"No Labels" Party

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

There are no successful third parties in American history. As Richard Hofstadter wrote about the populist party, third parties are like bees, they sting and then they die. The ones that have stung championed a cause that was neglected by the two major parties. They created a movement for their cause and then one of the major parties jumped in front and captured it by turning the cause into pork and patronage.

But No Labels is not a third party movement. It’s a Trump can’t get a majority so let’s help him win with a plurality movement. A legitimate third party would be going after House and Senate sears where most of the dysfunction and corruption and general cluelessness are.

How do you think our two current parties came to be? They certainly didn't exist when the country was founded. They came to be as a result of prominent leaders in the 1800s having the courage to break away and coalesce under a new party name. Dysfunctional leadership and policy disagreements are what spurred those splits to form new parties. In our two party system, with the GOP and Dem parties having set the rules to make it very difficult for a 3rd party to ever mount a challenge to their power, the only pathway for a successful launching of a new party would be for prominent national leaders in the current parties to branch off to form a new party. Both current parties have factions within that are becoming more and more divided and that division prevents government from functioning as well as it should. The need is there. There is a precedent. The unknown is if/when prominent national politicians will find the courage to say enough is enough and commit to forming a new party. No Labels has never had a candidate. They are no threat to Biden or Trump in 2024 because we are just 14 months away from election day and they have no candidate in the race and no organized platform. Looking past 2024, we would all benefit from a push for new and better leadership in the current parties or re-alignments to form new parties. With the choice being Biden or Trump in 2024, I'm on board with once again going with the lesser of two evils candidate in Biden. He's simply too old to be trusted with 4 more years of this very demanding job but I'd much rather deal with that risk than a Trump show. Looking past 2024, we will greatly benefit by some change/shift from the status quo towards stronger and better functioning political parties. Better functioning parties lead to higher quality leaders and a more effective governing body. The party weaknesses that gave us a Trump presidency and now a choice between an 82 year old man and an unhinged 78 year old man have to be acknowledged and eliminated or else a president as bad or worse than Trump will happen again in the near future.

Both of the current major parties were created as large coalition parties for the purpose of winning the Presidency and majorities in Congress. They were never outsider 3rd parties. They intentionally absorbed small single-issue and regional factions into their coalitions. Jefferson and Madison created the first national party in opposition to the Federalists, who were a national patronage network but never a national party. The Republican Party was born as the #2 party, picking up the remnants of the Whig party’s collapse and adding the abolitionists and free soilers.

No Labels is an election interference scheme. They have no cause and no candidates. None of the above is not a political party.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

Nice try. Biden is a brain dead puppet figurehead that is being controlled by unnamed unelected handlers. It used to be Klain and now who knows. His politics and policies change whoever is pulling his strings.

I like no labels. Saves me and a lot of other people the trouble of having to write in a candidate. Democrats are just seriously perturbed right now knowing that Biden-Harris ticket is pretty weak against that crook Trump

Biden has a speech impediment, and always has been prone to gaffes, so nothing has changed. But his mind is generally sharp and the fact is, his administration has been consequential. He has always been a traditional center-left new england liberal, and nothing in his policies has changed from that. Pro USA, Pro worker, Pro union, reducing drug prices, promoting US interests abroad etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

Sorry. Can’t tell which party you’re advocating for.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

Sorry. Can’t tell which party you’re advocating for.

If I had such a profound lack of reading comprehension, I'm not sure I'd go around broadcasting it so loudly, but you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

Sorry. Can’t tell which party you’re advocating for.

If I had such a profound lack of reading comprehension, I'm not sure I'd go around broadcasting it so loudly, but you do you.

Maybe there needs to be more that distinguishes the parties.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

Sorry. Can’t tell which party you’re advocating for.

If I had such a profound lack of reading comprehension, I'm not sure I'd go around broadcasting it so loudly, but you do you.

Maybe there needs to be more that distinguishes the parties.

One party's guy wants to hang his generals, and the other party's guy wants autoworkers to get a square deal.

If you can't distinguish between the two, well, I'm once again not sure I'd go around broadcasting my ignorance like that.

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Despite what's being posted here, the WH is definitely scarred and acknowledge how weak their position is

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/hillary-clinton-urges-joe-biden-not-to-sleep-on-third-party-spoilers

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative here- I would vote for Manchin Gabbard.

Of course you would. That is the point. They aren't "dems" but have been labeled as such.

Labeled such? He is an active party member. So much hate. A single hair out of place on anyone and you’re always at the ready with gas and a match.

Maybe you’d be happier if he changed parties?

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative here- I would vote for Manchin Gabbard.

Of course you would. That is the point. They aren't "dems" but have been labeled as such.

I think we all need to move towards a middle we can live with….

Where is the middle on abortion? I see NO GOP willing to legislate for the Roe-V Wade standard. What we see are total bans, bans at 6 weeks or 12 weeks. What happens if something happens to the fetus at 20 weeks? Just make the woman carry it to term everything else be damned?

Where is the middle on guns? I see NO GOP legislating for a middle ground. All unfetted access with NO background checks or other restrictions.

I could go on, but there is no middle we can all live with where the current GOP is concerned.

We’ve got it. You’re a single and half issue voter, who rather torch the house than work toward a compromises. You’re as bad as the party you supposedly despise.

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Anonymous wrote:Conservative here- I would vote for Manchin Gabbard.

Of course you would. That is the point. They aren't "dems" but have been labeled as such.

I think we all need to move towards a middle we can live with….

Where is the middle on abortion? I see NO GOP willing to legislate for the Roe-V Wade standard. What we see are total bans, bans at 6 weeks or 12 weeks. What happens if something happens to the fetus at 20 weeks? Just make the woman carry it to term everything else be damned?

Where is the middle on guns? I see NO GOP legislating for a middle ground. All unfetted access with NO background checks or other restrictions.

I could go on, but there is no middle we can all live with where the current GOP is concerned.

We’ve got it. You’re a single and half issue voter, who rather torch the house than work toward a compromises. You’re as bad as the party you supposedly despise.

Roe is the compromise. Bans are torching the house.

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

Sorry. Can’t tell which party you’re advocating for.

If I had such a profound lack of reading comprehension, I'm not sure I'd go around broadcasting it so loudly, but you do you.

Maybe there needs to be more that distinguishes the parties.

One party's guy wants to hang his generals, and the other party's guy wants autoworkers to get a square deal.

If you can't distinguish between the two, well, I'm once again not sure I'd go around broadcasting my ignorance like that.

The autoworkers wouldn’t be in this spot if Biden & Co. weren’t actively trying to shove electric cars down our throats

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

Sorry. Can’t tell which party you’re advocating for.

If I had such a profound lack of reading comprehension, I'm not sure I'd go around broadcasting it so loudly, but you do you.

Maybe there needs to be more that distinguishes the parties.

One party's guy wants to hang his generals, and the other party's guy wants autoworkers to get a square deal.

If you can't distinguish between the two, well, I'm once again not sure I'd go around broadcasting my ignorance like that.

The autoworkers wouldn’t be in this spot if Biden & Co. weren’t actively trying to shove electric cars down our throats

LOL, that's even better. Let's go with your framing.

One party's guy wants to hang his generals, the other party's guy wants us to maybe consider driving an electric car. Yep, the two parties are totally the same!

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Anonymous wrote:The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump. There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote: NONE OF THE ABOVE

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?

Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps.

If Obama, Bush, Gore, Clinton, and Romney were disenchanted enough with the current primary system, got together to say "enough is enough," and nominated somebody to be president, what would that person look like?

Probably somebody who governs as a moderate, right? Somebody who deeply respects the institutions of the United States, who brings dignity and empathy to the White House, and who works to build consensus rather than seeing politics as zero-sum bloodsport.

Buddy, I have some great news for you. We have that guy already. His name is Joe Biden.

This, exactly. Yes, he is old. He can't help that. But he is who the country needs right now.

The GOP needs to somehow re-from without the MAGA crazies in the meantime.

+1 The faults of the GOP are not the problem of the Democrats. We have done everything we can to try and soften the crazy but at the end of the day, the GOP has to fix itself. No one else can do that for them, and a third party made to peel off Democratic votes is just going to create additional problems. You really think we’d have had 9/11 if Nader hadn’t siphoned off so many purity votes? You think we’d be at 1.5 degrees warming already? You think we’d have been in and lost 7,054 soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan (and only God truly knows how many more to suicide)?

One party represents, in their own words, the end of democracy. One party represents a way forward. Be a grown up and vote for the way forward instead of spitting in the face of every good American in history.

Sorry. Can’t tell which party you’re advocating for.

If I had such a profound lack of reading comprehension, I'm not sure I'd go around broadcasting it so loudly, but you do you.

Maybe there needs to be more that distinguishes the parties.

One party's guy wants to hang his generals, and the other party's guy wants autoworkers to get a square deal.

If you can't distinguish between the two, well, I'm once again not sure I'd go around broadcasting my ignorance like that.

The autoworkers wouldn’t be in this spot if Biden & Co. weren’t actively trying to shove electric cars down our throats

Lol wut

Honey, you are so clearly not very bright and willing to believe whatever the right wing tells you to believe. Do you even know why they’re striking? No? You know you hate electric vehicles, full stop, and I bet you can regurgitate the talking points you’ve been fed.

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Anonymous wrote:Despite what's being posted here, the WH is definitely scarred and acknowledge how weak their position is

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/09/hillary-clinton-urges-joe-biden-not-to-sleep-on-third-party-spoilers

“Despite what’s being posted here”? Honestly, I fear for the children of tomorrow when the Republicans of today have reading comprehension like yours. Because I’m a Democrat - a real one, not a MoDeRaTe - and I’m the one who has twice posted “Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein.” You know why? Because I understand that a spoiler doesn’t need to be huge in order to destroy progress. Too many people are way too stupid and will vote for Literally Any Corpse (R). To prevent fascism, to prevent the destruction of life as we know it, to prevent wars, we can’t afford to peel off votes for what is an obvious Kanye-for-President level BS gambit from the GOP.