"No Labels" Party
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Anonymous
BoTh SiDeS |
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No, he isn't. We're less than 14 months away from Election Day 2024. We are now officially stuck with a choice between Trump and Biden. Yay America! |
Anonymous
Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps. |
Anonymous
+1 And you know who finally gets it? Ralph Nader. “We are stuck with Biden now,” Nader says in his cantankerous way. “In a two-party duopoly, if one should be defeated ferociously, the logic is that the other one prevails.” Former president Donald Trump is, of course, the one deserving ferocious defeat in that calculation, and for the moment Nader wants everyone to know that this has become his overriding political mission. Close friends of Nader, a group that includes committed Democrats, have noted an unmistakable shift. “Ralph is in a different place because America is in a different place,” said Mark Green, the former Democratic New York City public advocate. “This stage is stopping a life-ending comet like the one that stopped the dinosaurs. He says this is an existential fight and he is going to marshal whatever he has to stop Trump and Trumpism.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/26/ralph-nader-joe-biden-election/ |
Anonymous
| When Trump is deemed ineligible to run, who will be our next boogie man/woman/child? |
Anonymous
Trump won’t be declared ineligible, but I think that’s DeSantis’s whole reason for running this time. |
Anonymous
Took him long enough, but welcome to the party, Nader. |
Anonymous
There are no successful third parties in American history. As Richard Hofstadter wrote about the populist party, third parties are like bees, they sting and then they die. The ones that have stung championed a cause that was neglected by the two major parties. They created a movement for their cause and then one of the major parties jumped in front and captured it by turning the cause into pork and patronage. But No Labels is not a third party movement. It’s a Trump can’t get a majority so let’s help him win with a plurality movement. A legitimate third party would be going after House and Senate sears where most of the dysfunction and corruption and general cluelessness are. |
Anonymous
This, exactly. |
Anonymous
How do you think our two current parties came to be? They certainly didn't exist when the country was founded. They came to be as a result of prominent leaders in the 1800s having the courage to break away and coalesce under a new party name. Dysfunctional leadership and policy disagreements are what spurred those splits to form new parties. In our two party system, with the GOP and Dem parties having set the rules to make it very difficult for a 3rd party to ever mount a challenge to their power, the only pathway for a successful launching of a new party would be for prominent national leaders in the current parties to branch off to form a new party. Both current parties have factions within that are becoming more and more divided and that division prevents government from functioning as well as it should. The need is there. There is a precedent. The unknown is if/when prominent national politicians will find the courage to say enough is enough and commit to forming a new party. No Labels has never had a candidate. They are no threat to Biden or Trump in 2024 because we are just 14 months away from election day and they have no candidate in the race and no organized platform. Looking past 2024, we would all benefit from a push for new and better leadership in the current parties or re-alignments to form new parties. With the choice being Biden or Trump in 2024, I'm on board with once again going with the lesser of two evils candidate in Biden. He's simply too old to be trusted with 4 more years of this very demanding job but I'd much rather deal with that risk than a Trump show. Looking past 2024, we will greatly benefit by some change/shift from the status quo towards stronger and better functioning political parties. Better functioning parties lead to higher quality leaders and a more effective governing body. The party weaknesses that gave us a Trump presidency and now a choice between an 82 year old man and an unhinged 78 year old man have to be acknowledged and eliminated or else a president as bad or worse than Trump will happen again in the near future. |
Anonymous
If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like? Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport. Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden. |
Anonymous
Joe is indeed a decent man and a good leader. If he were currently in his 60s, we would have no reason to question whether or not he, as the incumbent, is a wise and safe bet to beat Trump choice for the Dem nomination. If he beats Trump next November, he will be well into his 80s when his second term commences. His age is a significant concern of voters and it's the primary factor in why his odds of be re-elected are 50/50. The age concern is supported by science and by the anecdotal experiences of most voting age people. The human body at 80 years old isn't able to keep up with the same mental and physical demands it could in it's 50s or 60s. Biden's age makes him a weak and vulnerable presidential candidate even against someone as awful as Trump who is just a few years younger. I respect and appreciate Biden and I'll vote for him over Trump any day but I'm not going to stubbornly deny the fact that he has a significant weakness as a candidate or the fact that weaknesses in our political parties led us to a point where a Trump vs Biden rematch is inevitable. |
Anonymous
This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now. The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime. |
Anonymous
Nice try. Biden is a brain dead puppet figurehead that is being controlled by unnamed unelected handlers. It used to be Klain and now who knows. His politics and policies change whoever is pulling his strings. I like no labels. Saves me and a lot of other people the trouble of having to write in a candidate. Democrats are just seriously perturbed right now knowing that Biden-Harris ticket is pretty weak against that crook Trump |
Anonymous
Just so you know, this assertion is absurd and has no basis in reality. |