Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

Agree.

We know the shooter was from a broken home and a troubled background.

Why can’t algorithms detect that instead of all the marketing BS pushed by TikTok and Instagram?

Because it would have missed the Columbone shooters.

That was then. Now, people have internet search histories and yes, it's definitely something you can mine. Also, there are tons of people working for the CIA/FBI/NSA who are doing this very thing for terrorist acts. Maybe some of that money should be spent on monitoring people who fill out gun applications.

[Anonymous]

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1) Deterrent. There's things called deterrents. It's a real thing. Not all crime is prevented by police officers.

2) Can man them with officers.

Deterrents and officers are both mainstay tools used to fight crime all over the country. There is nothing new about it.

Listen to yourself. Why? Why? WHY SHOULD OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH OFFICERS AND MAGNATOMETERS? Listen to yourself. Why not start with changing the culture? Guns are bad and dangerous..

"We" cannot change a culture that approximately half of us don't want to change.

We can start with ourselves. How many of us here are willing to confront the image of masculinity as power and violence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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1) Deterrent. There's things called deterrents. It's a real thing. Not all crime is prevented by police officers.

2) Can man them with officers.

Deterrents and officers are both mainstay tools used to fight crime all over the country. There is nothing new about it.

Listen to yourself. Why? Why? WHY SHOULD OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH OFFICERS AND MAGNATOMETERS? Listen to yourself. Why not start with changing the culture? Guns are bad and dangerous..

"We" cannot change a culture that approximately half of us don't want to change.

About half, the half that typically votes democrat. You can't fix the other half.

We can start with ourselves. How many of us here are willing to confront the image of masculinity as power and violence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Does your solution also include not going to church, or to a grocery store, or a movie theater, or a nightclub, or a country concert?

I'm talking about stopping school shootings. The topic of this specific thread was a school shooting.

Okay, I'll concede that. How do you suggest stopping mass shootings at churches, grocery stores, movie theaters, and country concerts? Or, do you consider such an asinine suggestion a success in your book?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

Agree.

We know the shooter was from a broken home and a troubled background.

Why can’t algorithms detect that instead of all the marketing BS pushed by TikTok and Instagram?

Because it would have missed the Columbone shooters.

That was then. Now, people have internet search histories and yes, it's definitely something you can mine. Also, there are tons of people working for the CIA/FBI/NSA who are doing this very thing for terrorist acts. Maybe some of that money should be spent on monitoring people who fill out gun applications.

Really? What, specifically, could you have mined about the Columbine shooters' backgrounds that would have prevented that massacre? You're coming up with all sorts of fantasies in order to continue to justify the existence of killing machines that will be used to murder children. That is revolting, and you owe an apology to the victims' families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Nothing is stopping us from increasing school security.

Everyone agrees on that.

Why not start there? We could start that today.

THE KILLER WAS BEING CHASED BY ARMED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND STILL MANAGED TO MURDER 20 PEOPLE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

I'm sure you realize most women work, and therefore home schooling isn't really an option for them.

Between Roe being overturned and schools becoming untenable, I'm kind of feeling like this might be the whole point. Keep em barefoot, pregnant and at home.

I’m sure you realize it’s not only mothers who can homeschool. Stop being so sexist.

Interestingly, most statistics I can find don't mention the gender of the homeschooling teacher. Can you find a link that suggests a significant percentage of dads homeschooling while moms work? I cannot.

[Anonymous]

Every thread on this is exactly the same with the exact same answers. I can’t believe op posted this as we all have cnn and this is 40 pages. You all say the exact same thing every single thread. Guess what? Nothing will change, and stop blaming the politicians. Blame America because someone had to vote them in. Vote them out in November is our only solution. Stop asking for stricter gun laws. News flash-It didn’t happen after Sandy hoook and it won’t happen now. You just repeat yourselves in every thread. Op starting a thread so she can say she got a 40 page thread started with the same BS......Stop vote it. Just vote. The politicians won’t hear you so stop wasting your breath

[Anonymous]

In every single one of these cases, somwhere someone knows these people are a danger to others. In many cases multiple someones. And often times those people tried to sound the alarm and were not taken seriously. None of these shooters were perfectly normal people who woke up one day and decided to shoot a bunch of people.

How about we start taking the warnings more seriously? Taking action? (And I am all for gun control, this is not instead of but in addition to.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can all wring our hands as much as we want. Nothing is going to change. It's just part of mainstream American male culture. We will be seeing this our whole lives, and our children will too. I have zero hope anything is going to change. Even in states with stricter gun laws, like Maryland, it is easy enough to get one if you really want to. For example, a high school student in moco had a ghost gun a few months ago that he threatened someone with - he ordered the parts off the internet. All the real power is with the NRA.

Additionally, we will have our reproductive rights curtailed slowly, no matter how much we protest. The restricting of congressional seats has made our power to control the courts very limited. All the real power is with the Republican Christian right.

Finally, health care costs will continue to rise, astronomically. We don't want to finance anything like single payer, and we allow pharmas and health insurance companies and physicians (yes, I said it! As I am one) to always make sure they get paid very high salaries (despite these fields not making nearly as much money in other western nations). All the real power is with Pharma and the AMA.

Basically feeling very hopeless and really hoping my kids get into college outside of this country.

My kid goes to school in Europe. I've told her to put down roots abroad. The idea that classrooms of children can be mowed down and more than half the country just shrugs it off as "the price of gun ownership" sends chills down my spine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Every thread on this is exactly the same with the exact same answers. I can’t believe op posted this as we all have cnn and this is 40 pages. You all say the exact same thing every single thread. Guess what? Nothing will change, and stop blaming the politicians. Blame America because someone had to vote them in. Vote them out in November is our only solution. Stop asking for stricter gun laws. News flash-It didn’t happen after Sandy hoook and it won’t happen now. You just repeat yourselves in every thread. Op starting a thread so she can say she got a 40 page thread started with the same BS......Stop vote it. Just vote. The politicians won’t hear you so stop wasting your breath

But but but GAS PRICES something something

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The next time you are at your child’s school notice how easy it is for someone to walk in the door with anything they want.
And never once have I ever seen a suggestion that we try and at least make that change.

There should be no school that has no entrance doors for visitors that open immediately into the actual school building.

All entrances should be double doored. And require being buzzed in twice. ID should be scanned at the door before being buzzed in the first time. The second time along with ID they need to show it again. At least this slows someone with bad ideas down.

Now do grocery stores. And movie theaters. And music festivals. And night clubs.

Don’t forget churches, malls, public transit, private transit (road rage incidents), etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Nothing is stopping us from increasing school security.

Everyone agrees on that.

Why not start there? We could start that today.

So the multiple police officers who exchanged gunfire with this shooter wearing body armor before he entered the building weren’t enough?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Nothing is stopping us from increasing school security.

Everyone agrees on that.

Why not start there? We could start that today.

So the multiple police officers who exchanged gunfire with this shooter wearing body armor before he entered the building weren’t enough?

and people want teachers equipped with weapons. SMDH.

[Anonymous]

So now schools - in addition to providing all mental health services, social work services, education, all three meals in some instances - are now tasked with stopping the very people trying to kill them all within the building? That's a solution?? Make them figure out a way to protect themselves from mass shooters? Is there no task we're not willing to put on the school's shoulders?