I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Texas must be far bluer* than we imagined for the GOP to be cheating like this.

* https://www.newsweek.com/texas-ag-says-trump-wouldve-lost-state-if-it-hadnt-blocked-mail-ballots-applications-being-1597909

Maybe, just maybe.... the ballots were rejected for good reason.

Please, do tell! What reason?

They were likely for Democrats. Can’t have that in the People’s Republic of Texas.

The reason....

"Based on what we have heard from county election officials, the vast majority of mail-in ballot rejections were due to voters who did not provide any ID information on their carrier envelope," Sam Taylor, assistant secretary of state for communications, said in a statement.

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/16/1086908593/texas-mail-ballot-rejection-final-rates-harris-williamson-counties

So you have to put the ID information on the ballot AND on the envelope. Why? And it has to be the same identifying information you used to register to vote, perhaps decades ago. Do any of you remember whether you registered using your driver’s license number or using your social security number? I don’t. Both are fine but it has to be the one you used.
“Under Texas' new voting law, known as Senate Bill 1, voters have to provide a partial Social Security number or driver's license number on their mail ballot application — as well as on the return envelope. And the ID number they provide has to match what's on their voter registration record, which could be from decades ago.

Davis said this new requirement tripped up an unprecedented number of voters. He and his staff helped many of them fix their ballots, but some voters did not fix their ballot in time to be counted.”

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I spoke to an official in TX who said it was so confusing. You have to put one type of id in one place and another in another place. People, mostly older, didn't understand what to do. How does this make the voting process safer? It doesn't!

It’s not supposed to make voting safer. I bet it’s disproportionately Democratic voters who were unable to vote, because I would bet it’s disproportionately Democrats whose ballots were flagged while Republican ballots went unchecked.

If you're going to vote, you need to prove who you are and not just show up and impersonate people OR we can stop doing firearms background checks b/c everyone is "honest".

Pick one and stick with it.

Yup...the only case of voter fraud that have been documented have been on the right. It is almost like they are projecting their own crimes.

Republicans claim that they care about voter integrity but I’ve not heard a one of them express any kind of remorse that republican led states are pulling out of the ERIC program, nor have I read a single instance of them pushing for any kind of punishment for the Republicans identified as committing voter fraud.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple process to have fair elections:

Registration closes 90 days prior to election.
Mail in voting starts 5 weeks before election and all ballots must be lost marked 2 weeks before election to allow for validation and counting of votes.
Mail in ballots are validated for completeness and a death match run as part of validation. Incomplete absentee ballots or those postmarked after death of voter are tossed.
Election Day polling hours 6AM to 9PM.

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Election Day is a federal holiday
Voting locations are easily accessible and no more than X miles from home (i.e. MORE of them)
No unauthorized people within 500 yards of voting stations

Bingo, with suggestions from these two posters, problem is solved.

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Anonymous wrote:Simple process to have fair elections:

Registration closes 90 days prior to election.
Mail in voting starts 5 weeks before election and all ballots must be lost marked 2 weeks before election to allow for validation and counting of votes.
Mail in ballots are validated for completeness and a death match run as part of validation. Incomplete absentee ballots or those postmarked after death of voter are tossed.
Election Day polling hours 6AM to 9PM.

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Election Day is a federal holiday
Voting locations are easily accessible and no more than X miles from home (i.e. MORE of them)
No unauthorized people within 500 yards of voting stations

Add: Serious campaign finance reform, like eliminate and criminalize all dark money, PACs, et cetera. Each individual is limited to $20 per candidate per cycle, and it all goes through a central tracking system. Any and all other political spending is made illegal.

Add: Ranked Choice Voting

Add: Make Gerrymandering illegal. District boundaries must be quantified and if they are beyond a specified threshold they are invalid. https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-mathematics-behind-gerrymandering-20170404/

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This is one of the horrible things that the new voting restriction bill in Georgia made possible while the “liberal media” was complaining about not being able to give water to people in line.

Close to 100,000 Voter Registrations Were Challenged in Georgia — Almost All by Just Six Right-Wing Activists
https://www.propublica.org/article/right-wing-activists-georgia-voter-challenges?fbclid=IwAR1tGL_CJzxR_yP-0VWKDU_V7xPyJoFUK4MXqr3CzCr0FrayWBL-Xv8jHiQ_aem_Ab5DjfrKS9qhH4RK6JPid3J2AJKhQnx2RWoqRJsqHH3o43AS7OUaH_fRicYCc2soXJ8&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

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Anonymous wrote:This is one of the horrible things that the new voting restriction bill in Georgia made possible while the “liberal media” was complaining about not being able to give water to people in line.

Close to 100,000 Voter Registrations Were Challenged in Georgia — Almost All by Just Six Right-Wing Activists
https://www.propublica.org/article/right-wing-activists-georgia-voter-challenges?fbclid=IwAR1tGL_CJzxR_yP-0VWKDU_V7xPyJoFUK4MXqr3CzCr0FrayWBL-Xv8jHiQ_aem_Ab5DjfrKS9qhH4RK6JPid3J2AJKhQnx2RWoqRJsqHH3o43AS7OUaH_fRicYCc2soXJ8&mibextid=Zxz2cZ

I wonder where the OP of this thread is. I wonder if he learned anything at all from this thread.

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Oh goodie. They’re going to run out the clock again with a series of wrong maps. If Southerners can’t handle simple map making, perhaps some Federal oversight can accomplish it quicker.

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Oh goodie. They’re going to run out the clock again with a series of wrong maps. If Southerners can’t handle simple map making, perhaps some Federal oversight can accomplish it quicker.

The Supreme Court of the United States, the ultimate in federal oversight, told them to draw two majority Black districts and they still couldn’t manage to do it.

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If even the Republican politicians aren't listening to the Supreme Court (even though SCOTUS is heavily stacked in their favor and throwing case after case after case in the Republicans' favor) then why should anyone else listen to the Supreme Court?

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Oh goodie. They’re going to run out the clock again with a series of wrong maps. If Southerners can’t handle simple map making, perhaps some Federal oversight can accomplish it quicker.

The Supreme Court of the United States, the ultimate in federal oversight, told them to draw two majority Black districts and they still couldn’t manage to do it.

They can manage to do it, they just don’t want Black people to have any representation, so they’re not going to do it. This will go like the other states with maps that were ruled illegal. They make a white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, they make another white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, etc etc until, oh no, they just have to have people starting voting in one of the white supremacist maps. Shrug, right? White power preserved for another day.

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Oh goodie. They’re going to run out the clock again with a series of wrong maps. If Southerners can’t handle simple map making, perhaps some Federal oversight can accomplish it quicker.

The Supreme Court of the United States, the ultimate in federal oversight, told them to draw two majority Black districts and they still couldn’t manage to do it.

They can manage to do it, they just don’t want Black people to have any representation, so they’re not going to do it. This will go like the other states with maps that were ruled illegal. They make a white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, they make another white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, etc etc until, oh no, they just have to have people starting voting in one of the white supremacist maps. Shrug, right? White power preserved for another day.

+1 The map the state Senate passed is even worse than the first one.

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Oh goodie. They’re going to run out the clock again with a series of wrong maps. If Southerners can’t handle simple map making, perhaps some Federal oversight can accomplish it quicker.

The Supreme Court of the United States, the ultimate in federal oversight, told them to draw two majority Black districts and they still couldn’t manage to do it.

They can manage to do it, they just don’t want Black people to have any representation, so they’re not going to do it. This will go like the other states with maps that were ruled illegal. They make a white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, they make another white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, etc etc until, oh no, they just have to have people starting voting in one of the white supremacist maps. Shrug, right? White power preserved for another day.

+1 Elsewhere in Alabama…

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Oh goodie. They’re going to run out the clock again with a series of wrong maps. If Southerners can’t handle simple map making, perhaps some Federal oversight can accomplish it quicker.

The Supreme Court of the United States, the ultimate in federal oversight, told them to draw two majority Black districts and they still couldn’t manage to do it.

They can manage to do it, they just don’t want Black people to have any representation, so they’re not going to do it. This will go like the other states with maps that were ruled illegal. They make a white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, they make another white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, etc etc until, oh no, they just have to have people starting voting in one of the white supremacist maps. Shrug, right? White power preserved for another day.

+1 Elsewhere in Alabama…

We abandoned the former enslaved after the Civil War. The former slave owners and their mentality should have been dealt with instead of left to fester.

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Oh goodie. They’re going to run out the clock again with a series of wrong maps. If Southerners can’t handle simple map making, perhaps some Federal oversight can accomplish it quicker.

The Supreme Court of the United States, the ultimate in federal oversight, told them to draw two majority Black districts and they still couldn’t manage to do it.

They can manage to do it, they just don’t want Black people to have any representation, so they’re not going to do it. This will go like the other states with maps that were ruled illegal. They make a white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, they make another white supremacist version, it gets challenged, it loses, etc etc until, oh no, they just have to have people starting voting in one of the white supremacist maps. Shrug, right? White power preserved for another day.

+1 Elsewhere in Alabama…

I hope everyone reads in it’s entirety. Rather than debate what we should have done back then after the Civil War, can’t American’s rally behind Braxton and escalate? Stokes should fry. Braxton is an unsung hero risking his life to provide basic human rights for Newbern, AL.