Who did you think killed JonBenet?

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Anonymous wrote:The missed ransom call -- how was that explained on the other documentary?

What? Who missed the call?

The ransom note specified a time the Call would happen I believe it was 10am and the police prepped the Ramsey's and had the phone ready but the time came and went without them mentioning the ransom call.

It seems like they never questioned why the kidnappers never called etc...as if they knew there was no kidnapper(s).

Had they not found the body by then?

No at that time it was assumed the kidnappers had the child.

And that is why it was weird that the time for the call came and went and neither parent said "We didn't get a call!! What do we do now! We have to find her! Please find her!!"

Totally. I would be in agony waiting by that phone!!

I think this point gets glossed over, but it's huge. At 9:45 I would have checked the phone line to make sure it was working. I would have been counting down the minutes. When it was close to 10:00, I would have made everyone be quiet and we would have all been standing by, staring at the phone ready to pick it up.

I also haven't read or heard anything about the police/FBI preparing for the call. Don't they record the call/try to find the location of the caller, etc.? Or is that just on t.v.?

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

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BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

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Anonymous wrote:The missed ransom call -- how was that explained on the other documentary?

What? Who missed the call?

The ransom note specified a time the Call would happen I believe it was 10am and the police prepped the Ramsey's and had the phone ready but the time came and went without them mentioning the ransom call.

It seems like they never questioned why the kidnappers never called etc...as if they knew there was no kidnapper(s).

Had they not found the body by then?

No at that time it was assumed the kidnappers had the child.

And that is why it was weird that the time for the call came and went and neither parent said "We didn't get a call!! What do we do now! We have to find her! Please find her!!"

Totally. I would be in agony waiting by that phone!!

I think this point gets glossed over, but it's huge. At 9:45 I would have checked the phone line to make sure it was working. I would have been counting down the minutes. When it was close to 10:00, I would have made everyone be quiet and we would have all been standing by, staring at the phone ready to pick it up.

I also haven't read or heard anything about the police/FBI preparing for the call. Don't they record the call/try to find the location of the caller, etc.? Or is that just on t.v.?

How does anyone know that the Ramsey's weren't waiting by the phone between 8 and 10 am, when the note said to be? Has that been reported? Who exactly said what they were doing between those hours? I also think the police would've set up a wire tap, but again, who can give facts about this?

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

+1

BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

I think a lot of poster see themselves in Patsy -white women with money and children, not the type ( in their minds) that would kill her child that' something other people do.


You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

+1

BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

I don't think hiring lawyers when you're suspected of a crime is ever odd. It's smart. How many police departments have screwed up the investigations of criminal cases? Many. To just blindly give a police department the benefit of the doubt, particularly one that was very inexperienced with investigating homicides, is not wise. Everyone but Patsy submitted samples 2 days after the murder. She eventually did submit samples but was too distraught to give them 2 days after her daughter had been killed. I don't think this is ludicrous. Most people would barely be able to get out of bed, much less go through forensic testing 2 days after your child has been murdered. This is the key too. Everyone thinks they know how they would react in this situation, but they really don't.

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

+1

BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

I think a lot of poster see themselves in Patsy -white women with money and children, not the type ( in their minds) that would kill her child that' something other people do.


You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

Ummm. No. I think most people on here think Patsy did it. I am one of the few that doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

+1

BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

I think a lot of poster see themselves in Patsy -white women with money and children, not the type ( in their minds) that would kill her child that' something other people do.


You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

Ummm. No. I think most people on here think Patsy did it. I am one of the few that doesn't.

I don't think most people here think Patsy did it. I just think the few who do are very vocal.

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

+1

BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

I think a lot of poster see themselves in Patsy -white women with money and children, not the type ( in their minds) that would kill her child that' something other people do.


You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

Ummm. No. I think most people on here think Patsy did it. I am one of the few that doesn't.

I don't think most people here think Patsy did it. I just think the few who do are very vocal.

Then it's hard to say. We'd have to take a poll, I suppose. But if you're looking at the court of public opinion, I would say most people think someone in the Ramsey family did it. The intruder theory is not a popular one. I believe it's what really happened though but most people have already made up their minds.

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Anonymous wrote:The missed ransom call -- how was that explained on the other documentary?

What? Who missed the call?

The ransom note specified a time the Call would happen I believe it was 10am and the police prepped the Ramsey's and had the phone ready but the time came and went without them mentioning the ransom call.

It seems like they never questioned why the kidnappers never called etc...as if they knew there was no kidnapper(s).

Had they not found the body by then?

No at that time it was assumed the kidnappers had the child.

And that is why it was weird that the time for the call came and went and neither parent said "We didn't get a call!! What do we do now! We have to find her! Please find her!!"

Totally. I would be in agony waiting by that phone!!

I think this point gets glossed over, but it's huge. At 9:45 I would have checked the phone line to make sure it was working. I would have been counting down the minutes. When it was close to 10:00, I would have made everyone be quiet and we would have all been standing by, staring at the phone ready to pick it up.

I also haven't read or heard anything about the police/FBI preparing for the call. Don't they record the call/try to find the location of the caller, etc.? Or is that just on t.v.?

How does anyone know that the Ramsey's weren't waiting by the phone between 8 and 10 am, when the note said to be? Has that been reported? Who exactly said what they were doing between those hours? I also think the police would've set up a wire tap, but again, who can give facts about this?

Watch the Dateline special from last night they had the detectives who were there on to speak about the case.

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

+1

BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

I think a lot of poster see themselves in Patsy -white women with money and children, not the type ( in their minds) that would kill her child that' something other people do.


You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

Ummm. No. I think most people on here think Patsy did it. I am one of the few that doesn't.

I don't think most people here think Patsy did it. I just think the few who do are very vocal.

Then it's hard to say. We'd have to take a poll, I suppose. But if you're looking at the court of public opinion, I would say most people think someone in the Ramsey family did it. The intruder theory is not a popular one. I believe it's what really happened though but most people have already made up their minds.

It's one of those things where it strikes me as an inside job - meaning someone in the family killed JonBenet. None of them seem like the "type" to do something like this (they aren't mean/abusive people) but the intruder theory just does not seem at all plausible. So of the 3 family members, Patsy seems to be the one who would have had the most hands on physical contact with JonBenet. Getting her ready for bed, helping her with a potty accident, giving her bath, etc. And there is the writing on the ransom note that really does look a lot like Patsy's left handed writing sample - I am actually shocked that anyone would deny the resemblance between her sample and the actual ransom letter.

It doesn't make sense that Patsy would have killed JonBenet. She loved her daughter very much. I think it was a tragic accident - didn't know her own strength sort of scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:The missed ransom call -- how was that explained on the other documentary?

What? Who missed the call?

The ransom note specified a time the Call would happen I believe it was 10am and the police prepped the Ramsey's and had the phone ready but the time came and went without them mentioning the ransom call.

It seems like they never questioned why the kidnappers never called etc...as if they knew there was no kidnapper(s).

Had they not found the body by then?

No at that time it was assumed the kidnappers had the child.

And that is why it was weird that the time for the call came and went and neither parent said "We didn't get a call!! What do we do now! We have to find her! Please find her!!"

Totally. I would be in agony waiting by that phone!!

I think this point gets glossed over, but it's huge. At 9:45 I would have checked the phone line to make sure it was working. I would have been counting down the minutes. When it was close to 10:00, I would have made everyone be quiet and we would have all been standing by, staring at the phone ready to pick it up.

I also haven't read or heard anything about the police/FBI preparing for the call. Don't they record the call/try to find the location of the caller, etc.? Or is that just on t.v.?

How does anyone know that the Ramsey's weren't waiting by the phone between 8 and 10 am, when the note said to be? Has that been reported? Who exactly said what they were doing between those hours? I also think the police would've set up a wire tap, but again, who can give facts about this?

Watch the Dateline special from last night they had the detectives who were there on to speak about the case.

I missed the Dateline special - darn it! Was there any new info presented? If you could give a quick recap that would be great.

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Anonymous wrote:The missed ransom call -- how was that explained on the other documentary?

What? Who missed the call?

The ransom note specified a time the Call would happen I believe it was 10am and the police prepped the Ramsey's and had the phone ready but the time came and went without them mentioning the ransom call.

It seems like they never questioned why the kidnappers never called etc...as if they knew there was no kidnapper(s).

Had they not found the body by then?

No at that time it was assumed the kidnappers had the child.

And that is why it was weird that the time for the call came and went and neither parent said "We didn't get a call!! What do we do now! We have to find her! Please find her!!"

Totally. I would be in agony waiting by that phone!!

I think this point gets glossed over, but it's huge. At 9:45 I would have checked the phone line to make sure it was working. I would have been counting down the minutes. When it was close to 10:00, I would have made everyone be quiet and we would have all been standing by, staring at the phone ready to pick it up.

I also haven't read or heard anything about the police/FBI preparing for the call. Don't they record the call/try to find the location of the caller, etc.? Or is that just on t.v.?

How does anyone know that the Ramsey's weren't waiting by the phone between 8 and 10 am, when the note said to be? Has that been reported? Who exactly said what they were doing between those hours? I also think the police would've set up a wire tap, but again, who can give facts about this?

Watch the Dateline special from last night they had the detectives who were there on to speak about the case.

I missed the Dateline special - darn it! Was there any new info presented? If you could give a quick recap that would be great.

I think you can get it On Demand or on Hulu.

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Anonymous wrote:They also mentioned that the parents stopped speaking to each other and then after the funeral there was the CNN interview while refusing to speak with police they did a televised interview.

Once JonBenet was found dead the worst had already happened. Cooperating with the police at that point wasn't going to bring their daughter back and if they were under a veil of suspicion themselves then cooperating could easily have been to their detriment.

At that point their main focus was on protecting themselves, each other and Burke. I think that's understandable. But going on news shows was weird. It was like a PR move - wanting to look good in the public eye. You are either focused on finding your daughter's killer or you aren't but don't fail to cooperate with the police and then do news interviews.

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BINGO. As if they were guilty and trying to deflect.

I don't see why people think the Ramsey's actions were so suspicious after the murder. They did cooperate with police at first and then when realizing they were suspects, hired a criminal defense attorney, at the advice of their attorney friend, Bynum. Anyone, innocent or guilty, accused of a crime should hire an attorney right away. Look at the Steven Avery case or West Memphis Three case to see what can happen when you don't. Here's the timeline for the Ramsey's shortly after the murder-

12-28-96 Ramseys Provided Forensic Samples. Ramsey family goes to Boulder police station to answer questions and give samples of hair, blood and handwriting. These include John Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Burke Ramsey; "'Patsy' Ramsey was too distraught to submit to the evidence collection, authorities said"
12-28-96 Ramseys Hired Criminal Attorneys. "Shortly after noon that Saturday, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Detective Arndt that the Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with the police. Since he was no longer a criminal attorney, Bynum called Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman in Denver, one of Colorado's top firms. By Saturday evening the Ramseys had retained Morgan."
1-1-97 Ramseys CNN Appearance. Ramseys appear on CNN, confirming that John and Patsy each have hired an attorney and that John also hired a private investigator

I do not think the CNN appearance was a PR move in order to look good. I think these were distraught people who had buried their daughter the day before, the media was hounding them like crazy, the whole nation was wondering who these people were and what they had to say for themselves, and so they went on TV to try and clear things up. All of this is understandable. I think the Boulder Police, the media and the public were ready to convict these people before they ever had a chance of getting the facts out.

I think a lot of poster see themselves in Patsy -white women with money and children, not the type ( in their minds) that would kill her child that' something other people do.


You don't think that Patsy not submitting samples (when the other Ramseys did); and the Ramseys each hiring their own lawyer looks odd?

Ummm. No. I think most people on here think Patsy did it. I am one of the few that doesn't.

I don't think most people here think Patsy did it. I just think the few who do are very vocal.

Then it's hard to say. We'd have to take a poll, I suppose. But if you're looking at the court of public opinion, I would say most people think someone in the Ramsey family did it. The intruder theory is not a popular one. I believe it's what really happened though but most people have already made up their minds.

It's one of those things where it strikes me as an inside job - meaning someone in the family killed JonBenet. None of them seem like the "type" to do something like this (they aren't mean/abusive people) but the intruder theory just does not seem at all plausible. So of the 3 family members, Patsy seems to be the one who would have had the most hands on physical contact with JonBenet. Getting her ready for bed, helping her with a potty accident, giving her bath, etc. And there is the writing on the ransom note that really does look a lot like Patsy's left handed writing sample - I am actually shocked that anyone would deny the resemblance between her sample and the actual ransom letter.

It doesn't make sense that Patsy would have killed JonBenet. She loved her daughter very much. I think it was a tragic accident - didn't know her own strength sort of scenario.

I didn't see the Dateline Special but did watch the A & E one earlier in the week. I also saw the special on Investigator Smit's interview. For years I thought there is no way an intruder did this. It had to be the family. But I now believe it is very possible and was most likely an intruder. The pictures of JB's body show she was strangled then blungeoned. This doesn't fall in line with the family theory. That is just one of the many bits of evidence pointing to an intruder.

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The A&E special made me think it was Patsy more. She seemed so off in every interview.

[Anonymous]

Dateline presented the story differently than A&E -- you need to see both to catch the parts the other ignored or skipped over.