a therapist, didn't get him therapy and saying he doesn't need it.
Mom blaming the school and they are clearly part of the problem but he needs a different school environment.
Mom is just as bad, if not worse as she should have taken her child and left.
Mom is rambling about her and her beliefs.

No one is talking about the child or the child's needs or talking to the child to help figure out what is going on.
This child has SN - he only drinks pedisure and only recently started with chicken nuggets. She should have gotten him evaluated and feeding help as at 5, that's not normal. Pickly is normal, that is not.

Zero reason for Mom to sue as she acted the same way.

+1000000

Agreed

I don’t get the feeling the mom is going to put my money gained by a lawsuit towards the kid.

This is a money grab from the mom AND political posturing from Jawando, who wants to be on the national stage.

This poor kid doesn’t have a chance. My heart goes out to him.

Agree. Moms behavior was an equal problem so not sure why she is suing. Kid was not treated well but this is not sue worthy. Plus now this kid is branded on the internet forever.

She. Wants. Money.

Nobody actually seems to care about this little boy. Not even the mom, and definitely NOT Jawando. It feels like they are all using this incident to further their own agendas.

Good. For. Her.

Getting special education services for your child in MCPS
bankrupts families. This little bit deserves the help he needs
and that help is extremely expensive.

The Board of Education hates these families. They should have
to pay.

She doesn’t seem to WANT special Ed services.

If she wanted money to get her child help, then good for her. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. I think she wants money, but it’s unlikely it gets set aside to help the poor child.

Where is the dad?? Does the dad get a say? Or do we just let the mom out this kid on blast so that this story follows him around for the rest of his life?

Again, this poor kid doesn’t have a chance.

In the video she didn't want help and she said it would be a waste of time. She knew to get private therapy and more and decided against it. She could use family therapy to work with her on discipline and consistency and help the child process his feelings and an evaluation. Come 5, the feeding issues are not normal even for a picky kid. Most picky kids will eat at least a dozen things.

Bull. The mother wanted help and she told everyone what she was working on. Eventually she gave up and went
with the police line to get out of the room with her child. She was being held hostage and she was bargaining to get out of the
room.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She doesn’t seem to WANT special Ed services.

If she wanted money to get her child help, then good for her. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. I think she wants money, but it’s unlikely it gets set aside to help the poor child.

Where is the dad?? Does the dad get a say? Or do we just let the mom out this kid on blast so that this story follows him around for the rest of his life?

Again, this poor kid doesn’t have a chance.

Hopefully the child will receive the needed services - not a bunch of commentary about how bad their mom is.

Well, as long as the mom is the guardian, she is in charge.

What services this child does or not receive will depend on what the mom wants. That’s why you are seeing ‘commentary’ about the mom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell us more about Jawando applying to the MCPD?!?

Jawando was an intern at the Silver Spring station years ago and applied to be a police officer. His background check came up sketchy and the word is that the final straw was the psychological test where he washed out. He’s had a grudge against the department ever since.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

She doesn’t seem to WANT special Ed services.

If she wanted money to get her child help, then good for her. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. I think she wants money, but it’s unlikely it gets set aside to help the poor child.

Where is the dad?? Does the dad get a say? Or do we just let the mom out this kid on blast so that this story follows him around for the rest of his life?

Again, this poor kid doesn’t have a chance.

Hopefully the child will receive the needed services - not a bunch of commentary about how bad their mom is.

Well, as long as the mom is the guardian, she is in charge.

What services this child does or not receive will depend on what the mom wants. That’s why you are seeing ‘commentary’ about the mom.

The video was about the child being bad and how great mom was and how hard mom was trying according to mom and how everyone else was the problem as he didn't behave that way at home (which makes no sense as if he was fine at home why all the comments about discipline). She said she has been told to get him help but it was pointless. Come a year later, who knows what happened to this poor kid or if mom got him help. There was no discussion about the child except a few comments about behavior at school and it was the Mom show. Mom found two officers similar to her and she was playing it up. And, now she wants her 5 minutes of fame and to sue. She was equally bad if not worse because it was her child and she behaved that way and allowed them to behave that way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the police officer transporting the child without a proper car seat?

A child hits another with a clipboard.
A child grabs another by the hair and slams their head.
A child hits the teacher.
A child breaks a $1000 computer.
A child leaves school property.
An officer of the law gets in that child’s face and screams at them and taunts them.
An officer of the law tells a child they are bad and encourages mom to whoop that child.
An officer of the law test drives a pair of handcuffs on a five year old.
A mom tells officers and a staff member she can’t beat her child because she’ll lose custody or go to jail but otherwise would.
A mom is suing the MCPD after joking around and smiling at the end of this debacle...

And you are concerned that a five and 1/2 year old is drive 2 blocks without a seatbelt? GMAFB!

This x 1000
Its all bad news. There was much more said than that. Those cops should be fired. That mom should get CPS in home help given the behavior of the child and mandated counseling.

Why is the adult in the room/who ever she is not talking to the child helping him calm down and guide him through the situation? The police scream at the kid but don't engage them and act like fools. The other adult is not helping the child either.

You forgot where mom strips the kid to show officers.
All the inappropriate conversations in front of the kid. Joking and laughing instead of talking to the child appropriately about behavior. They can call the kid bad but can't talk to the child about appropriate behavior. Get down on his level and talk to him calmly.
The name calling by the officers.
Those staff seem horrible. No wonder the kid is running.
Mom has no clue how to parent. She buys him toys then has them throw it away. She spanks and bribes but not work with him on behavior.
The police counseling was inappropriate. They have nothing to offer.
Mother calling kid retarded and other stuff. How she spoke to her child was just as terrible. The all three fed into each other.
No one is teaching this kid deescalation and alternatives to anger and frustration and how to get needs met. No one is listening to him, just yelling.
Mom knows he needs a therapist, didn't get him therapy and saying he doesn't need it.
Mom blaming the school and they are clearly part of the problem but he needs a different school environment.
Mom is just as bad, if not worse as she should have taken her child and left.
Mom is rambling about her and her beliefs.

No one is talking about the child or the child's needs or talking to the child to help figure out what is going on.
This child has SN - he only drinks pedisure and only recently started with chicken nuggets. She should have gotten him evaluated and feeding help as at 5, that's not normal. Pickly is normal, that is not.

Zero reason for Mom to sue as she acted the same way.

+1000000

Agreed

I don’t get the feeling the mom is going to put my money gained by a lawsuit towards the kid.

This is a money grab from the mom AND political posturing from Jawando, who wants to be on the national stage.

This poor kid doesn’t have a chance. My heart goes out to him.

Agree. Moms behavior was an equal problem so not sure why she is suing. Kid was not treated well but this is not sue worthy. Plus now this kid is branded on the internet forever.

She. Wants. Money.

Nobody actually seems to care about this little boy. Not even the mom, and definitely NOT Jawando. It feels like they are all using this incident to further their own agendas.

Good. For. Her.

Getting special education services for your child in MCPS
bankrupts families. This little bit deserves the help he needs
and that help is extremely expensive.

The Board of Education hates these families. They should have
to pay.

She doesn’t seem to WANT special Ed services.

If she wanted money to get her child help, then good for her. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. I think she wants money, but it’s unlikely it gets set aside to help the poor child.

Where is the dad?? Does the dad get a say? Or do we just let the mom out this kid on blast so that this story follows him around for the rest of his life?

Again, this poor kid doesn’t have a chance.

In the video she didn't want help and she said it would be a waste of time. She knew to get private therapy and more and decided against it. She could use family therapy to work with her on discipline and consistency and help the child process his feelings and an evaluation. Come 5, the feeding issues are not normal even for a picky kid. Most picky kids will eat at least a dozen things.

Bull. The mother wanted help and she told everyone what she was working on. Eventually she gave up and went
with the police line to get out of the room with her child. She was being held hostage and she was bargaining to get out of the
room.

No, she was having a long conversation. She could have said, look, thanks for the help but time to go. She went on a rampage to justify her behavior and what they were saying. She didn't want help. She said she had been involved with CPS and the school and was told to get therapy but decided it wasn't worth the trouble as kid wouldn't be helped by it. Mom is not the victim here. The child is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

Yeah let’s call the trained psychologist to break up the fight involving six black girls with hair being pulled, blood all over the floor, clothing ripped, and N...... being shouted every five seconds. Do you have any idea what goes on in our public schools?

They do it in the psych ward all the time. This is a 5 yo.

This child didn't need to be restrained or anything else at that moment. He voluntarily went with the police and a school staff member who he knew was right there with hi the entire time. We need SRO's in our school but in the MS and HS we have security guards, which is fine. In ES they don't have security guards or SRO's. If this child's behavior was so out of control they should have taken him up to Children for an evaluation. Going to the ER is the quickest way to get it done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

Yeah let’s call the trained psychologist to break up the fight involving six black girls with hair being pulled, blood all over the floor, clothing ripped, and N...... being shouted every five seconds. Do you have any idea what goes on in our public schools?

They do it in the psych ward all the time. This is a 5 yo.

This child didn't need to be restrained or anything else at that moment. He voluntarily went with the police and a school staff member who he knew was right there with hi the entire time. We need SRO's in our school but in the MS and HS we have security guards, which is fine. In ES they don't have security guards or SRO's. If this child's behavior was so out of control they should have taken him up to Children for an evaluation. Going to the ER is the quickest way to get it done.

If we took every kid who was of control to Children's, Children's wouldn't have any space left.

Get him the services he needs, in a school that has CPI trained staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

Yeah let’s call the trained psychologist to break up the fight involving six black girls with hair being pulled, blood all over the floor, clothing ripped, and N...... being shouted every five seconds. Do you have any idea what goes on in our public schools?

They do it in the psych ward all the time. This is a 5 yo.

This child didn't need to be restrained or anything else at that moment. He voluntarily went with the police and a school staff member who he knew was right there with hi the entire time. We need SRO's in our school but in the MS and HS we have security guards, which is fine. In ES they don't have security guards or SRO's. If this child's behavior was so out of control they should have taken him up to Children for an evaluation. Going to the ER is the quickest way to get it done.

If we took every kid who was of control to Children's, Children's wouldn't have any space left.

Get him the services he needs, in a school that has CPI trained staff.

Schools will not provide the evaluation and help he needs. If they did this would never be an issue.

[Anonymous]

Having watched the video and sat with it a while, I think I blame the School staff the most. The police officers and mother are winning no prizes here, but the school staff is supposed to be skilled at dealing with children who are at a variety of levels and I see none of that here. They are basically mocking him and his mom, complaining about how tough they have it, and no one is doing anything for the child (except when they got his mom on speaker phone to help calm him—that was a good idea, although then they joined in with the officers mocking the mom for speaking soothingly to him). I have trouble believing the kid was as disruptive as described, mainly because the female showing the video and describing the conduct just seems so utterly unskilled in dealing with challenging kids that I would guess she made whatever emotioanal disregulation he has much worse.
They all nsee a Dan Shapiro/Ross green training or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 37 pages of comments but I’ve read a lot of them. Do any of you realize that this is a cultural thing.

Black parents discipline their children differently than whites do in fact you can hear the mother say that. Both officers are black so it’s basically a black cultural discussion. As someone else said if everyone involved had been white you never would have heard of it.

Jawando, who has his own agenda to gain higher office, pushed his friend Chief Jones for a year to release this tape. Joe’s finally did with pressure from the CE. Jawando, who was rejected by MCPD years ago, will do anything to make the police department look bad. It’s as simple as that.

GTFOOHWTBS

There are many, many layers here, but this was not a frickin "cultural discussion." This was completely unacceptable abuse of power by the cops.

If everyone were white you would have ABSOLUTELY heard about this long ago and heads would have already rolled. But of course it would have been less likely to happen to a white child, specifically, in the first place. These officers being black-- but especially being police-- knew also that they could get away with a lot more with a black child.

Love to see people claim no racism-- and even no abuse!!-- was involved simply because the abuser and the victim were both POC.

Now THAT is racist.

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE CHEAP SEATS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bye bye SROs.

Easy answer.., no police SROs in school... replace them with trained psychologists!

Yeah let’s call the trained psychologist to break up the fight involving six black girls with hair being pulled, blood all over the floor, clothing ripped, and N...... being shouted every five seconds. Do you have any idea what goes on in our public schools?

They do it in the psych ward all the time. This is a 5 yo.

This child didn't need to be restrained or anything else at that moment. He voluntarily went with the police and a school staff member who he knew was right there with hi the entire time. We need SRO's in our school but in the MS and HS we have security guards, which is fine. In ES they don't have security guards or SRO's. If this child's behavior was so out of control they should have taken him up to Children for an evaluation. Going to the ER is the quickest way to get it done.

If we took every kid who was of control to Children's, Children's wouldn't have any space left.

Get him the services he needs, in a school that has CPI trained staff.

Really hard to do if the mom fights the placement, which it sounds like is part of the issue here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read through 37 pages of comments but I’ve read a lot of them. Do any of you realize that this is a cultural thing.

Black parents discipline their children differently than whites do in fact you can hear the mother say that. Both officers are black so it’s basically a black cultural discussion. As someone else said if everyone involved had been white you never would have heard of it.

Jawando, who has his own agenda to gain higher office, pushed his friend Chief Jones for a year to release this tape. Joe’s finally did with pressure from the CE. Jawando, who was rejected by MCPD years ago, will do anything to make the police department look bad. It’s as simple as that.

Jawando didn't find out about this until January 2021, like the rest of the world. He has NOT been pushing for anything from Chief Jones.

They also are not friends.

This is absolutely not true. This happened I think in 2020 or even 2019 and it has been posted before on different social media. So the real question is why is she suing now? And, why just for money and not help for her son. I've seen it before.

It is true. It happened January 2020. Council didn’t know until the department was sued and the mom’s attorney went public with it in January 2021. 2 months ago.

https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/courts/lawsuit-alleges-police-harassed-assaulted-5-year-old-boy/

https://twitter.com/willjawando/status/1352817783298531328?s=21

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If we took every kid who was of control to Children's, Children's wouldn't have any space left.

Get him the services he needs, in a school that has CPI trained staff.

Really hard to do if the mom fights the placement, which it sounds like is part of the issue here.

CPI training is not hard to get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Schools will not provide the evaluation and help he needs. If they did this would never be an issue.

I've been the one-on-one para for kids with issues such as this. Giving the help can reduce the behavior, but doesn't stop it.