Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

[Anonymous]

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But we do have gun laws, and criminals and mentally ill people break them. Keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding, sane citizens will not fix the problem. Crack down on real criminals would be one way to get started. But instead, we're doing the complete opposite.

Good guys with guns are not stopping the bad guys with guns. The gun culture in this country is the problem and the lax regulations are a symptom. It all needs to change.

In this case, the good guys with guns killed the gunman. Why there was not one resource officer at the actual school is a whole other issue. How did he get in?

One resource officer against a mentally unstable shooter with ARs? Who do you think is going to survive that one?

Multiple law enforcement officers did everything they possibly could today and what is the death toll still up to?
“Officers and Border Patrol agents placed themselves between the shooter and the children, multiple people told The Washington Post.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/24/school-shooting-uvalde-texas-updates/

What if no one had been there? We may never be able to save all lives, but we shouldn't stop trying to save some lives.

Banning guns will save tens of thousands of lives. Not one or two.

Just like banning illegal drugs??
We’re currently up to 100,000 killings a year from illegal drug abuse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

Agree.

We know the shooter was from a broken home and a troubled background.

Why can’t algorithms detect that instead of all the marketing BS pushed by TikTok and Instagram?

AGAIN and AGAIN, there are millions of kids around the world who come from broken homes and troubled backgrounds, who are bullied and harrassed. BUT, they don't live in the US, so they don't have access to assault rifles that they can buy legally at the gun shop or at gun shows.
What good is an algorithm if Republicans aren't willing to restrict gun purchases?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

Agree.

We know the shooter was from a broken home and a troubled background.

Why can’t algorithms detect that instead of all the marketing BS pushed by TikTok and Instagram?

Because it would have missed the Columbone shooters.

[Anonymous]

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1) Deterrent. There's things called deterrents. It's a real thing. Not all crime is prevented by police officers.

2) Can man them with officers.

Deterrents and officers are both mainstay tools used to fight crime all over the country. There is nothing new about it.

Listen to yourself. Why? Why? WHY SHOULD OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH OFFICERS AND MAGNATOMETERS? Listen to yourself. Why not start with changing the culture? Guns are bad and dangerous..

Right?! Why do my kids need metal detectors and active shooter drills as the price to pay for people to be able to buy AR-15s and high capacity ammo online?! I am not okay with this. I don’t consent to this. And the shooter in this case had freaking BODY ARMOR. Why does a civilian need body armor and lots of ammo? What lawful reason is this even possible?

Also what is so special about the second amendment that people feel entitled to whatever guns they want with little effort? Every other constitutional right (privacy, first amendment, etc.) is not absolute. We put reasonable limitations on rights all the time. Guns should be no exception.

The problem is the guns, not that the schools and kids aren’t adequately prepared to be shot up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm all for stricter gun laws, but that's only part of the solution -- and frankly -- the easier part of the solution. For starters, we need to step up and clamp down on the rampant cyberbullying that takes place -- cyberbullying that causes too many kids to kill themselves or to kill innocent people. We also need to boycott Hollywood and its glorification of violence -- a glorification that enriches media (i.e. film, TV and music) executives while putting the idea into young people's minds that it's okay or cool to go on shooting rampages. Finally, we need to find ways that support and strengthen families. No, I'm not talking about "traditional family values" or anything like that. I'm talking about an environment in which young people have healthy adult parents or mentors who instill them a sense of self-worth or confidence -- a sense of purpose in life.

No it's not "easier" because people keep voting Republicans into office who won't pass common sense gun laws. These Republican members of Congress are indebted to the NRA.
And, in case it hasn't dawned on you, Republicans are also not willing to pay for mental heath care, community efforts to end cyber-bullying, or social programs to help struggling parents.

We can't do what you suggest until Republicans are voted out.

The PP's valid point is that politics alone will not solve the problem of gun violence.

Well, since "Thoughts and Prayers" haven't worked at all for the last 20 years, maybe Republicans should try to pass a bill to limit sales of assault rilfes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

1) Deterrent. There's things called deterrents. It's a real thing. Not all crime is prevented by police officers.

2) Can man them with officers.

Deterrents and officers are both mainstay tools used to fight crime all over the country. There is nothing new about it.

Listen to yourself. Why? Why? WHY SHOULD OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH OFFICERS AND MAGNATOMETERS? Listen to yourself. Why not start with changing the culture? Guns are bad and dangerous..

Right?! Why do my kids need metal detectors and active shooter drills as the price to pay for people to be able to buy AR-15s and high capacity ammo online?! I am not okay with this. I don’t consent to this. And the shooter in this case had freaking BODY ARMOR. Why does a civilian need body armor and lots of ammo? What lawful reason is this even possible?

Also what is so special about the second amendment that people feel entitled to whatever guns they want with little effort? Every other constitutional right (privacy, first amendment, etc.) is not absolute. We put reasonable limitations on rights all the time. Guns should be no exception.

The problem is the guns, not that the schools and kids aren’t adequately prepared to be shot up.

Amen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

I'm sure you realize most women work, and therefore home schooling isn't really an option for them.

Between Roe being overturned and schools becoming untenable, I'm kind of feeling like this might be the whole point. Keep em barefoot, pregnant and at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Write to her. She is the ghoul who heads NRA.


Carolyn Dodgen Meadows is an American conservative activist, currently serving as president of the National Rifle Association. She was elected the organization's president in April 2019 after then-president Oliver North was forced out of the position.
Born: 1938 (age 84 years), Cobb County, GA
Children: 3
Party: Republican Party
Education: Georgia State University

I hope she is rots in hell someday where she’ll be haunted by the screams of dying children crying out for their moms and dads. Seriously, F this lady.

[Anonymous]

We can all wring our hands as much as we want. Nothing is going to change. It's just part of mainstream American male culture. We will be seeing this our whole lives, and our children will too. I have zero hope anything is going to change. Even in states with stricter gun laws, like Maryland, it is easy enough to get one if you really want to. For example, a high school student in moco had a ghost gun a few months ago that he threatened someone with - he ordered the parts off the internet. All the real power is with the NRA.

Additionally, we will have our reproductive rights curtailed slowly, no matter how much we protest. The restricting of congressional seats has made our power to control the courts very limited. All the real power is with the Republican Christian right.

Finally, health care costs will continue to rise, astronomically. We don't want to finance anything like single payer, and we allow pharmas and health insurance companies and physicians (yes, I said it! As I am one) to always make sure they get paid very high salaries (despite these fields not making nearly as much money in other western nations). All the real power is with Pharma and the AMA.

Basically feeling very hopeless and really hoping my kids get into college outside of this country.

[Anonymous]

They need to publish photos of the classrooms with the bodies in it. Otherwise it’s just a heady debate. The visceral response of seeing what these weapons do to bodies - especially kids needs to be a part of this. Not in abstract.

[Anonymous]

I do not understand how the same party that fights to curtail abortion rights, "a right for life", is also the same party that defends the right to gun ownership with their last breath. At least the Pope is consistent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

1) Deterrent. There's things called deterrents. It's a real thing. Not all crime is prevented by police officers.

2) Can man them with officers.

Deterrents and officers are both mainstay tools used to fight crime all over the country. There is nothing new about it.

Listen to yourself. Why? Why? WHY SHOULD OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL WITH OFFICERS AND MAGNATOMETERS? Listen to yourself. Why not start with changing the culture? Guns are bad and dangerous..

"We" cannot change a culture that approximately half of us don't want to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not understand how the same party that fights to curtail abortion rights, "a right for life", is also the same party that defends the right to gun ownership with their last breath. At least the Pope is consistent.

Because it’s about control over women’s bodies, not the babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

I'm sure you realize most women work, and therefore home schooling isn't really an option for them.

Between Roe being overturned and schools becoming untenable, I'm kind of feeling like this might be the whole point. Keep em barefoot, pregnant and at home.

I’m sure you realize it’s not only mothers who can homeschool. Stop being so sexist.