Unpopular Opinion: Posh Southern Named are very cute

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So are the Southern protestant Mary Graces supposed to convert to Catholicism in order to be correct in this worldview, or what?

Ha ha yes! I know many nonCatholic Southerners named Mary Grace!

First it was the Reformation, then they took over the Mary + names. Damn Protestants!

I think one thing this thread has demonstrated is that outside of the South, Mary Margaret, Mary Katherine, etc., will read strongly as Catholic. Nothing wrong with that, just something to consider as you name your child, in this increasingly mobile world, if it's going to bug you to have your child frequently mistaken as Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are not from: Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, the Carolinas and Virginia south of Richmond you really don't get to have an opinion on what is a real Southern name. I mean, you can, but it'll be wrong.

Don’t forget Tennessee!

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Anonymous wrote:I stand by original statement that Texas, and especially Dallas, are not the south. Posh Texas is different from the rest of Texas, but it's still not the south. To the PP who told me to look at a map - using your rules, California is also the South.

Eh, I think this one's debatable. Like Louisiana, Texas very much has its own culture. But if you seated a Texan at a bar between someone from Mississippi and someone from Rhode Island, I'd expect them to have more in common with one of those people, and it's not the one from the ocean state.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL who is naming their daughter “Gentry”?! “Mary” is hardly a “Southern” name. And “Callaway” and “Saunders” are both last names. I didn’t realize the South had moved on from their “Hayden”, “Brayden”, “Cayden” phase. Not sure which is worse.

You are obviously not from the south. Two of my closest friends are Mary Katherine and Mary Grace. I’m Anna Elizabeth (Anna Beth). I know so many girls with Mary as part of their name.

I do as well, none of them are Southern. All are Catholic.

+100. Mary Cambpell as a double-barreled name might ring Southern (I know a lot of Southerners that try to shoehorn maiden names once connected to plantations into their daughters' names), but Mary Katherine and Mary Grace are Catholic as the day is long. And as a Catholic who grew up in Dallas and spent several hours with friends "praying the blood of the Lamb" over me so I would accept Jesus into my heart and be Saved (TM), let me tell you that Catholicism is not really associated with the South.

No one is saying Mary is not also an Irish Catholic thing (I have multiples in the family). But Mary + mom's maiden name/family name is very much a Southern thing. Hell, all the ones I know were Chi Os at Ole Miss, to further stereotype.

"You are obviously not from the south" PP (not OP) is citing "Mary Katherine" and "Mary Grace" as typically Southern names, not Mary + mom's maiden name. Those are Catholic names, not Southern. Irish Catholic communities are strongly associated with northeastern and Rust Belt areas, not the South. OP's example of Mary Campbell is more southern, as I said in the post you're replying to, but Mary Grace and Mary Katherine are not "Southern" names.

Mary Grace and Mary Katherine are not, but that PP also included an Anna + name as an example. And while Mary Katherine is certainly a Catholic name, I know a half dozen double-named women from the South for every Catholic one I know from elsewhere. In my experience, it's far more commonly done there, and I think that was her point.

All double-barreled names are not the same, which is the theme of this subthread. Mary Campbell is qualitatively different from Mary Katherine. OP holding up Mary Campbell as a Southern name was correct; PP saying Mary Katherine is Southern not so much. Anna Elizabeth reads southern; Mary Elizabeth reads Catholic. Double-barreled for the sake of double-barreled is Southern. Double-barreled Saints' names/graces, particularly with Mary as the first, is Catholic. You seem to recognize the difference in some posts but then elide it in others.

So are the Southern protestant Mary Graces supposed to convert to Catholicism in order to be correct in this worldview, or what?

My guess is PP thinks Florida is the South and doesn't actually know anyone from the South outside of Gone with the Wind.

Nope I'm an actual Catholic who grew up in the South (though not Deep South, thank g-d).

Uh huh. Alexandria?

I've already said where I'm from in the thread, which happens to be the very place OP claims to be witnessing these "very cute" names. But I'm sure you're the expert for reasons that date back to before the War of Northern Aggression.

Texas ain't the South! You are from an entirely different culture! You telling a bunch of Protestants "well where I'm from (Catholic Texas) Marys are Catholic" like no shit Sherlock.

FFS learn to read. Texas isn't Catholic, it's batshit talibangelical Protestant. Texas is the South, but not the Deep South. And Texas is what OP is talking about, explicitly.

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I’ve lived in the Midwest, west coast and now DC. When people talk about the south - or north for that matter - they’re always referring to “south of them”. So it’s comical in that it proves my theory that a bunch of east coasters think the only states considered south are south of them. Y’all need to get out more.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL who is naming their daughter “Gentry”?! “Mary” is hardly a “Southern” name. And “Callaway” and “Saunders” are both last names. I didn’t realize the South had moved on from their “Hayden”, “Brayden”, “Cayden” phase. Not sure which is worse.

You are obviously not from the south. Two of my closest friends are Mary Katherine and Mary Grace. I’m Anna Elizabeth (Anna Beth). I know so many girls with Mary as part of their name.

I do as well, none of them are Southern. All are Catholic.

+100. Mary Cambpell as a double-barreled name might ring Southern (I know a lot of Southerners that try to shoehorn maiden names once connected to plantations into their daughters' names), but Mary Katherine and Mary Grace are Catholic as the day is long. And as a Catholic who grew up in Dallas and spent several hours with friends "praying the blood of the Lamb" over me so I would accept Jesus into my heart and be Saved (TM), let me tell you that Catholicism is not really associated with the South.

No one is saying Mary is not also an Irish Catholic thing (I have multiples in the family). But Mary + mom's maiden name/family name is very much a Southern thing. Hell, all the ones I know were Chi Os at Ole Miss, to further stereotype.

"You are obviously not from the south" PP (not OP) is citing "Mary Katherine" and "Mary Grace" as typically Southern names, not Mary + mom's maiden name. Those are Catholic names, not Southern. Irish Catholic communities are strongly associated with northeastern and Rust Belt areas, not the South. OP's example of Mary Campbell is more southern, as I said in the post you're replying to, but Mary Grace and Mary Katherine are not "Southern" names.

Mary Grace and Mary Katherine are not, but that PP also included an Anna + name as an example. And while Mary Katherine is certainly a Catholic name, I know a half dozen double-named women from the South for every Catholic one I know from elsewhere. In my experience, it's far more commonly done there, and I think that was her point.

All double-barreled names are not the same, which is the theme of this subthread. Mary Campbell is qualitatively different from Mary Katherine. OP holding up Mary Campbell as a Southern name was correct; PP saying Mary Katherine is Southern not so much. Anna Elizabeth reads southern; Mary Elizabeth reads Catholic. Double-barreled for the sake of double-barreled is Southern. Double-barreled Saints' names/graces, particularly with Mary as the first, is Catholic. You seem to recognize the difference in some posts but then elide it in others.

So are the Southern protestant Mary Graces supposed to convert to Catholicism in order to be correct in this worldview, or what?

This final comment is as Southern as ordering “hot tea” or reaching for the hot sauce - the steel behind the magnolia.

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Can somebody name an actual southern woman named Mary? A real person.

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Anonymous wrote:I stand by original statement that Texas, and especially Dallas, are not the south. Posh Texas is different from the rest of Texas, but it's still not the south. To the PP who told me to look at a map - using your rules, California is also the South.

Eh, I think this one's debatable. Like Louisiana, Texas very much has its own culture. But if you seated a Texan at a bar between someone from Mississippi and someone from Rhode Island, I'd expect them to have more in common with one of those people, and it's not the one from the ocean state.

You sound really stupid. You realize that Texas is a state of 29 million, 55% of whom are ethnic minorities and 15% of whom are foreign born, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Can somebody name an actual southern woman named Mary? A real person.

Well, data-wise, Alabama and Mississippi were the only two states where Mary was in the top 10 for baby names in 2019...so there's that...

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Anonymous wrote:LOL who is naming their daughter “Gentry”?! “Mary” is hardly a “Southern” name. And “Callaway” and “Saunders” are both last names. I didn’t realize the South had moved on from their “Hayden”, “Brayden”, “Cayden” phase. Not sure which is worse.

You are obviously not from the south. Two of my closest friends are Mary Katherine and Mary Grace. I’m Anna Elizabeth (Anna Beth). I know so many girls with Mary as part of their name.

I do as well, none of them are Southern. All are Catholic.

+100. Mary Cambpell as a double-barreled name might ring Southern (I know a lot of Southerners that try to shoehorn maiden names once connected to plantations into their daughters' names), but Mary Katherine and Mary Grace are Catholic as the day is long. And as a Catholic who grew up in Dallas and spent several hours with friends "praying the blood of the Lamb" over me so I would accept Jesus into my heart and be Saved (TM), let me tell you that Catholicism is not really associated with the South.

No one is saying Mary is not also an Irish Catholic thing (I have multiples in the family). But Mary + mom's maiden name/family name is very much a Southern thing. Hell, all the ones I know were Chi Os at Ole Miss, to further stereotype.

"You are obviously not from the south" PP (not OP) is citing "Mary Katherine" and "Mary Grace" as typically Southern names, not Mary + mom's maiden name. Those are Catholic names, not Southern. Irish Catholic communities are strongly associated with northeastern and Rust Belt areas, not the South. OP's example of Mary Campbell is more southern, as I said in the post you're replying to, but Mary Grace and Mary Katherine are not "Southern" names.

Mary Grace and Mary Katherine are not, but that PP also included an Anna + name as an example. And while Mary Katherine is certainly a Catholic name, I know a half dozen double-named women from the South for every Catholic one I know from elsewhere. In my experience, it's far more commonly done there, and I think that was her point.

All double-barreled names are not the same, which is the theme of this subthread. Mary Campbell is qualitatively different from Mary Katherine. OP holding up Mary Campbell as a Southern name was correct; PP saying Mary Katherine is Southern not so much. Anna Elizabeth reads southern; Mary Elizabeth reads Catholic. Double-barreled for the sake of double-barreled is Southern. Double-barreled Saints' names/graces, particularly with Mary as the first, is Catholic. You seem to recognize the difference in some posts but then elide it in others.

So are the Southern protestant Mary Graces supposed to convert to Catholicism in order to be correct in this worldview, or what?

My guess is PP thinks Florida is the South and doesn't actually know anyone from the South outside of Gone with the Wind.

Nope I'm an actual Catholic who grew up in the South (though not Deep South, thank g-d).

Uh huh. Alexandria?

I've already said where I'm from in the thread, which happens to be the very place OP claims to be witnessing these "very cute" names. But I'm sure you're the expert for reasons that date back to before the War of Northern Aggression.

Texas ain't the South! You are from an entirely different culture! You telling a bunch of Protestants "well where I'm from (Catholic Texas) Marys are Catholic" like no shit Sherlock.

FFS learn to read. Texas isn't Catholic, it's batshit talibangelical Protestant. Texas is the South, but not the Deep South. And Texas is what OP is talking about, explicitly.

actually, no, texas is one of 34 states where catholic is the largest christian denomination

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The Mary names were historically Catholic because they didn’t have a choice. My SIL was told by her priest in the 1980s that he wouldn’t baptize her daughter, Laura, because it wasn’t a saint’s name.

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Anonymous wrote:The Mary names were historically Catholic because they didn’t have a choice. My SIL was told by her priest in the 1980s that he wouldn’t baptize her daughter, Laura, because it wasn’t a saint’s name.

There are many, many other saints besides Mary. Most Catholic families had many daughters--obviously some of them weren't named Mary.

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Anonymous wrote:Can somebody name an actual southern woman named Mary? A real person.

Mary Louise Parker was born in South Carolina.

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Anonymous wrote:Can somebody name an actual southern woman named Mary? A real person.

Not famous people and I won’t give last names b/c don’t have permission, but here are two of many from my world. Both were Presbyterians.

Mary Virginia - a woman who mentored me as well as my husband when we were in our twenties and thirties. I won’t say in what capacity she mentored us as that might give her identity away (although she is only well known in a very narrow area).

Mary Grace - a rugby playing student at Agnes Scott College, a surprising hotbed of Southern lesbians. This was quite a few years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:The Mary names were historically Catholic because they didn’t have a choice. My SIL was told by her priest in the 1980s that he wouldn’t baptize her daughter, Laura, because it wasn’t a saint’s name.

There are many, many other saints besides Mary. Most Catholic families had many daughters--obviously some of them weren't named Mary.

No kidding. My point is that the saint thing limited the universe of choices.