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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The weakest argument against the no labels party is that it is simply going to elect Biden or elect Trump.  There is so much time left and if enough support was generated now, the country could achieve what over 70% of the people really want and vote:  NONE OF THE ABOVE[/quote]

Wont' happen. A third party would need to start with grassroots for things like school boards and county commissioners and grow from there. Without billionaire funding it, it cannot happen. Why would we just want another billionaire funded party?[/quote]
Wrong. History tells us that successful 3rd parties are most commonly a product of well known politicians becoming disenchanted by the leadership and direction of their current party and choosing to re-align under a different party name. It takes politicians with big name recognition on the Federal level to make this happen. If there ever was a time for Barack Obama, George Bush, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney to step up and have the gumption to say enough is enough.... it is now. The dominoes would fall quickly and 95% of us would quickly make the shift to identify politically under a different party name but the same political beliefs and values of currents GOPers and/or Dems would carry over to the new party; basically just hitting the reset button to replace failed leadership. 3rd parties have no chance of success if trying to start from the ground up. The two current parties have done a good job of crafting rules that make it very difficult for their power to be challenged by a 3rd entity and a successful challenge to that power will never happen first on a local or state level. Until this re-alignment happens, we'll just keep voting for Bidens and Trumps. [/quote]

There are no successful third parties in American history. As Richard Hofstadter wrote about the populist party, third parties are like bees, they sting and then they die. The ones that have stung championed a cause that was neglected by the two major parties. They created a movement for their cause and then one of the major parties jumped in front and captured it by turning the cause into pork and patronage.

But No Labels is not a third party movement. It’s a Trump can’t get a majority so let’s help him win with a plurality movement. A legitimate third party would be going after House and Senate sears where most of the dysfunction and corruption and general cluelessness are. [/quote]
How do you think our two current parties came to be? They certainly didn't exist when the country was founded. They came to be as a result of prominent leaders in the 1800s having the courage to break away and coalesce under a new party name. Dysfunctional leadership and policy disagreements are what spurred those splits to form new parties. In our two party system, with the GOP and Dem parties having set the rules to make it very difficult for a 3rd party to ever mount a challenge to their power, the only pathway for a successful launching of a new party would be for prominent national leaders in the current parties to branch off to form a new party. Both current parties have factions within that are becoming more and more divided and that division prevents government from functioning as well as it should. The need is there. There is a precedent. The unknown is if/when prominent national politicians will find the courage to say enough is enough and commit to forming a new party. No Labels has never had a candidate. They are no threat to Biden or Trump in 2024 because we are just 14 months away from election day and they have no candidate in the race and no organized platform. Looking past 2024, we would all benefit from a push for new and better leadership in the current parties or re-alignments to form new parties. With the choice being Biden or Trump in 2024, I'm on board with once again going with the lesser of two evils candidate in Biden. He's simply too old to be trusted with 4 more years of this very demanding job but I'd much rather deal with that risk than a Trump show. Looking past 2024, we will greatly benefit by some change/shift from the status quo towards stronger and better functioning political parties. Better functioning parties lead to higher quality leaders and a more effective governing body. The party weaknesses that gave us a Trump presidency and now a choice between an 82 year old man and an unhinged 78 year old man have to be acknowledged and eliminated or else a president as bad or worse than Trump will happen again in the near future.[/quote]

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