Gen Xers - Do you find Taylor Swift’s music bland?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to what TS has done that’s unprecedented. This seems to be a claim by a lot of Swifties. There’s this notion that she is uniquely successful, influential, etc.

It’s not record sales. Among artists that started in the 2000s, Rihanna beats her. If you take Eminem (1999 start), he does too.

It’s not cultural impact. Madonna and MJ were enormous in their heyday.

It’s not impact on the music industry. The Beatles arguably began the notion of the rock band, had the first concept album, first major merchandising contracts, first stadium tour.

So what is it?

Who knows... maybe it's because she's the least offensive? It's probably hard work to be that dull, but it sure has made her rich.

I know, right? Why can’t she have multiple kids with different baby daddies? Why doesn’t she do drugs? Why doesn’t she dress in super revealing clothes? Why doesn’t she f-bomb her way through conversations? Why doesn’t she date rappers or abusive boyfriends? Why is she so inoffensive? What’s wrong with her.

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When it comes down to it, I just really like her lyrics in her songs. The rest is super fun, but the lyrics are what really make her who she is to me.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to what TS has done that’s unprecedented. This seems to be a claim by a lot of Swifties. There’s this notion that she is uniquely successful, influential, etc.

It’s not record sales. Among artists that started in the 2000s, Rihanna beats her. If you take Eminem (1999 start), he does too.

It’s not cultural impact. Madonna and MJ were enormous in their heyday.

It’s not impact on the music industry. The Beatles arguably began the notion of the rock band, had the first concept album, first major merchandising contracts, first stadium tour.

So what is it?

Who knows... maybe it's because she's the least offensive? It's probably hard work to be that dull, but it sure has made her rich.

I know, right? Why can’t she have multiple kids with different baby daddies? Why doesn’t she do drugs? Why doesn’t she dress in super revealing clothes? Why doesn’t she f-bomb her way through conversations? Why doesn’t she date rappers or abusive boyfriends? Why is she so inoffensive? What’s wrong with her.

Again, you all just don’t get it.

She’s bland. She barely ever expresses her opinion.

Pink is awesome. She’s outspoken. That’s the kind of person I admire in music.

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Anonymous wrote:My 2nd grader has even been frustrated about how obsessed her friends are with TS.

Yesterday she asked me why they all love her so much. “They say she’s the best musician in the world. She’s not, right? Why are they so obsessed with her?”

Wow, your 2nd grader is so musically progressive. Are they always this critical of their friends?

She’s a really kind friend. She just doesn’t understand why they keep talking about what is to her a random person.

I have a 2nd grade DD too and she doesn't dislike TS at all and really likes some of her songs but has also expressed frustration about the level of obsession among her friends. DD listens to lots of different kinds of music though and a lot of her friends just went straight from the Disney musicals to TS with no side journeys and I get why this is annoying. It feels brainless. Not because TS is bad but because she's the biggest pop star in the world and "everyone likes her" and it feels like a substitute for developing your own tastes and interests. But I think the world is sort of set up to encourage kids to think this way -- so much of kids' media is about telling kids "this is what you should like now" instead of just exposing kids to different things and seeing what they enjoy.

I like TS fine but I do sometimes feel like discussion of her blots out everything else. I think this is why these threads devolve into sniping where some people are criticizing Swift and then the Swifties come in to refute every criticism. It's because of the expectation that "everyone" has to like her and also like everything about her. You aren't allowed to say "I like some of her music but I find her presence at NFL games annoying" or "I think TTPD is great but hated everything before it" or "I really liked her music when I was younger but it just doesn't speak to me anymore." If you say any of these things you will immediately have someone jumping on you and saying your qualified fandom is wrong and misogynistic. But I think those are all reasonable comments and I think if you made them about pretty much anyone else they would go unremarked upon. But with Swift they will be refuted. Why? It's just an opinion.

I think if you were to look at some of these threads, you will find many comments that people don’t respond to or take offense to. Even people who don’t like or say negative things about her. The things that I see being commented on and browbeaten are 3 variations on a theme I don’t see that about other artists:

1 is Taylor’s music sucks, and that her fans are just too stupid to know it. And then they will inevitably talk about all the cool artists that they like. And then I guess they’re just “countercultural” or something for not liking Taylor (Yes, someone up there actually used this term).

Gee I wonder why people would take offense to that or maybe take the time to respond to it? It’s condescending as hell.

2 is Very similar, but we don’t actually like her music, we are just being marketed to, and we only think we like her music. Fans are just too stupid to realize this, but they see the light thank goodness.

3 also similar is no, her music is good, it’s just that she has nothing to do with it and I guess it’s like 4 white males behind the curtains like the Wizard of Oz doing it all and she is just the brand. This one is my favorite because I love to think about The National’s Aaron Dessner in his kitchen in his flannel shirt penning the lyrics to So High School.

With other artists if people don’t like them they tend not to start 100 threads on them and berate their fans. I’m not big into Ed Sheeran and I don’t really understand why anyone would go to a concert, but when I found out a friend of mine was going, I didn’t spend a lot of time pondering why the hell would you do that, and run off to DCUM and start threads bashing Ed and his fans.

Like With anything, I’m sure in real life This would be much more nuanced and pleasant conversation and back-and-forth. It’s just the Internet everything just devolved. Seriously don’t know if most of my friends even like Taylor Swift or not.

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The people who are most triggered here are those who insist there’s nothing special about TS and anyone who disagrees is a musical moron. Because they know best, of course. Which speaks volumes about them, IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to what TS has done that’s unprecedented. This seems to be a claim by a lot of Swifties. There’s this notion that she is uniquely successful, influential, etc.

It’s not record sales. Among artists that started in the 2000s, Rihanna beats her. If you take Eminem (1999 start), he does too.

It’s not cultural impact. Madonna and MJ were enormous in their heyday.

It’s not impact on the music industry. The Beatles arguably began the notion of the rock band, had the first concept album, first major merchandising contracts, first stadium tour.

So what is it?

Who knows... maybe it's because she's the least offensive? It's probably hard work to be that dull, but it sure has made her rich.

I know, right? Why can’t she have multiple kids with different baby daddies? Why doesn’t she do drugs? Why doesn’t she dress in super revealing clothes? Why doesn’t she f-bomb her way through conversations? Why doesn’t she date rappers or abusive boyfriends? Why is she so inoffensive? What’s wrong with her.

Again, you all just don’t get it.

She’s bland. She barely ever expresses her opinion.

Pink is awesome. She’s outspoken. That’s the kind of person I admire in music.

OK, that’s great!

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Anonymous wrote:Personally, some of my favorite Taylor Swift songs to listen to are the acoustic versions.

Me too. Someone mentioned Ed Sheeran earlier - I’m not a huge fan of his either but I do love this duet with TS:

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Anonymous wrote:What are the young boys listening to these days?

90s rock. Foo Fighters, Green Day, Offspring, Nirvana, The Smiths etc for mine.

My daughter likes 90s rock too! Random songs, really, and part of it might be because her dad and I are in a 90s rock cover band, so she hears it a lot.

^^^ this

your kids listen to what you play for them, it's not what they are "into".

It's both. Kids will often mimic the musical tastes of those around them (their parents or their friends) but they can also develop interests and taste on their own. Sometimes kids hear something in a movie or TV show (or in a commercial or on the radio) and latch onto it. If they have ways to access it on their own (which streaming offers in a way that kids never had before) they absolutely can get "into" things that that their parents and friends didn't introduce them to. That's one of the joys of music when you're a kid -- it can open doors beyond what they would otherwise be exposed to. So if your parent is really into 90s grunge you might hear some Taylor Swift and be like "wow this speaks to me in a way my parents' music doesn't." Or if all your friends are obsessed with Swift but then you get your hands on some old school country or a copy of Nevermind you might thing "whoa why isn't everyone I know listening to THIS instead?" People including kids can develop taste organically without having it dictated to them by others.

Which is the point of this thread. For some people they hear TS and love it and the fact that it's everywhere is great because cool -- more of a thing I love. But other people -- even if they approach it with an open mind -- will just never click with it and will wonder what the hype is about. Neither is wrong. It's cool so many people get joy from Swift's music but also it's totally fine if you don't like it and it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you.

Totally agree and really don’t see the point of this thread either. My kids have grown up listening to all kinds of music and have always been free to choose whatever resonates with them. The same goes for the adults on this thread. To each their own!

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Anonymous wrote:PP won’t play 90s rock for their kids but 70s rock is fine. Hmm:

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Could you start your own thread please?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to what TS has done that’s unprecedented. This seems to be a claim by a lot of Swifties. There’s this notion that she is uniquely successful, influential, etc.

It’s not record sales. Among artists that started in the 2000s, Rihanna beats her. If you take Eminem (1999 start), he does too.

It’s not cultural impact. Madonna and MJ were enormous in their heyday.

It’s not impact on the music industry. The Beatles arguably began the notion of the rock band, had the first concept album, first major merchandising contracts, first stadium tour.

So what is it?

I disagree on cultural impact. A couple of months ago my husband and I who are both in our late 40s were telling our daughters about the night Michael Jackson first performed the moonwalk. And what a different time it was because the next day all of our classmates and teachers were talking about it.

It’s just so much harder in today’s pop cultural landscape, with kids maybe looking at TikTok and having their own streaming profile, and parents being on a totally different social media platform and a totally different streaming profile. We are all watching different shows, listening to different music more on our own little devices.

You can get on a plane and watch whatever you want, versus years ago it was one movie being shown. So I think it’s not just Taylor but the general landscape, it’s kind of crazy all the generations seem to know her and how much attention she gets.

Taylor’s vinyl album sales are also pretty insane for this day and age. Yes 30 years ago you would not have blinked, but the fact that there are so many young kids actually buying vinyl records because of her is pretty impressive.

Clearly there’s lots of other artists and pop culture figures who’ve had a huge impact and maybe even the same or similar or more, but she is definitely up there with them.

Vinyl sales went up before she started to really hit it big. Yes, she has had good vinyl sales, but part of that is because she puts out so many editions of her albums.

I think of her as a contemporary version of Madonna or another diva. I simply don’t see where she’s breaking new ground.

I love Madonna, and have been to some of her concerts. I just don’t see people talking about or reacting to Madonna concerts the same way they react to Taylor’s. The Eras tour seems a little unprecedented to me. Of course other artists have had hugely successful tours, I’m not trying to say they haven’t, but I guess I just don’t understand what we’re arguing about. Taylor is big and popular. I don’t understand why that’s controversial or even subjective.

When you say you've been to a Madonna concert do you mean in the last 10-15 years or do you mean you saw The Blonde Ambition or Girlie Show tours in the early 90s? Because those are the tours that would have been more comparable to Eras in terms of feeling culturally groundbreaking and being just the hottest thing going. Madonna's image from Blonde Ambition -- the Gautier conical corset in gold or champagne with the short curly blonde bob and the headset mic -- is so iconic that many of Taylor's looks from Eras offer references to that tour and to the Madonna's overall approach to touring and performance. A lot of what people now consider standard for a major pop star doing an arena or stadium tour was fairly original when Madonna was at her peak in her career. She was also pushing boundaries in a way Taylor doesn't -- her Sex book and the documentary that went with it (which also came out early 90s) was part of Madonna actively moving the culture in ways that went beyond music (greater acceptance of homosexuality and bisexuality and more frankness in talking about sexuality outside of traditional heterosexual sex in marriage). Whether you like that or not is beside the point (I'm actually a bit of a prude and kind of roll my eyes at some of it) -- it was culturally influential in a major way.

That's not me saying that Madonna is better than Taylor Swift or that Swift is not culturally influential. I don't even have strong feelings about Madonna and while I enjoy a lot of her early music in a nostalgic way because it was part of the soundtrack of my youth. But when someone tells me that Swift is just way more culturally important than Madonna was because they are comparing Eras to one of Madonna's more recent tours that she has done in her 50s and 60s it just sounds uneducated to me. Taylor Swift is culturally huge and her current tour is unquestionably the biggest thing going in pop music. But the idea that she is somehow unprecedented and is bigger and more important than any pop star that came before her? If you are Gen X or older you know that's not true.

I’m Gen X… I went to her earlier concerts. I’m definitely not disagreeing with you. it seems like we are making two different points. I am simply saying Taylor is big. Not trying to compare them or say which one is better. Just that Taylor is impacting the zeitgeist.

Lots of celebs - I can name literally dozens - have spoken out against Trump in a way that is way more brazen and even insulting than Taylor’s very nuanced endorsement of Harris. And yet no one has gotten under Trump’s skin more that he actually had to tweet out I hate Taylor Swift.

I just feel it’s examples like that that are really unprecedented. Her ability to have millions of people register to vote after simply asking them to last year. Madonna and others were involved in Rock the Vote a couple decades ago which was genius and ahead of its time. But I don’t think it had nearly the impact. Taylor got time person of the year. Taylor’s concert selling out movie theaters, again in an age when people aren’t really going to movie theaters as much…. Just examples like that I’m thinking of. Certainly other musicians have had major cultural impact too. And again, maybe Taylor hasn’t had MORE , but she’s definitely up there with one of the most influential.

You're previous post: "I love Madonna, and have been to some of her concerts. I just don’t see people talking about or reacting to Madonna concerts the same way they react to Taylor’s. The Eras tour seems a little unprecedented to me."

It's just a weird thing to say if you saw Madonna live in like 1990. I think a lot of us agree Swift is hugely influential and big. But it's the assertion that she's unprecedented and that no one has ever done this before. Like regarding Trump -- of course people have gotten under his skin like this before. It's not hard -- he's an exceptionally thin-skinned man. Chrissy Teigen has successfully baited him. So has Rosie O'Donnel. Are they cultural juggernauts.

I agree Taylor IS a cultural juggernaut but I don't understand the insistence on comparing her to the Beatles or madonna and claiming she's bigger or more influential. First it's impossible to know now -- she honestly might wind up being more on par with Cher or Bruce Springsteen or others who have had their heyday and are remembered but were not transformational once-in-a-generation artists like others. Which by the way is not an insult and I think might not even be within Taylor's control -- a lot of that is dictated by timing and what happens around an artist and how their music interacts with what else is going on.

I just don't get the desire to argue that Taylor Swift is somehow uniquely more important or significant than anyone who has come before. What's the point. Why not just enjoy her music now if that's your thing and be glad you live in a time when an artist you like a lot is so bountifully present.

I think we all know you don't get it. We hear you loud and clear.

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I really wish the PP who keeps writing overly long screeds would stop. She is saying the same things over and over and it’s beyond tiresome.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can't believe some of you type such long rants on here. Don't you people have jobs and/or friends?

Exactly!! Seems the hobby for some of these people is insisting that they just don’t get the appeal of Taylor Swift. Ok? So quit typing long winded screeds about and go do something you enjoy.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious as to what TS has done that’s unprecedented. This seems to be a claim by a lot of Swifties. There’s this notion that she is uniquely successful, influential, etc.

It’s not record sales. Among artists that started in the 2000s, Rihanna beats her. If you take Eminem (1999 start), he does too.

It’s not cultural impact. Madonna and MJ were enormous in their heyday.

It’s not impact on the music industry. The Beatles arguably began the notion of the rock band, had the first concept album, first major merchandising contracts, first stadium tour.

So what is it?

I disagree on cultural impact. A couple of months ago my husband and I who are both in our late 40s were telling our daughters about the night Michael Jackson first performed the moonwalk. And what a different time it was because the next day all of our classmates and teachers were talking about it.

It’s just so much harder in today’s pop cultural landscape, with kids maybe looking at TikTok and having their own streaming profile, and parents being on a totally different social media platform and a totally different streaming profile. We are all watching different shows, listening to different music more on our own little devices.

You can get on a plane and watch whatever you want, versus years ago it was one movie being shown. So I think it’s not just Taylor but the general landscape, it’s kind of crazy all the generations seem to know her and how much attention she gets.

Taylor’s vinyl album sales are also pretty insane for this day and age. Yes 30 years ago you would not have blinked, but the fact that there are so many young kids actually buying vinyl records because of her is pretty impressive.

Clearly there’s lots of other artists and pop culture figures who’ve had a huge impact and maybe even the same or similar or more, but she is definitely up there with them.

Vinyl sales went up before she started to really hit it big. Yes, she has had good vinyl sales, but part of that is because she puts out so many editions of her albums.

I think of her as a contemporary version of Madonna or another diva. I simply don’t see where she’s breaking new ground.

I love Madonna, and have been to some of her concerts. I just don’t see people talking about or reacting to Madonna concerts the same way they react to Taylor’s. The Eras tour seems a little unprecedented to me. Of course other artists have had hugely successful tours, I’m not trying to say they haven’t, but I guess I just don’t understand what we’re arguing about. Taylor is big and popular. I don’t understand why that’s controversial or even subjective.

When you say you've been to a Madonna concert do you mean in the last 10-15 years or do you mean you saw The Blonde Ambition or Girlie Show tours in the early 90s? Because those are the tours that would have been more comparable to Eras in terms of feeling culturally groundbreaking and being just the hottest thing going. Madonna's image from Blonde Ambition -- the Gautier conical corset in gold or champagne with the short curly blonde bob and the headset mic -- is so iconic that many of Taylor's looks from Eras offer references to that tour and to the Madonna's overall approach to touring and performance. A lot of what people now consider standard for a major pop star doing an arena or stadium tour was fairly original when Madonna was at her peak in her career. She was also pushing boundaries in a way Taylor doesn't -- her Sex book and the documentary that went with it (which also came out early 90s) was part of Madonna actively moving the culture in ways that went beyond music (greater acceptance of homosexuality and bisexuality and more frankness in talking about sexuality outside of traditional heterosexual sex in marriage). Whether you like that or not is beside the point (I'm actually a bit of a prude and kind of roll my eyes at some of it) -- it was culturally influential in a major way.

That's not me saying that Madonna is better than Taylor Swift or that Swift is not culturally influential. I don't even have strong feelings about Madonna and while I enjoy a lot of her early music in a nostalgic way because it was part of the soundtrack of my youth. But when someone tells me that Swift is just way more culturally important than Madonna was because they are comparing Eras to one of Madonna's more recent tours that she has done in her 50s and 60s it just sounds uneducated to me. Taylor Swift is culturally huge and her current tour is unquestionably the biggest thing going in pop music. But the idea that she is somehow unprecedented and is bigger and more important than any pop star that came before her? If you are Gen X or older you know that's not true.

I’m Gen X… I went to her earlier concerts. I’m definitely not disagreeing with you. it seems like we are making two different points. I am simply saying Taylor is big. Not trying to compare them or say which one is better. Just that Taylor is impacting the zeitgeist.

Lots of celebs - I can name literally dozens - have spoken out against Trump in a way that is way more brazen and even insulting than Taylor’s very nuanced endorsement of Harris. And yet no one has gotten under Trump’s skin more that he actually had to tweet out I hate Taylor Swift.

I just feel it’s examples like that that are really unprecedented. Her ability to have millions of people register to vote after simply asking them to last year. Madonna and others were involved in Rock the Vote a couple decades ago which was genius and ahead of its time. But I don’t think it had nearly the impact. Taylor got time person of the year. Taylor’s concert selling out movie theaters, again in an age when people aren’t really going to movie theaters as much…. Just examples like that I’m thinking of. Certainly other musicians have had major cultural impact too. And again, maybe Taylor hasn’t had MORE , but she’s definitely up there with one of the most influential.

You're previous post: "I love Madonna, and have been to some of her concerts. I just don’t see people talking about or reacting to Madonna concerts the same way they react to Taylor’s. The Eras tour seems a little unprecedented to me."

It's just a weird thing to say if you saw Madonna live in like 1990. I think a lot of us agree Swift is hugely influential and big. But it's the assertion that she's unprecedented and that no one has ever done this before. Like regarding Trump -- of course people have gotten under his skin like this before. It's not hard -- he's an exceptionally thin-skinned man. Chrissy Teigen has successfully baited him. So has Rosie O'Donnel. Are they cultural juggernauts.

I agree Taylor IS a cultural juggernaut but I don't understand the insistence on comparing her to the Beatles or madonna and claiming she's bigger or more influential. First it's impossible to know now -- she honestly might wind up being more on par with Cher or Bruce Springsteen or others who have had their heyday and are remembered but were not transformational once-in-a-generation artists like others. Which by the way is not an insult and I think might not even be within Taylor's control -- a lot of that is dictated by timing and what happens around an artist and how their music interacts with what else is going on.

I just don't get the desire to argue that Taylor Swift is somehow uniquely more important or significant than anyone who has come before. What's the point. Why not just enjoy her music now if that's your thing and be glad you live in a time when an artist you like a lot is so bountifully present.

I think we all know you don't get it. We hear you loud and clear.

So even if someone agrees that Taylor is very successful and culturally relevant you think they are stupid and "don't get it" if they won't also agree that she is "bigger than the Beatles and Madonna"? Like if you get it then you understand Taylor Swift is the second coming of Christ? Otherwise you are hopelessly out of touch.

I guess a lot of us "don't get it" then

DP. You are the only person who keeps weirdly invoking the Beatles and Madonna. Move on, already!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can't believe some of you type such long rants on here. Don't you people have jobs and/or friends?

You think my friends want to hear me rant about Taylor Swift?

You think we want to hear your rants?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can't believe some of you type such long rants on here. Don't you people have jobs and/or friends?

Some of us are lawyers who write lengthy arguments for a living. I could do this in my sleep. Or like today I could do it in two minute bursts between conference calls and picking my daughter up from school.

Excuse me while I vomit.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I can't believe some of you type such long rants on here. Don't you people have jobs and/or friends?

No, they're Trailer Swift fans!

The rants are being written by the Swift-haters. Inexplicably so.

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

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I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Actually, I don’t really care whether people like her or not. I understand she is not everyone’s cup of tea. I think people mainly take issue with the criticisms that come from generalizations or ignorance, or even a dismissal of her themes as unimportant because they appeal to young women as though that is a bad thing. There’s a deeper body of work there underneath the radio hits. I understand not everyone has the time or willingness to listen to them. But many people still speak before they know.

Yep. It’s the obvious misogyny and impossible standards Taylor is held to that get some of us riled up.

The problem is when you cast any criticism of her as misogyny.

Not any. But certainly some. And anytime it’s brought up it’s cast as rabid crazy hysterical women defending her.

No one has said it’s rabid hysterical women.

But you all seemed to take a huge amount of offense at the notion that TS writing lyrics and basically not music means that her winning songwriting awards is a bit weird. At the very least, she should be winning them with Max Martin, Shellback, and the others who write the instrumentation.

DP. It has been explained to you over and over that she does, indeed, write the melodies to her songs. They are created on the piano or guitar - by her - and then she works with her collaborators and/or producers to fill them out with more instrumentation. I’m not sure what about this is confusing to you?

No she doesn’t. She is given what are called bed tracks by her producers and then she writes lyrics on top of them.

This may be true for some of her songs, but the vast majority are written by her with the melody first laid out on guitar or piano. By her. If you’d ever bothered to watch one of the documentaries that was mentioned earlier, you would know this.