Gen Xers - Do you find Taylor Swift’s music bland?

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Anonymous wrote:The whole friendship bracelet thing, every thirty something in my life has armfuls of them and it kinda looks stupid and very high school. I just can't with her phoniness. She screams fake.

I seriously do not understand people my age (in their 30s) being obsessed with her.

Teenagers are one thing, but a 38 year old woman being fixated on her is just weird.

Taylor Swift is 34. I think she actually means more to people in their 30s now than she does to teenagers because women in their 30s have grown up with her.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

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Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Then give me an example of something I should listen to and appreciate.

There's this masterpiece about her sweater

https://youtu.be/K-a8s8OLBSE?feature=shared

I tried and felt like I’ve heard versions of that song from her before. Dreamy whisper pop. Got bored half way through and turned it off. Not doing it for me. Sorry.

That’s my issue with her latest albums. I listened to the first song and liked it. Then I kept listening and realized they all sound the same.

If I listen to a Beatles or Radiohead album, I’ll get variety from song to song. I don’t feel like I get that sort of rhythmic and sonic variety from her albums, especially lately.

It's interesting. I hear a lot of variety in the songs on TTPD and some of them evoke a lot of emotion, most especially Robin. Maybe we just have different definitions of variety and pick up the sounds/themes differently because of the different music we appreciate. I like Radiohead just fine but they don't resonate with me like they did in the 90s. The Beatles are mainly meh to me and always have been.

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Robin is a truly beautiful song and makes me tear up thinking of my (now adult) kids when they were little. I believe she and Aaron Dessner wrote that together since it’s about his son.

I find the pacing odd. And the line "but now we'll curtail your curiosity" is one of the clunkier lines I've heard. To me, this is an example of insisting on overlaying lyrics that don't fit.

Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

But she’s not a “random person” to her friends. She’s a musician they admire and who resonates with them?

7 yr olds aren’t into songs about heartbreak and cheating boyfriends. They are basic trend followers.

or like most little kids love the music and don't really listen to the lyrics.... like who know "Roxanne" was a prostitute when I was 7.

They listen to what they think they should listen to. What their older sisters and cousins listen to or maybe their moms. They aren’t really identifying with her lyrics and emotion because it’s inappropriate. They are copying older behavior.

If you stay open minded about music kids will develop their own taste. I have a 7 yr old whose favorite songs are: Rich Girl by Hall & Oates, Lilacs by Waxahatchee, Go Outside by Ratboys, Jolene by Dolly Parton, and anything by Beethoven. The Waxahatchee was something I like and played a lot at home and then she latched on to but the rest of that was stuff she heard randomly and was like "I LOVE this song" and asked us to put it on her playlist. I didn't even know who Ratboys was when she suggested that one and Rich Girl was a song she heard in a grocery store.

She also likes songs from Frozen and Moana as well as some Taylor Swift. But she didn't come to that stuff on her own and decide she liked it independently. She knows it's what kids her age listen to and so she listened to it with the goal of liking it. It's good music -- this is fine. But her relationship to it is different because it was basically prescribed for her instead of just being something she heard and thought "I LOVE this." In fact she definitely heard all that stuff and liked it fine but didn't love it and it was only after learning that her peers at school are really into it that she decided she really liked it too.

I would have been interested to see if she developed a love of those things on her own without any peer pressure. Again not because I think it's bad (I actually adore the songs Shiny and Antihero and a few other Swift songs and would have played those around the house no matter what) but just because I'm curious. But I think it's hard to have a relationship with music that popular without it being heavily mediated by the culture at large.

I have a 10 yr old obsessed with Taylor Swift. I know she didn’t come to it on her own. She likes all the other things girls her age. I look at it as a phase like any other phase. She’ll grow out of it, move on, and hopefully develop her own authentic taste. But for now it’s all about conformity and liking what everyone else supposedly likes. It’s a way to bond on the playground. But it doesn’t mean the music is objectively good or that little kids have an ear for music and are picking up on greatness that their parents just don’t understand because they are close minded. I like lots of new music, but this one just doesn’t do anything for me, personally.

Sounds like you’ll be judging your daughter if she turns out to be a real Swift fan. Perhaps that will actually be her “own authentic taste,” even though you clearly wouldn’t approve. It sounds very much like you are the close-minded parent here. I hope she listens to whatever makes her happy, regardless of whether it’s too “conformist” for you.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole friendship bracelet thing, every thirty something in my life has armfuls of them and it kinda looks stupid and very high school. I just can't with her phoniness. She screams fake.

I seriously do not understand people my age (in their 30s) being obsessed with her.

Teenagers are one thing, but a 38 year old woman being fixated on her is just weird.

Taylor Swift is 34. I think she actually means more to people in their 30s now than she does to teenagers because women in their 30s have grown up with her.

We didn’t grow up with her. I don’t know anyone my age who paid attention to her until the last 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

Please stop with this nonsense. Critics have listed plenty of other female artists that they adore.

None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact. Or they’ve stayed in their lane and so they are acceptable.

I’m not accusing you or everyone as misogynistic but there is a lot of misogyny in some of the criticisms. And people respond to that and are accused as rabid and hysterical.

I'm not sure how you can say Beyonce and Rihanna can't touch her success. Rihanna was a billionaire 1st.

Didn’t you know? Taylor is unprecedented in every way.

Nobody is saying that and you sound crazy.

“None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact.”

Is that a reasonable statement in your mind?

DP. I mean - yes. That is a reasonable statement. Taylor Swift is a force. Love her, hate her, it doesn’t really matter. She singlehandedly has had a worldwide global impact on the economy by bringing her Eras tour to cities around the globe. She is a massive philanthropist who donates millions to food banks in every city she visits. You don’t have to be a “Swiftie” to acknowledge how her super-stardom has affected the world.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole friendship bracelet thing, every thirty something in my life has armfuls of them and it kinda looks stupid and very high school. I just can't with her phoniness. She screams fake.

I seriously do not understand people my age (in their 30s) being obsessed with her.

Teenagers are one thing, but a 38 year old woman being fixated on her is just weird.

Taylor Swift is 34. I think she actually means more to people in their 30s now than she does to teenagers because women in their 30s have grown up with her.

We didn’t grow up with her. I don’t know anyone my age who paid attention to her until the last 2 years.

Ok

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Anonymous wrote:The whole friendship bracelet thing, every thirty something in my life has armfuls of them and it kinda looks stupid and very high school. I just can't with her phoniness. She screams fake.

I seriously do not understand people my age (in their 30s) being obsessed with her.

Teenagers are one thing, but a 38 year old woman being fixated on her is just weird.

Taylor Swift is 34. I think she actually means more to people in their 30s now than she does to teenagers because women in their 30s have grown up with her.

We didn’t grow up with her. I don’t know anyone my age who paid attention to her until the last 2 years.

I meant people who are her fans.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

Please stop with this nonsense. Critics have listed plenty of other female artists that they adore.

None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact. Or they’ve stayed in their lane and so they are acceptable.

I’m not accusing you or everyone as misogynistic but there is a lot of misogyny in some of the criticisms. And people respond to that and are accused as rabid and hysterical.

I'm not sure how you can say Beyonce and Rihanna can't touch her success. Rihanna was a billionaire 1st.

Didn’t you know? Taylor is unprecedented in every way.

Nobody is saying that and you sound crazy.

“None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact.”

Is that a reasonable statement in your mind?

DP. I mean - yes. That is a reasonable statement. Taylor Swift is a force. Love her, hate her, it doesn’t really matter. She singlehandedly has had a worldwide global impact on the economy by bringing her Eras tour to cities around the globe. She is a massive philanthropist who donates millions to food banks in every city she visits. You don’t have to be a “Swiftie” to acknowledge how her super-stardom has affected the world.

Yes and other artists have done the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

Please stop with this nonsense. Critics have listed plenty of other female artists that they adore.

None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact. Or they’ve stayed in their lane and so they are acceptable.

I’m not accusing you or everyone as misogynistic but there is a lot of misogyny in some of the criticisms. And people respond to that and are accused as rabid and hysterical.

I'm not sure how you can say Beyonce and Rihanna can't touch her success. Rihanna was a billionaire 1st.

Didn’t you know? Taylor is unprecedented in every way.

Nobody is saying that and you sound crazy.

“None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact.”

Is that a reasonable statement in your mind?

Exactly.

I get that if you are a Taylor Swift fan then 2023-2024 have been a heady time because the culture has aligned with your specific preferences in a major way. But like all trends it will fade. There have been musical acts as big as Swift before and there will be others in the future. And it's also normal for people to not get a current trend and be mystified because it's not for them. There were people who never got what people like about Beyonce, high waisted jeans, IPAs, or the show Friends. It's fine. Right now Swift is a major dominant trend and it seems like "everyone agrees" she's the best. But everyone never agrees. And her popularity will fade and many of the people who claim to really like her now won't care at all in a few years. Whereas people who loved her before this time will likely continue to like her because they genuinely are drawn to her and not just hopping on a bandwagon. And the people who still don't get what's so great about her will never become fans and it will be fine because she will no longer be the prevailing monoculture musical act.

I never understood why everyone loved Hamilton and for a while people thought I was weird for not being super into it but then it passed and now no one cares what I think about Hamilton and in fact you will find many people who are neutral to negative on it. That will also happen with Swift. Can the Swifties handle it though?

You are right! I agree with everything you said, especially the comment about Hamilton. I simply do not get the appeal.

See, everyone is allowed to have different opinions!

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Anonymous wrote:The whole friendship bracelet thing, every thirty something in my life has armfuls of them and it kinda looks stupid and very high school. I just can't with her phoniness. She screams fake.

I seriously do not understand people my age (in their 30s) being obsessed with her.

Teenagers are one thing, but a 38 year old woman being fixated on her is just weird.

Taylor Swift is 34. I think she actually means more to people in their 30s now than she does to teenagers because women in their 30s have grown up with her.

We didn’t grow up with her. I don’t know anyone my age who paid attention to her until the last 2 years.

I meant people who are her fans.

Yeah and I honestly didn’t know anyone my age who cared about her until Evermore came out.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

Please stop with this nonsense. Critics have listed plenty of other female artists that they adore.

None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact. Or they’ve stayed in their lane and so they are acceptable.

I’m not accusing you or everyone as misogynistic but there is a lot of misogyny in some of the criticisms. And people respond to that and are accused as rabid and hysterical.

I'm not sure how you can say Beyonce and Rihanna can't touch her success. Rihanna was a billionaire 1st.

Didn’t you know? Taylor is unprecedented in every way.

Nobody is saying that and you sound crazy.

“None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact.”

Is that a reasonable statement in your mind?

Yes? It’s pretty unprecedented what she’s done in terms of her success. This is just objectively a fact.

Someone upthread mentioned rhianna and Beyoncé as comparisons in terms of success which I would agree with but they have also experienced ridiculous amounts of misogyny. I remember as soon as the news came out that Chris Brown had abused Rihanna, immediately someone on DCUM posted a thread that we should boycott all of Rihanna’s products and companies because she stayed with an abuser. And how awful of her. No mention, of course that we should boycott Brown, the actual abuser.

But yes, I guess it’s ridiculous to think that there’s any misogyny with any female artist ever. How silly of me!

To your first argument that it's fair to say no one else has "touched" Taylor's success and impact, please explain what it is about Taylor that is more successful and impactful than previous megastars. Other than sheer dollars earned-- it is the nature of the economy that new stars will always top the earnings of the last. There will be another artist whose tour makes more than Eras just like Eras topped previous tours.

But what is it about Taylor that makes you say that, for instance, Beyonce or Rhianna or Madonna or Britney or Mariah or even Cher or Tina Turner or Aretha Franklin, cannot "touch" her success and impact? Why does Taylor belong in a separate class, other than you simply liking her music more than theirs (there are going to be lots of people who prefer the music of one of those artists to Taylor as well).

Yes all female artists experience misogyny. Taylor is not the first and she also doesn't get it the worst-- much of what she's done owes a lot to paths cut by others on that list, or lessons Taylor learned from because of how other artists suffered.

Honestly, it’s like people can’t use the Google. Check out where she is as a best selling artist relative to the time she’s actually been in the business, or even alive.

But she’s not even close to the best selling artist alive.

Can you even google? DP

https://www.statista.com/chart/31803/best-selling-global-recording-artists/

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

Please stop with this nonsense. Critics have listed plenty of other female artists that they adore.

None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact. Or they’ve stayed in their lane and so they are acceptable.

I’m not accusing you or everyone as misogynistic but there is a lot of misogyny in some of the criticisms. And people respond to that and are accused as rabid and hysterical.

I'm not sure how you can say Beyonce and Rihanna can't touch her success. Rihanna was a billionaire 1st.

Didn’t you know? Taylor is unprecedented in every way.

Nobody is saying that and you sound crazy.

“None them have touched Taylor’s success and impact.”

Is that a reasonable statement in your mind?

Yes? It’s pretty unprecedented what she’s done in terms of her success. This is just objectively a fact.

Someone upthread mentioned rhianna and Beyoncé as comparisons in terms of success which I would agree with but they have also experienced ridiculous amounts of misogyny. I remember as soon as the news came out that Chris Brown had abused Rihanna, immediately someone on DCUM posted a thread that we should boycott all of Rihanna’s products and companies because she stayed with an abuser. And how awful of her. No mention, of course that we should boycott Brown, the actual abuser.

But yes, I guess it’s ridiculous to think that there’s any misogyny with any female artist ever. How silly of me!

To your first argument that it's fair to say no one else has "touched" Taylor's success and impact, please explain what it is about Taylor that is more successful and impactful than previous megastars. Other than sheer dollars earned-- it is the nature of the economy that new stars will always top the earnings of the last. There will be another artist whose tour makes more than Eras just like Eras topped previous tours.

But what is it about Taylor that makes you say that, for instance, Beyonce or Rhianna or Madonna or Britney or Mariah or even Cher or Tina Turner or Aretha Franklin, cannot "touch" her success and impact? Why does Taylor belong in a separate class, other than you simply liking her music more than theirs (there are going to be lots of people who prefer the music of one of those artists to Taylor as well).

Yes all female artists experience misogyny. Taylor is not the first and she also doesn't get it the worst-- much of what she's done owes a lot to paths cut by others on that list, or lessons Taylor learned from because of how other artists suffered.

Honestly, it’s like people can’t use the Google. Check out where she is as a best selling artist relative to the time she’s actually been in the business, or even alive.

But she’s not even close to the best selling artist alive.

Can you even google? DP

https://www.statista.com/chart/31803/best-selling-global-recording-artists/

Top streaming artist doesn’t mean best selling. We’ve been over this.

Rihanna has the most certified sales. The Beatles have the most overall sales.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to what TS has done that’s unprecedented. This seems to be a claim by a lot of Swifties. There’s this notion that she is uniquely successful, influential, etc.

It’s not record sales. Among artists that started in the 2000s, Rihanna beats her. If you take Eminem (1999 start), he does too.

It’s not cultural impact. Madonna and MJ were enormous in their heyday.

It’s not impact on the music industry. The Beatles arguably began the notion of the rock band, had the first concept album, first major merchandising contracts, first stadium tour.

So what is it?

OMG. You are the very definition of pedantic. Look - people are going to like what they like. You may not approve, but luckily no one is looking to you for approval.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to what TS has done that’s unprecedented. This seems to be a claim by a lot of Swifties. There’s this notion that she is uniquely successful, influential, etc.

It’s not record sales. Among artists that started in the 2000s, Rihanna beats her. If you take Eminem (1999 start), he does too.

It’s not cultural impact. Madonna and MJ were enormous in their heyday.

It’s not impact on the music industry. The Beatles arguably began the notion of the rock band, had the first concept album, first major merchandising contracts, first stadium tour.

So what is it?

OMG. You are the very definition of pedantic. Look - people are going to like what they like. You may not approve, but luckily no one is looking to you for approval.

So you have no counter. Got it.