Bethesda Soccer On Way Down

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

When they were older. Not in younger ages.

[Anonymous]

And when training compensation wasn't being requested. Now that it is, kids like Cavan Sullivan are sitting in the US longer because the clubs do t trust our system, for the money it is demanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda feeling like this conversation (though quite interesting) is moving fairly off topic... I don't mean BSC bashing, but I use this thread for general BSC info.

BSCs best days are behind it. All you need to know. Find coaches that can teach your kid something over club status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

In England for 100% sure, if a Cat 1 academy like Chelsea wants an academy player from Dundalk Rovers Cat 3 club, they have to pay compensation to Dundalk.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

What can Philly do differently than DC for a 16 year old player who doesn't have a European passport?

How much leverage, say and power do parents and agents have over the clubs in negotiations?

[Anonymous]

Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

What can Philly do differently than DC for a 16 year old player who doesn't have a European passport?

How much leverage, say and power do parents and agents have over the clubs in negotiations?

Philly has stronger relationships in Europe and worldwide than DCU. It is just a much more respected program for the products they produce. Philly has made 4 times the amount of money on.acadmey players than DCU has over the last 5-6 years and there is a reason for that. At a minimum, they can offer a stronger network which in turn represents more potential exposure and opportunities. Philly has a stronger and smarter front office for negotiations and strategy around player moves. DCUs front office is literally a joke. Given all of that, who would you chose? At 16 Philly can do what it did for Cavan Sullivan. DCU could t do that because 1. They dont have the talent or the development history and 2. They don't have the relationships.

Parents have almost no leverage. They have a say but that's about it. Agents have a liittle more power because they are actually brokering the deals and the relationships. Parents should be that...parents. leave the football to people whose job it is to do football.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Go find that yourself. Trolling is bad for youm. Just fyi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Google, social media, transfermarket can help you find that info.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

What can Philly do differently than DC for a 16 year old player who doesn't have a European passport?

How much leverage, say and power do parents and agents have over the clubs in negotiations?

Philly has stronger relationships in Europe and worldwide than DCU. It is just a much more respected program for the products they produce. Philly has made 4 times the amount of money on.acadmey players than DCU has over the last 5-6 years and there is a reason for that. At a minimum, they can offer a stronger network which in turn represents more potential exposure and opportunities. Philly has a stronger and smarter front office for negotiations and strategy around player moves. DCUs front office is literally a joke. Given all of that, who would you chose? At 16 Philly can do what it did for Cavan Sullivan. DCU could t do that because 1. They dont have the talent or the development history and 2. They don't have the relationships.

Parents have almost no leverage. They have a say but that's about it. Agents have a liittle more power because they are actually brokering the deals and the relationships. Parents should be that...parents. leave the football to people whose job it is to do football.

You've said nothing that Philly can do that a connected parent can't

So the poster is right that being at BSC with the right connections is as good a route.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to make it to Europe - assuming your kid is very good - is to surround your kid by coaches who care and who have pro connections, as well as understanding the system and navigating it accordingly. Like any other business transaction you need to develop the appropriate connections for your kid to be seen by the right people. It’s not just luck. You need to do the legwork. Not being part of an mls club is a plus unless you are willing to pay the transfer from your own pocket. There are several stories of DCU kids being f** over because of this. Having an European passport definitely helps because it makes it easier for the European club.

Not being part of a mls club professional academy is a plus, except the fact that almost all American players without European passports went to Professional european clubs from MLS club academies

Now here comes someone to list the one or two outliers

MLS academies represent the only pro system in the US that the outside football world values. USL doesn't have the cache. Not yet at least. Because of that, they do gatekeep a bit. But you have to be smart about how you use them. Use them and do t let them use you. Keep your eye on the prize whatever that is. Just know that each year you stay in an MLS academy your transfer gets more expensive.

And this wasn't the case just a few years ago. MLS is greedy and wants to monopolize the player pool for profit. Problem is that they have very little experience doing this. Europe is much more experienced. MLS is learning and there are a few clubs that are doing the right things (Philly, rsl, ryrb etc). But there are lots that have no idea what they are doing
DC United is the prime example of this.

What can Philly do differently than DC for a 16 year old player who doesn't have a European passport?

How much leverage, say and power do parents and agents have over the clubs in negotiations?

For the allure of free.99, a MLS academy owns your rights. Cool if your goal is just college. If you have ambitions and a roadmap to get to Europe by 16, evaluate all options. MLS academy may still be the best option for you. Once you are in an academy, it is not a simple, I am leaving for this team if that team wants you.

If you are asking about the difference between Philly and DCU and your kid is good, you simply need to have more soccer related conversations to help guide your son.

DCU = worst academy and structure in the MLS

Philly = one of the best, if not the best.

Only two hours away.

Even that said, I would experience it for myself and make a decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Go find that yourself. Trolling is bad for youm. Just fyi.

Would an actual accurate list ruin the discussion?
Because then everyone can't pretend what they're saying is true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be nice to see a list of the 10 or 20 most recent Americans age 16 and older who transferred from here to top levels academies, clubs in Europe

See where they came from. P2P vs MLS Clubs

Go find that yourself. Trolling is bad for youm. Just fyi.

Would an actual accurate list ruin the discussion?
Because then everyone can't pretend what they're saying is true

Most non-troll people do their own research to verify what they read or hear especially on this forum. Again, all this is info is easily attained.

You don’t want to, which means you don’t care about any discussion and are just a troll looking and anything posted here will just be fuel for further trolling.