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Anonymous wrote:How did using 3 big biobanded kids on every team work out for the BSC U14's and U15's this weekend?

Bethesda U14's and U15's even with their multiple biobanded big kids were totally dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up.

Boot and Chase ball has severe limitations at top levels

I'm all for bashing Bethesda's misuse of the bio-banding rule. I was hoping that they would have changed the practice this season for the 2010s. They were blatantly floiting the rule last year playing 3 fully developed 2009 players.

At the same time, let's not understate DCU's physicality by saying "DCU teams with small players playing up." Sure there are some standout smaller players they play up and play portions of the matches, but on the whole, the U15 team is big fast and physical.

I haven't seen a small U15's team anywhere in MLS Next since the puberty testosterone and growth spurts are kicking in at those ages.
That said, DCU has multiple 2011's playing U15

What does playing portions of the match mean?
Everyone plays portions of matches, no?

you sound really defensive. its a big physical fast team. It's ok.

Because you sound simple and stupid discounting their individual technical skills and creativity they use to dominate a Bethesda who on average has a bigger, older more physically aggressive team.

now you sound extremely defensive. I love the players on that team. I'm not a Bethesda parent, or fan, and DCU U15 is not small. You said, "dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up." nobody discounted anything, just calling out your implication that DCU U-15 is small players playing up.

I thought the PP was talking about the U14's as well?

Whether the kids are small or big, the reality is that if you really watch any DCU game at pretty much all ages, what you'll see is a very unsophisticated way of playing (i.e. glorified kick and run football) and very weak philosophical/tactical underpinning at the club coming from the top of the academy and the leadership overall. DCU has most of the physically developed kids in the area (for the most part) with a few late bloomers thrown in (and kids who are playing up) which allows them to physically dominate most opponents. But, what you'll see very fast is that when a team can match their physicality and speed and actually knows how to play football against them, they are VERY weak. Not in one age, but all ages. It isn't the kids, it is how they are coached and assembled.
Bethesda is just trying to keep things together to stay competitive because they have realized that the clock is ticking on their relevancy. Why they bio band so much. Its sad actually because at the end of the day the only ones that are losing are these kids because they aren't getting developed like the rest of the world develops youth football talent. They are getting used to win games and, in DCU's case, keep them credible in MLS Academy world, and in Bethesda's case, keep the dumb parents paying ridiculous money for their kid to seem "elite".

True, think DCU wiped SYC this past weekend all age groups.

No. The DCU U15s lost to SYC 1-0. The other age groups won. Think about the gravity of that in the context of the competitive landscape. Here you have a club that takes the best players from the all the local clubs and STILL can’t consistently beat them. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaching and development methodology at DCU I don’t know what is.

Only in America where the soccer dunce feel a comfortable right to speak loudly in public would someone say a U15 team lost a game 1:0 to a good opponent so it's a statement on the organization's overall individual player development methodology 🤣🤣

How soccer dumb are some of you folks?

Please tell us how that scoreboard tells the story of the individual development methodology? Be specific.

(I guess academies in South America, Africa, Europe and the rest of America never lose games at U15, or they all have bad player development?) lol

Professional academies in Europe don’t lose to local teams because they have the best players and the best coaches. If they do it is because they are playing older kids. It would be like Real Madrid losing to the town team in the 4th division. It just doesnt happen. Of course u15 teams in Europe lose games. Just not to non professional academies. And if they do it is VERY rare. DCU has the best players but loses to local teams. Draw whatever conclusion you want about that.

If you have the best kids in the area and you’re a professional academy, you can’t draw the conclusion that the kids are developing if those teams are losing to local teams. If anything they should be absolutely shredding them. Your argument works if SYC and DCU are similarly situated but the reality is they aren’t. Winning doesn’t equal development. I agree. But no professional academy wants to lose to local teams.

Said like a true USA youth soccer giant suv driving suburbia parent.

If DCU Academy cared more about winning than individual development, they wouldn't be playing little 2012's against 2011's and several of their top 2011's wouldn't be playing 2010's

In that same vein, their top 2010's wouldn't be playing 2009's if they were only focused on winning.
Every age group at DCU has multiple players training and playing up.
Obviously development is the priority over winning games against MLS Next teams.

But you short sighted medals and trophies chasing parents with kids not at MLS Club level don't and wouldn't understand.

You are so soccer ignorant and stupid, you think after DCU signs 20 U14 kids every kid after that at Bethesda, SYC, Alexandria, Achilles, Baltimore Armor and top ECNL teams are not good players and there is a massive gap in talent?
Like every academy, DCU picks kids that fit their needs and philosophy and what they think are the best future potential, not just current performance.

You that daft to think only 22 good U15's are in the DMV?

What is your personal and professional knowledge and experience of what happens at a Real Madrid level academy or PSG or Ajax or Bayern Munich?
Those teams lose to non Division 1 club academies periodically as well because no youth team has consistency in game results when development is primary focus.

You basically didn't understand the PP's point about Real Madrid vs local club. The poster said PROFESSIONAL ACADEMIES in Europe don't lose to local clubs (non professional academies). PP didn't say they don't lose to other pro academies in lower divisions. This happens all the time.

The fact of the matter is that division 3 professional clubs in a country like Spain or Germany or England have solid academies because the emphasis is again on development of pros. This is how smaller academies and clubs in Europe stay alive. There are 2. Bundesliga clubs in Germany that have stadiums that are bigger than American Football stadiums. That is the SECOND league. Of course those types clubs and even smaller clubs can field competitive youth teams in their academies regardless of being in the first league or not. So again, it is very common for a smaller pro academies to have very strong youth sides because that is how they can compete with the big boys (developing players within and not pay for them).

And YES, there is a pretty big gap in the DCU kids and the rest of the MLS Next kids in the region. Why DCU usually wipes the floor with almost all of them at the younger ages. If there isn't a gap, again, DCU is doing something VERY VERY wrong (in scouting and coaching) considering they are taking the best of the best from the region. Are there some kids that can play that aren't at DCU, of course. But end of day, DCU has most of the top players in the area under their wing. Not all, for various reasons, but most.

Playing up is just not a very convincing argument that development is the focus. So what. You are bigger and faster than everyone in your age, so you play older kids. Not a hard decision to make. Literally you need no skills or coaching experience to make that call. Bravo if DCU can do that.

People that stupid around here that they really think after DCU recruits 20 players every kid not there is trash?

Then that means the whole DCUM except for a couple have kids that are trash players and way below the levels of DCU players

Let's stop comparing Real Madrid or Barca or PSG or Arsenal academy to any American academy.
Stop being ridiculous.
Nothing from the clubs to the academy to the coaches to the coaching to the parents to the culture is the same.

No one has produced a Win/Loss record to prove Real Madrid U15's or any academy U15's in Europe is unbeaten.

btw If this was Europe, SYC would be an Academy.
Alexandria would be an Academy.

Listen folks, if DCU rejected your kid like many of us, that's no reason to go on stupid anti-DCU crusades.
If Philly Union is doing a great job of recruiting and development of individuals, how does that translate to another academy isn't?

Corvettes are slow because McLarens are faster?

The PP actually said that their are good players outside of DCU. So your first two points are just not relevant. The argument that is being made is that DCU has the majority of the good players in the area (not all) because they are taking the best kids from ALL the clubs. I don't think this is really debatable.

European academies are the models that the US is striving for so the comparison is certainly valid. But, yes, we are not close to Europe in our academy system and that is clear. DCU is a clear example of that. Philly Union is an example of how we are getting closer to Europe. Same with Red Bulls, FC Dallas and a few others.

The PP didn't offer that European pro academies are unbeaten. The poster said they do get beat. Just not by LOCAL, non professional academies. It just doesn't happen.

In Europe, SYC, Alexandria, Bethesda etc would actually NOT be academy level soccer because they don't have a professional pathway, meaning that a youth player cannot sign a professional contract at these clubs and they are all pay to play. Academy level soccer in Europe is free like MLS academies in the US. This in turn means that they would be considered local clubs and the entry level to youth football in the country. Local clubs feed the pro clubs (clubs that actually can sign players to contracts) and players work their way up that ladder because in most European countries there are 3, 4 or sometimes 5 different levels of pro soccer and different levels of pro academies.

Funny how you assume that DCU rejected a kid for anyone to say things that are critical of the program. Here is one site that ranks the MLS academies. I stumbled on this googling the academies in the MLS and how they compare to each other: https://www.ussoccercollective.com/mls/mls-academy-rankings

Of course, you can debate methodology, bias, blah blah, but end of day it is an opinion based on observation and also data. If you look at the analysis it isn't based on nothing. This site has a pretty solid grasp on the youth pool in our country. Of course it isn't perfect. No site is. But it does a better job than most. DCU is 21st out of the 26 MLS academies. DCU was one of two MLS academies (Minnesota United, the one ranked dead last in the rankings. was the other) that was still pay to play as recently as 4 years ago (2020) which was a travesty. They only changed because the MLS made them fall in line with the rest of the leagues academies.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dc-united-announce-operational-plans-youth-academy-departing-pay-play-model

The DCU Academy doesn't even have its own fields to practice on. Let THAT sink in as you think about management's commitment to the academy and the players. Meanwhile, only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future.

https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/news/philadelphia-union-announce-groundbreaking-of-wsfs-bank-sportsplex

https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2024/05/14/and-so-it-begins-red-bulls-start-construction-of-new-training-facility-in-morris-township-n-j/#google_vignette

No, Corvettes aren't slow because Mclarens are faster. But Corvettes are clearly not faster than Mclarens because they don't have the same quality of materials, engineering, production, technology etc. Corvettes are great cars. Mclarens are in a different category and segment of cars than Corvettes. Just like the top MLS academies are in a different category than DCU.

"Of course, you can debate methodology, bias, blah blah, but end of day it is an opinion..."

At least this time you were honest enough to admit its just a website that is an unofficial source of information for soccer enthusiasts who love gossip.
Yet you still in bold list their unscientific opinions as gospel.

You sir lack credibility in your personal crusade.
Also, I'm sure whoever you are, you aren't winning this battle against the DCU Academy because they didn't want you son.

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How many from SYC really went to DCU?

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Anonymous wrote:How did using 3 big biobanded kids on every team work out for the BSC U14's and U15's this weekend?

Bethesda U14's and U15's even with their multiple biobanded big kids were totally dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up.

Boot and Chase ball has severe limitations at top levels

I'm all for bashing Bethesda's misuse of the bio-banding rule. I was hoping that they would have changed the practice this season for the 2010s. They were blatantly floiting the rule last year playing 3 fully developed 2009 players.

At the same time, let's not understate DCU's physicality by saying "DCU teams with small players playing up." Sure there are some standout smaller players they play up and play portions of the matches, but on the whole, the U15 team is big fast and physical.

I haven't seen a small U15's team anywhere in MLS Next since the puberty testosterone and growth spurts are kicking in at those ages.
That said, DCU has multiple 2011's playing U15

What does playing portions of the match mean?
Everyone plays portions of matches, no?

you sound really defensive. its a big physical fast team. It's ok.

Because you sound simple and stupid discounting their individual technical skills and creativity they use to dominate a Bethesda who on average has a bigger, older more physically aggressive team.

now you sound extremely defensive. I love the players on that team. I'm not a Bethesda parent, or fan, and DCU U15 is not small. You said, "dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up." nobody discounted anything, just calling out your implication that DCU U-15 is small players playing up.

I thought the PP was talking about the U14's as well?

Whether the kids are small or big, the reality is that if you really watch any DCU game at pretty much all ages, what you'll see is a very unsophisticated way of playing (i.e. glorified kick and run football) and very weak philosophical/tactical underpinning at the club coming from the top of the academy and the leadership overall. DCU has most of the physically developed kids in the area (for the most part) with a few late bloomers thrown in (and kids who are playing up) which allows them to physically dominate most opponents. But, what you'll see very fast is that when a team can match their physicality and speed and actually knows how to play football against them, they are VERY weak. Not in one age, but all ages. It isn't the kids, it is how they are coached and assembled.
Bethesda is just trying to keep things together to stay competitive because they have realized that the clock is ticking on their relevancy. Why they bio band so much. Its sad actually because at the end of the day the only ones that are losing are these kids because they aren't getting developed like the rest of the world develops youth football talent. They are getting used to win games and, in DCU's case, keep them credible in MLS Academy world, and in Bethesda's case, keep the dumb parents paying ridiculous money for their kid to seem "elite".

True, think DCU wiped SYC this past weekend all age groups.

No. The DCU U15s lost to SYC 1-0. The other age groups won. Think about the gravity of that in the context of the competitive landscape. Here you have a club that takes the best players from the all the local clubs and STILL can’t consistently beat them. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaching and development methodology at DCU I don’t know what is.

Only in America where the soccer dunce feel a comfortable right to speak loudly in public would someone say a U15 team lost a game 1:0 to a good opponent so it's a statement on the organization's overall individual player development methodology 🤣🤣

How soccer dumb are some of you folks?

Please tell us how that scoreboard tells the story of the individual development methodology? Be specific.

(I guess academies in South America, Africa, Europe and the rest of America never lose games at U15, or they all have bad player development?) lol

Professional academies in Europe don’t lose to local teams because they have the best players and the best coaches. If they do it is because they are playing older kids. It would be like Real Madrid losing to the town team in the 4th division. It just doesnt happen. Of course u15 teams in Europe lose games. Just not to non professional academies. And if they do it is VERY rare. DCU has the best players but loses to local teams. Draw whatever conclusion you want about that.

If you have the best kids in the area and you’re a professional academy, you can’t draw the conclusion that the kids are developing if those teams are losing to local teams. If anything they should be absolutely shredding them. Your argument works if SYC and DCU are similarly situated but the reality is they aren’t. Winning doesn’t equal development. I agree. But no professional academy wants to lose to local teams.

Kids went from SYC to DCU but SYC kids are miles away from DCU kids.
Got it 👍

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What evidence do you have that size and speed is prioritized by these clubs?
Do you have access to the scouting and recruiting guidelines? Can you share with us?

In contrast then, what are Bethesda, Baltimore Armor, Alexandria etc prioritizing in recruiting?

That you are questioning whether SYC prioritizes size tells me you haven't been to any MLS Next matches. Their 2010 group, particularly last year, was bigger than the DC United (pro team, not academy) roster. And that's not an exaggeration. The 2011 group has five kids near six feet tall at 13 years old. I guess this is just a coincidence? Because I don't see the average 13 yo population at near six feet tall. As for DC United...to be fair, most of the academies are going with the physically advanced kids because they want to compete at the highest levels. It's a short term prospect. And it's the typical trap of American soccer that has been broadly discussed here. Win trophies now. Pass on technical players who could have bright futures. In terms of other clubs you mentioned....Baltimore Armor is also huge. Alexandria is a mixed bag but does give smaller kids a chance to at least make the roster - maybe not play as much. Bethesda traditionally doesn't care about size but they have a couple coaches who are now pushing size hard - see biobanding threads on this forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Both DCU and SYC prioritize size and speed. Do they have a few smaller, technical players to balance it out? Yes, and those kids have a far greater chance of being pros because they have to be so much better technically to get picked up by these clubs. The fact is that for over the last decade DCU and SYC are producing few true few elite college players and virtually no true pros. Bethesda, Arlington, NVA, VDA, and other clubs will have about 4 to 8 kids in each class who will play high level college soccer. It's not that different than DCU and better than SYC because eventually the size advantage equals out and the technical skills and game knowledge aren't there. Early bloomers feast in youth soccer and starve in adult soccer.

Great points.

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Anonymous wrote:How did using 3 big biobanded kids on every team work out for the BSC U14's and U15's this weekend?

Bethesda U14's and U15's even with their multiple biobanded big kids were totally dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up.

Boot and Chase ball has severe limitations at top levels

I'm all for bashing Bethesda's misuse of the bio-banding rule. I was hoping that they would have changed the practice this season for the 2010s. They were blatantly floiting the rule last year playing 3 fully developed 2009 players.

At the same time, let's not understate DCU's physicality by saying "DCU teams with small players playing up." Sure there are some standout smaller players they play up and play portions of the matches, but on the whole, the U15 team is big fast and physical.

I haven't seen a small U15's team anywhere in MLS Next since the puberty testosterone and growth spurts are kicking in at those ages.
That said, DCU has multiple 2011's playing U15

What does playing portions of the match mean?
Everyone plays portions of matches, no?

you sound really defensive. its a big physical fast team. It's ok.

Because you sound simple and stupid discounting their individual technical skills and creativity they use to dominate a Bethesda who on average has a bigger, older more physically aggressive team.

now you sound extremely defensive. I love the players on that team. I'm not a Bethesda parent, or fan, and DCU U15 is not small. You said, "dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up." nobody discounted anything, just calling out your implication that DCU U-15 is small players playing up.

I thought the PP was talking about the U14's as well?

Whether the kids are small or big, the reality is that if you really watch any DCU game at pretty much all ages, what you'll see is a very unsophisticated way of playing (i.e. glorified kick and run football) and very weak philosophical/tactical underpinning at the club coming from the top of the academy and the leadership overall. DCU has most of the physically developed kids in the area (for the most part) with a few late bloomers thrown in (and kids who are playing up) which allows them to physically dominate most opponents. But, what you'll see very fast is that when a team can match their physicality and speed and actually knows how to play football against them, they are VERY weak. Not in one age, but all ages. It isn't the kids, it is how they are coached and assembled.
Bethesda is just trying to keep things together to stay competitive because they have realized that the clock is ticking on their relevancy. Why they bio band so much. Its sad actually because at the end of the day the only ones that are losing are these kids because they aren't getting developed like the rest of the world develops youth football talent. They are getting used to win games and, in DCU's case, keep them credible in MLS Academy world, and in Bethesda's case, keep the dumb parents paying ridiculous money for their kid to seem "elite".

True, think DCU wiped SYC this past weekend all age groups.

No. The DCU U15s lost to SYC 1-0. The other age groups won. Think about the gravity of that in the context of the competitive landscape. Here you have a club that takes the best players from the all the local clubs and STILL can’t consistently beat them. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaching and development methodology at DCU I don’t know what is.

Only in America where the soccer dunce feel a comfortable right to speak loudly in public would someone say a U15 team lost a game 1:0 to a good opponent so it's a statement on the organization's overall individual player development methodology 🤣🤣

How soccer dumb are some of you folks?

Please tell us how that scoreboard tells the story of the individual development methodology? Be specific.

(I guess academies in South America, Africa, Europe and the rest of America never lose games at U15, or they all have bad player development?) lol

Professional academies in Europe don’t lose to local teams because they have the best players and the best coaches. If they do it is because they are playing older kids. It would be like Real Madrid losing to the town team in the 4th division. It just doesnt happen. Of course u15 teams in Europe lose games. Just not to non professional academies. And if they do it is VERY rare. DCU has the best players but loses to local teams. Draw whatever conclusion you want about that.

If you have the best kids in the area and you’re a professional academy, you can’t draw the conclusion that the kids are developing if those teams are losing to local teams. If anything they should be absolutely shredding them. Your argument works if SYC and DCU are similarly situated but the reality is they aren’t. Winning doesn’t equal development. I agree. But no professional academy wants to lose to local teams.

Said like a true USA youth soccer giant suv driving suburbia parent.

If DCU Academy cared more about winning than individual development, they wouldn't be playing little 2012's against 2011's and several of their top 2011's wouldn't be playing 2010's

In that same vein, their top 2010's wouldn't be playing 2009's if they were only focused on winning.
Every age group at DCU has multiple players training and playing up.
Obviously development is the priority over winning games against MLS Next teams.

But you short sighted medals and trophies chasing parents with kids not at MLS Club level don't and wouldn't understand.

You are so soccer ignorant and stupid, you think after DCU signs 20 U14 kids every kid after that at Bethesda, SYC, Alexandria, Achilles, Baltimore Armor and top ECNL teams are not good players and there is a massive gap in talent?
Like every academy, DCU picks kids that fit their needs and philosophy and what they think are the best future potential, not just current performance.

You that daft to think only 22 good U15's are in the DMV?

What is your personal and professional knowledge and experience of what happens at a Real Madrid level academy or PSG or Ajax or Bayern Munich?
Those teams lose to non Division 1 club academies periodically as well because no youth team has consistency in game results when development is primary focus.

You basically didn't understand the PP's point about Real Madrid vs local club. The poster said PROFESSIONAL ACADEMIES in Europe don't lose to local clubs (non professional academies). PP didn't say they don't lose to other pro academies in lower divisions. This happens all the time.

The fact of the matter is that division 3 professional clubs in a country like Spain or Germany or England have solid academies because the emphasis is again on development of pros. This is how smaller academies and clubs in Europe stay alive. There are 2. Bundesliga clubs in Germany that have stadiums that are bigger than American Football stadiums. That is the SECOND league. Of course those types clubs and even smaller clubs can field competitive youth teams in their academies regardless of being in the first league or not. So again, it is very common for a smaller pro academies to have very strong youth sides because that is how they can compete with the big boys (developing players within and not pay for them).

And YES, there is a pretty big gap in the DCU kids and the rest of the MLS Next kids in the region. Why DCU usually wipes the floor with almost all of them at the younger ages. If there isn't a gap, again, DCU is doing something VERY VERY wrong (in scouting and coaching) considering they are taking the best of the best from the region. Are there some kids that can play that aren't at DCU, of course. But end of day, DCU has most of the top players in the area under their wing. Not all, for various reasons, but most.

Playing up is just not a very convincing argument that development is the focus. So what. You are bigger and faster than everyone in your age, so you play older kids. Not a hard decision to make. Literally you need no skills or coaching experience to make that call. Bravo if DCU can do that.

People that stupid around here that they really think after DCU recruits 20 players every kid not there is trash?

Then that means the whole DCUM except for a couple have kids that are trash players and way below the levels of DCU players

Let's stop comparing Real Madrid or Barca or PSG or Arsenal academy to any American academy.
Stop being ridiculous.
Nothing from the clubs to the academy to the coaches to the coaching to the parents to the culture is the same.

No one has produced a Win/Loss record to prove Real Madrid U15's or any academy U15's in Europe is unbeaten.

btw If this was Europe, SYC would be an Academy.
Alexandria would be an Academy.

Listen folks, if DCU rejected your kid like many of us, that's no reason to go on stupid anti-DCU crusades.
If Philly Union is doing a great job of recruiting and development of individuals, how does that translate to another academy isn't?

Corvettes are slow because McLarens are faster?

The PP actually said that their are good players outside of DCU. So your first two points are just not relevant. The argument that is being made is that DCU has the majority of the good players in the area (not all) because they are taking the best kids from ALL the clubs. I don't think this is really debatable.

European academies are the models that the US is striving for so the comparison is certainly valid. But, yes, we are not close to Europe in our academy system and that is clear. DCU is a clear example of that. Philly Union is an example of how we are getting closer to Europe. Same with Red Bulls, FC Dallas and a few others.

The PP didn't offer that European pro academies are unbeaten. The poster said they do get beat. Just not by LOCAL, non professional academies. It just doesn't happen.

In Europe, SYC, Alexandria, Bethesda etc would actually NOT be academy level soccer because they don't have a professional pathway, meaning that a youth player cannot sign a professional contract at these clubs and they are all pay to play. Academy level soccer in Europe is free like MLS academies in the US. This in turn means that they would be considered local clubs and the entry level to youth football in the country. Local clubs feed the pro clubs (clubs that actually can sign players to contracts) and players work their way up that ladder because in most European countries there are 3, 4 or sometimes 5 different levels of pro soccer and different levels of pro academies.

Funny how you assume that DCU rejected a kid for anyone to say things that are critical of the program. Here is one site that ranks the MLS academies. I stumbled on this googling the academies in the MLS and how they compare to each other: https://www.ussoccercollective.com/mls/mls-academy-rankings

Of course, you can debate methodology, bias, blah blah, but end of day it is an opinion based on observation and also data. If you look at the analysis it isn't based on nothing. This site has a pretty solid grasp on the youth pool in our country. Of course it isn't perfect. No site is. But it does a better job than most. DCU is 21st out of the 26 MLS academies. DCU was one of two MLS academies (Minnesota United, the one ranked dead last in the rankings. was the other) that was still pay to play as recently as 4 years ago (2020) which was a travesty. They only changed because the MLS made them fall in line with the rest of the leagues academies.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dc-united-announce-operational-plans-youth-academy-departing-pay-play-model

The DCU Academy doesn't even have its own fields to practice on. Let THAT sink in as you think about management's commitment to the academy and the players. Meanwhile, only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future.

https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/news/philadelphia-union-announce-groundbreaking-of-wsfs-bank-sportsplex

https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2024/05/14/and-so-it-begins-red-bulls-start-construction-of-new-training-facility-in-morris-township-n-j/#google_vignette

No, Corvettes aren't slow because Mclarens are faster. But Corvettes are clearly not faster than Mclarens because they don't have the same quality of materials, engineering, production, technology etc. Corvettes are great cars. Mclarens are in a different category and segment of cars than Corvettes. Just like the top MLS academies are in a different category than DCU.

"only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future"

How does distance make sense in the area of finance and financial investment?

Are you present at owners, board and management meetings to be able to speak on the future visions of Red Bulls, Philly or DC?

Distance isn't relevant to the financial investment. Distance IS relevant to this discussion because there are legitimate alternatives to DCU that are not far from the DMV that are making investments in their academies and doing things overall FAR FAR FAR BETTER than DCU. In the competitive landscape, this is highly relevant to DCU's ability to attract and retain talent - the lifeblood of an effective academy.

No one needs to be present at board meetings etc. to understand a club that has some vision. Those two clubs have made visible and PUBLIC long term investments in their academy infrastructure. That alone shows vision considering academies are short term financial losses. What is DCU doing that can come even close?

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What evidence do you have that size and speed is prioritized by these clubs?
Do you have access to the scouting and recruiting guidelines? Can you share with us?

In contrast then, what are Bethesda, Baltimore Armor, Alexandria etc prioritizing in recruiting?

That you are questioning whether SYC prioritizes size tells me you haven't been to any MLS Next matches. Their 2010 group, particularly last year, was bigger than the DC United (pro team, not academy) roster. And that's not an exaggeration. The 2011 group has five kids near six feet tall at 13 years old. I guess this is just a coincidence? Because I don't see the average 13 yo population at near six feet tall. As for DC United...to be fair, most of the academies are going with the physically advanced kids because they want to compete at the highest levels. It's a short term prospect. And it's the typical trap of American soccer that has been broadly discussed here. Win trophies now. Pass on technical players who could have bright futures. In terms of other clubs you mentioned....Baltimore Armor is also huge. Alexandria is a mixed bag but does give smaller kids a chance to at least make the roster - maybe not play as much. Bethesda traditionally doesn't care about size but they have a couple coaches who are now pushing size hard - see biobanding threads on this forum.

The preceding was brought to you be the poster's opinion and biases.
Nothing said above has been verified or measured as factual or truthful.

Maybe the poster should have looked up the multiple D1 including several Ivy League schools DCU players went to in 2024 class.
If you don't know the names of at least 2 DC Academy players that went Pro recently, you shouldn't be commenting at all

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Anonymous wrote:Both DCU and SYC prioritize size and speed. Do they have a few smaller, technical players to balance it out? Yes, and those kids have a far greater chance of being pros because they have to be so much better technically to get picked up by these clubs. The fact is that for over the last decade DCU and SYC are producing few true few elite college players and virtually no true pros. Bethesda, Arlington, NVA, VDA, and other clubs will have about 4 to 8 kids in each class who will play high level college soccer. It's not that different than DCU and better than SYC because eventually the size advantage equals out and the technical skills and game knowledge aren't there. Early bloomers feast in youth soccer and starve in adult soccer.

What evidence do you have that size and speed is prioritized by these clubs?
Do you have access to the scouting and recruiting guidelines? Can you share with us?

In contrast then, what are Bethesda, Baltimore Armor, Alexandria etc prioritizing in recruiting?

This person is obsessed with evidence but yet offers nothing. What evidence do you have that proves otherwise??

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Anonymous wrote:How did using 3 big biobanded kids on every team work out for the BSC U14's and U15's this weekend?

Bethesda U14's and U15's even with their multiple biobanded big kids were totally dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up.

Boot and Chase ball has severe limitations at top levels

I'm all for bashing Bethesda's misuse of the bio-banding rule. I was hoping that they would have changed the practice this season for the 2010s. They were blatantly floiting the rule last year playing 3 fully developed 2009 players.

At the same time, let's not understate DCU's physicality by saying "DCU teams with small players playing up." Sure there are some standout smaller players they play up and play portions of the matches, but on the whole, the U15 team is big fast and physical.

I haven't seen a small U15's team anywhere in MLS Next since the puberty testosterone and growth spurts are kicking in at those ages.
That said, DCU has multiple 2011's playing U15

What does playing portions of the match mean?
Everyone plays portions of matches, no?

you sound really defensive. its a big physical fast team. It's ok.

Because you sound simple and stupid discounting their individual technical skills and creativity they use to dominate a Bethesda who on average has a bigger, older more physically aggressive team.

now you sound extremely defensive. I love the players on that team. I'm not a Bethesda parent, or fan, and DCU U15 is not small. You said, "dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up." nobody discounted anything, just calling out your implication that DCU U-15 is small players playing up.

I thought the PP was talking about the U14's as well?

Whether the kids are small or big, the reality is that if you really watch any DCU game at pretty much all ages, what you'll see is a very unsophisticated way of playing (i.e. glorified kick and run football) and very weak philosophical/tactical underpinning at the club coming from the top of the academy and the leadership overall. DCU has most of the physically developed kids in the area (for the most part) with a few late bloomers thrown in (and kids who are playing up) which allows them to physically dominate most opponents. But, what you'll see very fast is that when a team can match their physicality and speed and actually knows how to play football against them, they are VERY weak. Not in one age, but all ages. It isn't the kids, it is how they are coached and assembled.
Bethesda is just trying to keep things together to stay competitive because they have realized that the clock is ticking on their relevancy. Why they bio band so much. Its sad actually because at the end of the day the only ones that are losing are these kids because they aren't getting developed like the rest of the world develops youth football talent. They are getting used to win games and, in DCU's case, keep them credible in MLS Academy world, and in Bethesda's case, keep the dumb parents paying ridiculous money for their kid to seem "elite".

True, think DCU wiped SYC this past weekend all age groups.

No. The DCU U15s lost to SYC 1-0. The other age groups won. Think about the gravity of that in the context of the competitive landscape. Here you have a club that takes the best players from the all the local clubs and STILL can’t consistently beat them. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaching and development methodology at DCU I don’t know what is.

Only in America where the soccer dunce feel a comfortable right to speak loudly in public would someone say a U15 team lost a game 1:0 to a good opponent so it's a statement on the organization's overall individual player development methodology 🤣🤣

How soccer dumb are some of you folks?

Please tell us how that scoreboard tells the story of the individual development methodology? Be specific.

(I guess academies in South America, Africa, Europe and the rest of America never lose games at U15, or they all have bad player development?) lol

But SYC is not a “good” opponent. Everyone knows that SYC can be beaten assuming you are the size and speed as they are and and/or have the technical skill to outplay them. Their game relies heavily on physicality, quick runs on the side, long passes, etc.

Presumably dcu has the more technically skilled players and equally strong and fast players yet they still lost.

FWIW, this whole discussion really applies only to players who are talented enough to make a run at a high level D1 or pro career and for that tiny number, they do care a lot about whether DCU is the right spot to be developed.

So SYC has Recreational players?

Presumably, if DC United played all their 2010's against SYC they would have won the U15's game. If they considered that a must win.
But since they had some 2010's playing with the 09's instead, obviously only you littles consider the W or L the important thing.
Small minds think small things.

The argument that a club is not fielding their best on age team because their best players are playing up doesn’t have a place in professional youth academies. I expect the bench to be much, much deeper at a pro youth academy. I’d say their recruiting is flawed if they cannot field a second team that can beat local teams easily.

THIS

You don't know why people are not going to DCU. They still may not be getting the best players. DCU went to online academy for some age groups. The location is really far for most of the DMV. The reality of a kid playing pro, or even playing in college is low. This area is a high academic area and a lot kids whether on DCU or not, are smart and would rather go to a great college than play college soccer at a D2 or D3. The college soccer player portal and changes with roster limits along with covid have really killed most kids dreams.

Explain why a kid leaving DC United Academy has a low probability of playing soccer in college?

If the kid from the MLS Professional Club Academy has a low chance of playing college, who then has the high chance?

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Anonymous wrote:How did using 3 big biobanded kids on every team work out for the BSC U14's and U15's this weekend?

Bethesda U14's and U15's even with their multiple biobanded big kids were totally dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up.

Boot and Chase ball has severe limitations at top levels

I'm all for bashing Bethesda's misuse of the bio-banding rule. I was hoping that they would have changed the practice this season for the 2010s. They were blatantly floiting the rule last year playing 3 fully developed 2009 players.

At the same time, let's not understate DCU's physicality by saying "DCU teams with small players playing up." Sure there are some standout smaller players they play up and play portions of the matches, but on the whole, the U15 team is big fast and physical.

I haven't seen a small U15's team anywhere in MLS Next since the puberty testosterone and growth spurts are kicking in at those ages.
That said, DCU has multiple 2011's playing U15

What does playing portions of the match mean?
Everyone plays portions of matches, no?

you sound really defensive. its a big physical fast team. It's ok.

Because you sound simple and stupid discounting their individual technical skills and creativity they use to dominate a Bethesda who on average has a bigger, older more physically aggressive team.

now you sound extremely defensive. I love the players on that team. I'm not a Bethesda parent, or fan, and DCU U15 is not small. You said, "dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up." nobody discounted anything, just calling out your implication that DCU U-15 is small players playing up.

I thought the PP was talking about the U14's as well?

Whether the kids are small or big, the reality is that if you really watch any DCU game at pretty much all ages, what you'll see is a very unsophisticated way of playing (i.e. glorified kick and run football) and very weak philosophical/tactical underpinning at the club coming from the top of the academy and the leadership overall. DCU has most of the physically developed kids in the area (for the most part) with a few late bloomers thrown in (and kids who are playing up) which allows them to physically dominate most opponents. But, what you'll see very fast is that when a team can match their physicality and speed and actually knows how to play football against them, they are VERY weak. Not in one age, but all ages. It isn't the kids, it is how they are coached and assembled.
Bethesda is just trying to keep things together to stay competitive because they have realized that the clock is ticking on their relevancy. Why they bio band so much. Its sad actually because at the end of the day the only ones that are losing are these kids because they aren't getting developed like the rest of the world develops youth football talent. They are getting used to win games and, in DCU's case, keep them credible in MLS Academy world, and in Bethesda's case, keep the dumb parents paying ridiculous money for their kid to seem "elite".

True, think DCU wiped SYC this past weekend all age groups.

No. The DCU U15s lost to SYC 1-0. The other age groups won. Think about the gravity of that in the context of the competitive landscape. Here you have a club that takes the best players from the all the local clubs and STILL can’t consistently beat them. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaching and development methodology at DCU I don’t know what is.

Only in America where the soccer dunce feel a comfortable right to speak loudly in public would someone say a U15 team lost a game 1:0 to a good opponent so it's a statement on the organization's overall individual player development methodology 🤣🤣

How soccer dumb are some of you folks?

Please tell us how that scoreboard tells the story of the individual development methodology? Be specific.

(I guess academies in South America, Africa, Europe and the rest of America never lose games at U15, or they all have bad player development?) lol

Professional academies in Europe don’t lose to local teams because they have the best players and the best coaches. If they do it is because they are playing older kids. It would be like Real Madrid losing to the town team in the 4th division. It just doesnt happen. Of course u15 teams in Europe lose games. Just not to non professional academies. And if they do it is VERY rare. DCU has the best players but loses to local teams. Draw whatever conclusion you want about that.

If you have the best kids in the area and you’re a professional academy, you can’t draw the conclusion that the kids are developing if those teams are losing to local teams. If anything they should be absolutely shredding them. Your argument works if SYC and DCU are similarly situated but the reality is they aren’t. Winning doesn’t equal development. I agree. But no professional academy wants to lose to local teams.

Said like a true USA youth soccer giant suv driving suburbia parent.

If DCU Academy cared more about winning than individual development, they wouldn't be playing little 2012's against 2011's and several of their top 2011's wouldn't be playing 2010's

In that same vein, their top 2010's wouldn't be playing 2009's if they were only focused on winning.
Every age group at DCU has multiple players training and playing up.
Obviously development is the priority over winning games against MLS Next teams.

But you short sighted medals and trophies chasing parents with kids not at MLS Club level don't and wouldn't understand.

You are so soccer ignorant and stupid, you think after DCU signs 20 U14 kids every kid after that at Bethesda, SYC, Alexandria, Achilles, Baltimore Armor and top ECNL teams are not good players and there is a massive gap in talent?
Like every academy, DCU picks kids that fit their needs and philosophy and what they think are the best future potential, not just current performance.

You that daft to think only 22 good U15's are in the DMV?

What is your personal and professional knowledge and experience of what happens at a Real Madrid level academy or PSG or Ajax or Bayern Munich?
Those teams lose to non Division 1 club academies periodically as well because no youth team has consistency in game results when development is primary focus.

You basically didn't understand the PP's point about Real Madrid vs local club. The poster said PROFESSIONAL ACADEMIES in Europe don't lose to local clubs (non professional academies). PP didn't say they don't lose to other pro academies in lower divisions. This happens all the time.

The fact of the matter is that division 3 professional clubs in a country like Spain or Germany or England have solid academies because the emphasis is again on development of pros. This is how smaller academies and clubs in Europe stay alive. There are 2. Bundesliga clubs in Germany that have stadiums that are bigger than American Football stadiums. That is the SECOND league. Of course those types clubs and even smaller clubs can field competitive youth teams in their academies regardless of being in the first league or not. So again, it is very common for a smaller pro academies to have very strong youth sides because that is how they can compete with the big boys (developing players within and not pay for them).

And YES, there is a pretty big gap in the DCU kids and the rest of the MLS Next kids in the region. Why DCU usually wipes the floor with almost all of them at the younger ages. If there isn't a gap, again, DCU is doing something VERY VERY wrong (in scouting and coaching) considering they are taking the best of the best from the region. Are there some kids that can play that aren't at DCU, of course. But end of day, DCU has most of the top players in the area under their wing. Not all, for various reasons, but most.

Playing up is just not a very convincing argument that development is the focus. So what. You are bigger and faster than everyone in your age, so you play older kids. Not a hard decision to make. Literally you need no skills or coaching experience to make that call. Bravo if DCU can do that.

People that stupid around here that they really think after DCU recruits 20 players every kid not there is trash?

Then that means the whole DCUM except for a couple have kids that are trash players and way below the levels of DCU players

Let's stop comparing Real Madrid or Barca or PSG or Arsenal academy to any American academy.
Stop being ridiculous.
Nothing from the clubs to the academy to the coaches to the coaching to the parents to the culture is the same.

No one has produced a Win/Loss record to prove Real Madrid U15's or any academy U15's in Europe is unbeaten.

btw If this was Europe, SYC would be an Academy.
Alexandria would be an Academy.

Listen folks, if DCU rejected your kid like many of us, that's no reason to go on stupid anti-DCU crusades.
If Philly Union is doing a great job of recruiting and development of individuals, how does that translate to another academy isn't?

Corvettes are slow because McLarens are faster?

The PP actually said that their are good players outside of DCU. So your first two points are just not relevant. The argument that is being made is that DCU has the majority of the good players in the area (not all) because they are taking the best kids from ALL the clubs. I don't think this is really debatable.

European academies are the models that the US is striving for so the comparison is certainly valid. But, yes, we are not close to Europe in our academy system and that is clear. DCU is a clear example of that. Philly Union is an example of how we are getting closer to Europe. Same with Red Bulls, FC Dallas and a few others.

The PP didn't offer that European pro academies are unbeaten. The poster said they do get beat. Just not by LOCAL, non professional academies. It just doesn't happen.

In Europe, SYC, Alexandria, Bethesda etc would actually NOT be academy level soccer because they don't have a professional pathway, meaning that a youth player cannot sign a professional contract at these clubs and they are all pay to play. Academy level soccer in Europe is free like MLS academies in the US. This in turn means that they would be considered local clubs and the entry level to youth football in the country. Local clubs feed the pro clubs (clubs that actually can sign players to contracts) and players work their way up that ladder because in most European countries there are 3, 4 or sometimes 5 different levels of pro soccer and different levels of pro academies.

Funny how you assume that DCU rejected a kid for anyone to say things that are critical of the program. Here is one site that ranks the MLS academies. I stumbled on this googling the academies in the MLS and how they compare to each other: https://www.ussoccercollective.com/mls/mls-academy-rankings

Of course, you can debate methodology, bias, blah blah, but end of day it is an opinion based on observation and also data. If you look at the analysis it isn't based on nothing. This site has a pretty solid grasp on the youth pool in our country. Of course it isn't perfect. No site is. But it does a better job than most. DCU is 21st out of the 26 MLS academies. DCU was one of two MLS academies (Minnesota United, the one ranked dead last in the rankings. was the other) that was still pay to play as recently as 4 years ago (2020) which was a travesty. They only changed because the MLS made them fall in line with the rest of the leagues academies.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dc-united-announce-operational-plans-youth-academy-departing-pay-play-model

The DCU Academy doesn't even have its own fields to practice on. Let THAT sink in as you think about management's commitment to the academy and the players. Meanwhile, only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future.

https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/news/philadelphia-union-announce-groundbreaking-of-wsfs-bank-sportsplex

https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2024/05/14/and-so-it-begins-red-bulls-start-construction-of-new-training-facility-in-morris-township-n-j/#google_vignette

No, Corvettes aren't slow because Mclarens are faster. But Corvettes are clearly not faster than Mclarens because they don't have the same quality of materials, engineering, production, technology etc. Corvettes are great cars. Mclarens are in a different category and segment of cars than Corvettes. Just like the top MLS academies are in a different category than DCU.

"Of course, you can debate methodology, bias, blah blah, but end of day it is an opinion..."

At least this time you were honest enough to admit its just a website that is an unofficial source of information for soccer enthusiasts who love gossip.
Yet you still in bold list their unscientific opinions as gospel.

You sir lack credibility in your personal crusade.
Also, I'm sure whoever you are, you aren't winning this battle against the DCU Academy because they didn't want you son.

No, the PP is absolutely credible in what is being offered. Much more than you are.

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What evidence do you have that size and speed is prioritized by these clubs?
Do you have access to the scouting and recruiting guidelines? Can you share with us?

In contrast then, what are Bethesda, Baltimore Armor, Alexandria etc prioritizing in recruiting?

That you are questioning whether SYC prioritizes size tells me you haven't been to any MLS Next matches. Their 2010 group, particularly last year, was bigger than the DC United (pro team, not academy) roster. And that's not an exaggeration. The 2011 group has five kids near six feet tall at 13 years old. I guess this is just a coincidence? Because I don't see the average 13 yo population at near six feet tall. As for DC United...to be fair, most of the academies are going with the physically advanced kids because they want to compete at the highest levels. It's a short term prospect. And it's the typical trap of American soccer that has been broadly discussed here. Win trophies now. Pass on technical players who could have bright futures. In terms of other clubs you mentioned....Baltimore Armor is also huge. Alexandria is a mixed bag but does give smaller kids a chance to at least make the roster - maybe not play as much. Bethesda traditionally doesn't care about size but they have a couple coaches who are now pushing size hard - see biobanding threads on this forum.

Bethesda, Armour, Alexandria prioritize one thing. MONEY. That is it. All you have to do is look at the players on the field at DCU to get a sense of what the commonality is. It isn't rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:How did using 3 big biobanded kids on every team work out for the BSC U14's and U15's this weekend?

Bethesda U14's and U15's even with their multiple biobanded big kids were totally dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up.

Boot and Chase ball has severe limitations at top levels

I'm all for bashing Bethesda's misuse of the bio-banding rule. I was hoping that they would have changed the practice this season for the 2010s. They were blatantly floiting the rule last year playing 3 fully developed 2009 players.

At the same time, let's not understate DCU's physicality by saying "DCU teams with small players playing up." Sure there are some standout smaller players they play up and play portions of the matches, but on the whole, the U15 team is big fast and physical.

I haven't seen a small U15's team anywhere in MLS Next since the puberty testosterone and growth spurts are kicking in at those ages.
That said, DCU has multiple 2011's playing U15

What does playing portions of the match mean?
Everyone plays portions of matches, no?

you sound really defensive. its a big physical fast team. It's ok.

Because you sound simple and stupid discounting their individual technical skills and creativity they use to dominate a Bethesda who on average has a bigger, older more physically aggressive team.

now you sound extremely defensive. I love the players on that team. I'm not a Bethesda parent, or fan, and DCU U15 is not small. You said, "dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up." nobody discounted anything, just calling out your implication that DCU U-15 is small players playing up.

I thought the PP was talking about the U14's as well?

Whether the kids are small or big, the reality is that if you really watch any DCU game at pretty much all ages, what you'll see is a very unsophisticated way of playing (i.e. glorified kick and run football) and very weak philosophical/tactical underpinning at the club coming from the top of the academy and the leadership overall. DCU has most of the physically developed kids in the area (for the most part) with a few late bloomers thrown in (and kids who are playing up) which allows them to physically dominate most opponents. But, what you'll see very fast is that when a team can match their physicality and speed and actually knows how to play football against them, they are VERY weak. Not in one age, but all ages. It isn't the kids, it is how they are coached and assembled.
Bethesda is just trying to keep things together to stay competitive because they have realized that the clock is ticking on their relevancy. Why they bio band so much. Its sad actually because at the end of the day the only ones that are losing are these kids because they aren't getting developed like the rest of the world develops youth football talent. They are getting used to win games and, in DCU's case, keep them credible in MLS Academy world, and in Bethesda's case, keep the dumb parents paying ridiculous money for their kid to seem "elite".

True, think DCU wiped SYC this past weekend all age groups.

No. The DCU U15s lost to SYC 1-0. The other age groups won. Think about the gravity of that in the context of the competitive landscape. Here you have a club that takes the best players from the all the local clubs and STILL can’t consistently beat them. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaching and development methodology at DCU I don’t know what is.

Only in America where the soccer dunce feel a comfortable right to speak loudly in public would someone say a U15 team lost a game 1:0 to a good opponent so it's a statement on the organization's overall individual player development methodology 🤣🤣

How soccer dumb are some of you folks?

Please tell us how that scoreboard tells the story of the individual development methodology? Be specific.

(I guess academies in South America, Africa, Europe and the rest of America never lose games at U15, or they all have bad player development?) lol

Professional academies in Europe don’t lose to local teams because they have the best players and the best coaches. If they do it is because they are playing older kids. It would be like Real Madrid losing to the town team in the 4th division. It just doesnt happen. Of course u15 teams in Europe lose games. Just not to non professional academies. And if they do it is VERY rare. DCU has the best players but loses to local teams. Draw whatever conclusion you want about that.

If you have the best kids in the area and you’re a professional academy, you can’t draw the conclusion that the kids are developing if those teams are losing to local teams. If anything they should be absolutely shredding them. Your argument works if SYC and DCU are similarly situated but the reality is they aren’t. Winning doesn’t equal development. I agree. But no professional academy wants to lose to local teams.

Said like a true USA youth soccer giant suv driving suburbia parent.

If DCU Academy cared more about winning than individual development, they wouldn't be playing little 2012's against 2011's and several of their top 2011's wouldn't be playing 2010's

In that same vein, their top 2010's wouldn't be playing 2009's if they were only focused on winning.
Every age group at DCU has multiple players training and playing up.
Obviously development is the priority over winning games against MLS Next teams.

But you short sighted medals and trophies chasing parents with kids not at MLS Club level don't and wouldn't understand.

You are so soccer ignorant and stupid, you think after DCU signs 20 U14 kids every kid after that at Bethesda, SYC, Alexandria, Achilles, Baltimore Armor and top ECNL teams are not good players and there is a massive gap in talent?
Like every academy, DCU picks kids that fit their needs and philosophy and what they think are the best future potential, not just current performance.

You that daft to think only 22 good U15's are in the DMV?

What is your personal and professional knowledge and experience of what happens at a Real Madrid level academy or PSG or Ajax or Bayern Munich?
Those teams lose to non Division 1 club academies periodically as well because no youth team has consistency in game results when development is primary focus.

You basically didn't understand the PP's point about Real Madrid vs local club. The poster said PROFESSIONAL ACADEMIES in Europe don't lose to local clubs (non professional academies). PP didn't say they don't lose to other pro academies in lower divisions. This happens all the time.

The fact of the matter is that division 3 professional clubs in a country like Spain or Germany or England have solid academies because the emphasis is again on development of pros. This is how smaller academies and clubs in Europe stay alive. There are 2. Bundesliga clubs in Germany that have stadiums that are bigger than American Football stadiums. That is the SECOND league. Of course those types clubs and even smaller clubs can field competitive youth teams in their academies regardless of being in the first league or not. So again, it is very common for a smaller pro academies to have very strong youth sides because that is how they can compete with the big boys (developing players within and not pay for them).

And YES, there is a pretty big gap in the DCU kids and the rest of the MLS Next kids in the region. Why DCU usually wipes the floor with almost all of them at the younger ages. If there isn't a gap, again, DCU is doing something VERY VERY wrong (in scouting and coaching) considering they are taking the best of the best from the region. Are there some kids that can play that aren't at DCU, of course. But end of day, DCU has most of the top players in the area under their wing. Not all, for various reasons, but most.

Playing up is just not a very convincing argument that development is the focus. So what. You are bigger and faster than everyone in your age, so you play older kids. Not a hard decision to make. Literally you need no skills or coaching experience to make that call. Bravo if DCU can do that.

People that stupid around here that they really think after DCU recruits 20 players every kid not there is trash?

Then that means the whole DCUM except for a couple have kids that are trash players and way below the levels of DCU players

Let's stop comparing Real Madrid or Barca or PSG or Arsenal academy to any American academy.
Stop being ridiculous.
Nothing from the clubs to the academy to the coaches to the coaching to the parents to the culture is the same.

No one has produced a Win/Loss record to prove Real Madrid U15's or any academy U15's in Europe is unbeaten.

btw If this was Europe, SYC would be an Academy.
Alexandria would be an Academy.

Listen folks, if DCU rejected your kid like many of us, that's no reason to go on stupid anti-DCU crusades.
If Philly Union is doing a great job of recruiting and development of individuals, how does that translate to another academy isn't?

Corvettes are slow because McLarens are faster?

The PP actually said that their are good players outside of DCU. So your first two points are just not relevant. The argument that is being made is that DCU has the majority of the good players in the area (not all) because they are taking the best kids from ALL the clubs. I don't think this is really debatable.

European academies are the models that the US is striving for so the comparison is certainly valid. But, yes, we are not close to Europe in our academy system and that is clear. DCU is a clear example of that. Philly Union is an example of how we are getting closer to Europe. Same with Red Bulls, FC Dallas and a few others.

The PP didn't offer that European pro academies are unbeaten. The poster said they do get beat. Just not by LOCAL, non professional academies. It just doesn't happen.

In Europe, SYC, Alexandria, Bethesda etc would actually NOT be academy level soccer because they don't have a professional pathway, meaning that a youth player cannot sign a professional contract at these clubs and they are all pay to play. Academy level soccer in Europe is free like MLS academies in the US. This in turn means that they would be considered local clubs and the entry level to youth football in the country. Local clubs feed the pro clubs (clubs that actually can sign players to contracts) and players work their way up that ladder because in most European countries there are 3, 4 or sometimes 5 different levels of pro soccer and different levels of pro academies.

Funny how you assume that DCU rejected a kid for anyone to say things that are critical of the program. Here is one site that ranks the MLS academies. I stumbled on this googling the academies in the MLS and how they compare to each other: https://www.ussoccercollective.com/mls/mls-academy-rankings

Of course, you can debate methodology, bias, blah blah, but end of day it is an opinion based on observation and also data. If you look at the analysis it isn't based on nothing. This site has a pretty solid grasp on the youth pool in our country. Of course it isn't perfect. No site is. But it does a better job than most. DCU is 21st out of the 26 MLS academies. DCU was one of two MLS academies (Minnesota United, the one ranked dead last in the rankings. was the other) that was still pay to play as recently as 4 years ago (2020) which was a travesty. They only changed because the MLS made them fall in line with the rest of the leagues academies.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dc-united-announce-operational-plans-youth-academy-departing-pay-play-model

The DCU Academy doesn't even have its own fields to practice on. Let THAT sink in as you think about management's commitment to the academy and the players. Meanwhile, only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future.

https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/news/philadelphia-union-announce-groundbreaking-of-wsfs-bank-sportsplex

https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2024/05/14/and-so-it-begins-red-bulls-start-construction-of-new-training-facility-in-morris-township-n-j/#google_vignette

No, Corvettes aren't slow because Mclarens are faster. But Corvettes are clearly not faster than Mclarens because they don't have the same quality of materials, engineering, production, technology etc. Corvettes are great cars. Mclarens are in a different category and segment of cars than Corvettes. Just like the top MLS academies are in a different category than DCU.

"only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future"

How does distance make sense in the area of finance and financial investment?

Are you present at owners, board and management meetings to be able to speak on the future visions of Red Bulls, Philly or DC?

Distance isn't relevant to the financial investment. Distance IS relevant to this discussion because there are legitimate alternatives to DCU that are not far from the DMV that are making investments in their academies and doing things overall FAR FAR FAR BETTER than DCU. In the competitive landscape, this is highly relevant to DCU's ability to attract and retain talent - the lifeblood of an effective academy.

No one needs to be present at board meetings etc. to understand a club that has some vision. Those two clubs have made visible and PUBLIC long term investments in their academy infrastructure. That alone shows vision considering academies are short term financial losses. What is DCU doing that can come even close?

Does Chelsea and Manchester City academies make the same investments as QPR?
Does PSG and Marseille make the same investments as Lyon?
NO.... but all listed academies produce good players.

Saying "far far better" in all caps is still your opinion

Either you don't understand how it works or you're full of crap to say Philadelphia and New York are easy options for DMV based players.
Explain exactly how its an easy option.
Don't forget to include the facts about the families and the fact Red Bulls and Union has an abundance of talent in their area to choose from.

When did your child get rejected and what was the reason given?

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What evidence do you have that size and speed is prioritized by these clubs?
Do you have access to the scouting and recruiting guidelines? Can you share with us?

In contrast then, what are Bethesda, Baltimore Armor, Alexandria etc prioritizing in recruiting?

That you are questioning whether SYC prioritizes size tells me you haven't been to any MLS Next matches. Their 2010 group, particularly last year, was bigger than the DC United (pro team, not academy) roster. And that's not an exaggeration. The 2011 group has five kids near six feet tall at 13 years old. I guess this is just a coincidence? Because I don't see the average 13 yo population at near six feet tall. As for DC United...to be fair, most of the academies are going with the physically advanced kids because they want to compete at the highest levels. It's a short term prospect. And it's the typical trap of American soccer that has been broadly discussed here. Win trophies now. Pass on technical players who could have bright futures. In terms of other clubs you mentioned....Baltimore Armor is also huge. Alexandria is a mixed bag but does give smaller kids a chance to at least make the roster - maybe not play as much. Bethesda traditionally doesn't care about size but they have a couple coaches who are now pushing size hard - see biobanding threads on this forum.

Bethesda, Armour, Alexandria prioritize one thing. MONEY. That is it. All you have to do is look at the players on the field at DCU to get a sense of what the commonality is. It isn't rocket science.

So you have no evidence that the organizations prioritize size and speed.

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Anonymous wrote:How did using 3 big biobanded kids on every team work out for the BSC U14's and U15's this weekend?

Bethesda U14's and U15's even with their multiple biobanded big kids were totally dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up.

Boot and Chase ball has severe limitations at top levels

I'm all for bashing Bethesda's misuse of the bio-banding rule. I was hoping that they would have changed the practice this season for the 2010s. They were blatantly floiting the rule last year playing 3 fully developed 2009 players.

At the same time, let's not understate DCU's physicality by saying "DCU teams with small players playing up." Sure there are some standout smaller players they play up and play portions of the matches, but on the whole, the U15 team is big fast and physical.

I haven't seen a small U15's team anywhere in MLS Next since the puberty testosterone and growth spurts are kicking in at those ages.
That said, DCU has multiple 2011's playing U15

What does playing portions of the match mean?
Everyone plays portions of matches, no?

you sound really defensive. its a big physical fast team. It's ok.

Because you sound simple and stupid discounting their individual technical skills and creativity they use to dominate a Bethesda who on average has a bigger, older more physically aggressive team.

now you sound extremely defensive. I love the players on that team. I'm not a Bethesda parent, or fan, and DCU U15 is not small. You said, "dominated by DCU teams with small players playing up." nobody discounted anything, just calling out your implication that DCU U-15 is small players playing up.

I thought the PP was talking about the U14's as well?

Whether the kids are small or big, the reality is that if you really watch any DCU game at pretty much all ages, what you'll see is a very unsophisticated way of playing (i.e. glorified kick and run football) and very weak philosophical/tactical underpinning at the club coming from the top of the academy and the leadership overall. DCU has most of the physically developed kids in the area (for the most part) with a few late bloomers thrown in (and kids who are playing up) which allows them to physically dominate most opponents. But, what you'll see very fast is that when a team can match their physicality and speed and actually knows how to play football against them, they are VERY weak. Not in one age, but all ages. It isn't the kids, it is how they are coached and assembled.
Bethesda is just trying to keep things together to stay competitive because they have realized that the clock is ticking on their relevancy. Why they bio band so much. Its sad actually because at the end of the day the only ones that are losing are these kids because they aren't getting developed like the rest of the world develops youth football talent. They are getting used to win games and, in DCU's case, keep them credible in MLS Academy world, and in Bethesda's case, keep the dumb parents paying ridiculous money for their kid to seem "elite".

True, think DCU wiped SYC this past weekend all age groups.

No. The DCU U15s lost to SYC 1-0. The other age groups won. Think about the gravity of that in the context of the competitive landscape. Here you have a club that takes the best players from the all the local clubs and STILL can’t consistently beat them. If that isn’t an indictment on the coaching and development methodology at DCU I don’t know what is.

Only in America where the soccer dunce feel a comfortable right to speak loudly in public would someone say a U15 team lost a game 1:0 to a good opponent so it's a statement on the organization's overall individual player development methodology 🤣🤣

How soccer dumb are some of you folks?

Please tell us how that scoreboard tells the story of the individual development methodology? Be specific.

(I guess academies in South America, Africa, Europe and the rest of America never lose games at U15, or they all have bad player development?) lol

Professional academies in Europe don’t lose to local teams because they have the best players and the best coaches. If they do it is because they are playing older kids. It would be like Real Madrid losing to the town team in the 4th division. It just doesnt happen. Of course u15 teams in Europe lose games. Just not to non professional academies. And if they do it is VERY rare. DCU has the best players but loses to local teams. Draw whatever conclusion you want about that.

If you have the best kids in the area and you’re a professional academy, you can’t draw the conclusion that the kids are developing if those teams are losing to local teams. If anything they should be absolutely shredding them. Your argument works if SYC and DCU are similarly situated but the reality is they aren’t. Winning doesn’t equal development. I agree. But no professional academy wants to lose to local teams.

Said like a true USA youth soccer giant suv driving suburbia parent.

If DCU Academy cared more about winning than individual development, they wouldn't be playing little 2012's against 2011's and several of their top 2011's wouldn't be playing 2010's

In that same vein, their top 2010's wouldn't be playing 2009's if they were only focused on winning.
Every age group at DCU has multiple players training and playing up.
Obviously development is the priority over winning games against MLS Next teams.

But you short sighted medals and trophies chasing parents with kids not at MLS Club level don't and wouldn't understand.

You are so soccer ignorant and stupid, you think after DCU signs 20 U14 kids every kid after that at Bethesda, SYC, Alexandria, Achilles, Baltimore Armor and top ECNL teams are not good players and there is a massive gap in talent?
Like every academy, DCU picks kids that fit their needs and philosophy and what they think are the best future potential, not just current performance.

You that daft to think only 22 good U15's are in the DMV?

What is your personal and professional knowledge and experience of what happens at a Real Madrid level academy or PSG or Ajax or Bayern Munich?
Those teams lose to non Division 1 club academies periodically as well because no youth team has consistency in game results when development is primary focus.

You basically didn't understand the PP's point about Real Madrid vs local club. The poster said PROFESSIONAL ACADEMIES in Europe don't lose to local clubs (non professional academies). PP didn't say they don't lose to other pro academies in lower divisions. This happens all the time.

The fact of the matter is that division 3 professional clubs in a country like Spain or Germany or England have solid academies because the emphasis is again on development of pros. This is how smaller academies and clubs in Europe stay alive. There are 2. Bundesliga clubs in Germany that have stadiums that are bigger than American Football stadiums. That is the SECOND league. Of course those types clubs and even smaller clubs can field competitive youth teams in their academies regardless of being in the first league or not. So again, it is very common for a smaller pro academies to have very strong youth sides because that is how they can compete with the big boys (developing players within and not pay for them).

And YES, there is a pretty big gap in the DCU kids and the rest of the MLS Next kids in the region. Why DCU usually wipes the floor with almost all of them at the younger ages. If there isn't a gap, again, DCU is doing something VERY VERY wrong (in scouting and coaching) considering they are taking the best of the best from the region. Are there some kids that can play that aren't at DCU, of course. But end of day, DCU has most of the top players in the area under their wing. Not all, for various reasons, but most.

Playing up is just not a very convincing argument that development is the focus. So what. You are bigger and faster than everyone in your age, so you play older kids. Not a hard decision to make. Literally you need no skills or coaching experience to make that call. Bravo if DCU can do that.

People that stupid around here that they really think after DCU recruits 20 players every kid not there is trash?

Then that means the whole DCUM except for a couple have kids that are trash players and way below the levels of DCU players

Let's stop comparing Real Madrid or Barca or PSG or Arsenal academy to any American academy.
Stop being ridiculous.
Nothing from the clubs to the academy to the coaches to the coaching to the parents to the culture is the same.

No one has produced a Win/Loss record to prove Real Madrid U15's or any academy U15's in Europe is unbeaten.

btw If this was Europe, SYC would be an Academy.
Alexandria would be an Academy.

Listen folks, if DCU rejected your kid like many of us, that's no reason to go on stupid anti-DCU crusades.
If Philly Union is doing a great job of recruiting and development of individuals, how does that translate to another academy isn't?

Corvettes are slow because McLarens are faster?

The PP actually said that their are good players outside of DCU. So your first two points are just not relevant. The argument that is being made is that DCU has the majority of the good players in the area (not all) because they are taking the best kids from ALL the clubs. I don't think this is really debatable.

European academies are the models that the US is striving for so the comparison is certainly valid. But, yes, we are not close to Europe in our academy system and that is clear. DCU is a clear example of that. Philly Union is an example of how we are getting closer to Europe. Same with Red Bulls, FC Dallas and a few others.

The PP didn't offer that European pro academies are unbeaten. The poster said they do get beat. Just not by LOCAL, non professional academies. It just doesn't happen.

In Europe, SYC, Alexandria, Bethesda etc would actually NOT be academy level soccer because they don't have a professional pathway, meaning that a youth player cannot sign a professional contract at these clubs and they are all pay to play. Academy level soccer in Europe is free like MLS academies in the US. This in turn means that they would be considered local clubs and the entry level to youth football in the country. Local clubs feed the pro clubs (clubs that actually can sign players to contracts) and players work their way up that ladder because in most European countries there are 3, 4 or sometimes 5 different levels of pro soccer and different levels of pro academies.

Funny how you assume that DCU rejected a kid for anyone to say things that are critical of the program. Here is one site that ranks the MLS academies. I stumbled on this googling the academies in the MLS and how they compare to each other: https://www.ussoccercollective.com/mls/mls-academy-rankings

Of course, you can debate methodology, bias, blah blah, but end of day it is an opinion based on observation and also data. If you look at the analysis it isn't based on nothing. This site has a pretty solid grasp on the youth pool in our country. Of course it isn't perfect. No site is. But it does a better job than most. DCU is 21st out of the 26 MLS academies. DCU was one of two MLS academies (Minnesota United, the one ranked dead last in the rankings. was the other) that was still pay to play as recently as 4 years ago (2020) which was a travesty. They only changed because the MLS made them fall in line with the rest of the leagues academies.

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dc-united-announce-operational-plans-youth-academy-departing-pay-play-model

The DCU Academy doesn't even have its own fields to practice on. Let THAT sink in as you think about management's commitment to the academy and the players. Meanwhile, only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future.

https://www.philadelphiaunion.com/news/philadelphia-union-announce-groundbreaking-of-wsfs-bank-sportsplex

https://www.frontrowsoccer.com/2024/05/14/and-so-it-begins-red-bulls-start-construction-of-new-training-facility-in-morris-township-n-j/#google_vignette

No, Corvettes aren't slow because Mclarens are faster. But Corvettes are clearly not faster than Mclarens because they don't have the same quality of materials, engineering, production, technology etc. Corvettes are great cars. Mclarens are in a different category and segment of cars than Corvettes. Just like the top MLS academies are in a different category than DCU.

"only a few hours away, Philly Union and Red Bulls have made massive infrastructure investments in their academy with a vision for the future"

How does distance make sense in the area of finance and financial investment?

Are you present at owners, board and management meetings to be able to speak on the future visions of Red Bulls, Philly or DC?

Distance isn't relevant to the financial investment. Distance IS relevant to this discussion because there are legitimate alternatives to DCU that are not far from the DMV that are making investments in their academies and doing things overall FAR FAR FAR BETTER than DCU. In the competitive landscape, this is highly relevant to DCU's ability to attract and retain talent - the lifeblood of an effective academy.

No one needs to be present at board meetings etc. to understand a club that has some vision. Those two clubs have made visible and PUBLIC long term investments in their academy infrastructure. That alone shows vision considering academies are short term financial losses. What is DCU doing that can come even close?

Does Chelsea and Manchester City academies make the same investments as QPR?
Does PSG and Marseille make the same investments as Lyon?
NO.... but all listed academies produce good players.

Saying "far far better" in all caps is still your opinion

Either you don't understand how it works or you're full of crap to say Philadelphia and New York are easy options for DMV based players.
Explain exactly how its an easy option.
Don't forget to include the facts about the families and the fact Red Bulls and Union has an abundance of talent in their area to choose from.

When did your child get rejected and what was the reason given?

Bigger clubs make more investments than smaller clubs. So what. What is your point. End of day, a player would probably want to be at Chelsea or Man u over QPR. or psg over lyon. Which is exactly the point.

No one said they are "easy options". You said that. The PP said that they are part of the competitive landscape which is totally true. And for sure, I understand how movement happens (or not) within MLS academies, protected lists, training comp, etc. I'm well versed.

NY metro is just a bigger pool of kids to choose from. FACTS.

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What evidence do you have that size and speed is prioritized by these clubs?
Do you have access to the scouting and recruiting guidelines? Can you share with us?

In contrast then, what are Bethesda, Baltimore Armor, Alexandria etc prioritizing in recruiting?

That you are questioning whether SYC prioritizes size tells me you haven't been to any MLS Next matches. Their 2010 group, particularly last year, was bigger than the DC United (pro team, not academy) roster. And that's not an exaggeration. The 2011 group has five kids near six feet tall at 13 years old. I guess this is just a coincidence? Because I don't see the average 13 yo population at near six feet tall. As for DC United...to be fair, most of the academies are going with the physically advanced kids because they want to compete at the highest levels. It's a short term prospect. And it's the typical trap of American soccer that has been broadly discussed here. Win trophies now. Pass on technical players who could have bright futures. In terms of other clubs you mentioned....Baltimore Armor is also huge. Alexandria is a mixed bag but does give smaller kids a chance to at least make the roster - maybe not play as much. Bethesda traditionally doesn't care about size but they have a couple coaches who are now pushing size hard - see biobanding threads on this forum.

So you're saying all the MLS Next teams have 'huge' giants, except Bethesda?
Where can the rest of us find this height/weight data?

Bethesda, Armour, Alexandria prioritize one thing. MONEY. That is it. All you have to do is look at the players on the field at DCU to get a sense of what the commonality is. It isn't rocket science.

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What evidence do you have that size and speed is prioritized by these clubs?
Do you have access to the scouting and recruiting guidelines? Can you share with us?

In contrast then, what are Bethesda, Baltimore Armor, Alexandria etc prioritizing in recruiting?

That you are questioning whether SYC prioritizes size tells me you haven't been to any MLS Next matches. Their 2010 group, particularly last year, was bigger than the DC United (pro team, not academy) roster. And that's not an exaggeration. The 2011 group has five kids near six feet tall at 13 years old. I guess this is just a coincidence? Because I don't see the average 13 yo population at near six feet tall. As for DC United...to be fair, most of the academies are going with the physically advanced kids because they want to compete at the highest levels. It's a short term prospect. And it's the typical trap of American soccer that has been broadly discussed here. Win trophies now. Pass on technical players who could have bright futures. In terms of other clubs you mentioned....Baltimore Armor is also huge. Alexandria is a mixed bag but does give smaller kids a chance to at least make the roster - maybe not play as much. Bethesda traditionally doesn't care about size but they have a couple coaches who are now pushing size hard - see biobanding threads on this forum.

So you're saying all the MLS Next teams have 'huge' giants, except Bethesda?
Where can the rest of us find this height/weight data?

Bethesda, Armour, Alexandria prioritize one thing. MONEY. That is it. All you have to do is look at the players on the field at DCU to get a sense of what the commonality is. It isn't rocket science.

You've posted the same thing four times. Maybe get a hobby or some ritalin.