TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

Looks like they didn’t need to raise that defense

Looks like they couldn't use fake new.

[Anonymous]

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The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

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The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

ur kid told me about this

[Anonymous]

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The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

Parents whose kids were interviewed for this have posted here about what went on many times.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

yes the cheating had gotten rampant

yes with submitting fake WISC scores for admission to AAP in elementary school, fake ADD diagnosis to get undeserved extra time for tests and homework in middle school, high school & college, cheating at SAT exams and bribing University Coaches/AD to gain admission as pretend athlete to top colleges/universities etc.

Yes, the cheating has gotten rampant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

yes the cheating had gotten rampant

yes with submitting fake WISC scores for admission to AAP in elementary school, fake ADD diagnosis to get undeserved extra time for tests and homework in middle school, high school & college, cheating at SAT exams and bribing University Coaches/AD to gain admission as pretend athlete to top colleges/universities etc.

Well I've even heard people gave gifts to teachers for good recommendations on the old system or don't even get me started on the prep centers selling test questions. Cheating was really out of control and they had no choice but to revise the admission process. Oddly seems like some people really miss being able to cheat so easily and keep defending the broken old system.

[Anonymous]

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The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

Parents whose kids were interviewed for this have posted here about what went on many times.

So you have anecdotal anonymous sources? lol

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

yes the cheating had gotten rampant

yes with submitting fake WISC scores for admission to AAP in elementary school, fake ADD diagnosis to get undeserved extra time for tests and homework in middle school, high school & college, cheating at SAT exams and bribing University Coaches/AD to gain admission as pretend athlete to top colleges/universities etc.

I do believe the real ruse in FCPS is how some kids get in AAP after all the gymnastics of their parents. Not really equitable at all.

[Anonymous]

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The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

How do prep courses produce prep materials for any test really - ACT, SAT LSAT. It's probably managed by people who took it before.

[Anonymous]

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The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

Parents whose kids were interviewed for this have posted here about what went on many times.

A math teacher at TJ told me that kids told her they were paid to pass on test questions to the prep business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

Parents whose kids were interviewed for this have posted here about what went on many times.

A math teacher at TJ told me that kids told her they were paid to pass on test questions to the prep business.

This happens everywhere with most test prep centers. Nothing new.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

Parents whose kids were interviewed for this have posted here about what went on many times.

A math teacher at TJ told me that kids told her they were paid to pass on test questions to the prep business.

This happens everywhere with most test prep centers. Nothing new.

But making false accusations against a whole group of Asian students is perfectly fine by saying they cheat?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

How do prep courses produce prep materials for any test really - ACT, SAT LSAT. It's probably managed by people who took it before.

The problem was they reuse many questions each year so many applicants had seen the questions at their prep center beforehand. This gave them an unfair advantage and why the county had to change the selection criteria. Now people had to sign a non-disclosure so this was in fact blatant cheating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

Parents whose kids were interviewed for this have posted here about what went on many times.

A math teacher at TJ told me that kids told her they were paid to pass on test questions to the prep business.

This happens everywhere with most test prep centers. Nothing new.

But making false accusations against a whole group of Asian students is perfectly fine by saying they cheat?

You're the only person mentioning Asians. Perpahs, you know something the rest of us don't?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test.

What is your source for this?

How do prep courses produce prep materials for any test really - ACT, SAT LSAT. It's probably managed by people who took it before.

The problem was they reuse many questions each year so many applicants had seen the questions at their prep center beforehand. This gave them an unfair advantage and why the county had to change the selection criteria. Now people had to sign a non-disclosure so this was in fact blatant cheating.

Except that didn't happen. The county did not change the selection criteria because they thought people were cheating. They did not change it because TJ teachers were complaining that the kids weren't academically strong enough. They changed it because in 2020, when the data came out, the Black enrollment was listed as "TS", meaning too few kids got in to report the results. This looked awful for FCPS, especially in light of the BLM protests. Too few black kids and too many Asian kids = bad optics. That's it. I don't at all disagree with using the geographical allocations or revamping the admissions system to reduce the impact of prep. But let's all be honest as to why FCPS changed the admissions and what their goal was.