Teachers union says schools "must" be fully reopened in the fall

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Anonymous wrote:Her continued insistence on 3ft is worrying. Where does she think all the extra staff will come from to make smaller class sizes? Or the space, in a city? This just compounds the harms to the minority kids who are concentrated in districts still even listening to teachers unions.

No. We are IPL with 3 feet distance. Our kinder rooms have 24 students.
The 3 feet does not matter. It just makes the classroom look like old school rows.

Classrooms can open at full capacity with 3 feet of distance.

Actually, they cannot, particularly in crowded MS and HS in DC. My kids high school principal has already started saying if cohosting and 3 feet rules are still in place high schoolers (who haven't had a SINGLE DAY of in person learning this school year) won't be able to come back full time.

As for Weingarten: All that's changed is the framing, but read the details (3 feet spacing, new HVAC, hire new teachers for smaller class sizes, etc). She's still moving the goalposts and could care less about getting kids back in classrooms. She's lying. This is all PR. Because early polling for midterm elections is showing that school reopenings are a HUGE issue in many parts of the country where union pressure on inept officials (like Bowser) have kept schools closed.

This! The union's latest scam is saying we want to reopen too! (We just demand all these unreasonable terms and conditions which actually preclude reopening). The difference is that many of us parents want schools to reopen NOW and with NO additional terms and conditions and in fact with terms and conditions removed (3 ft distancing, cohort rules, DC ADA regs, and CARES ACT), the way much of the rest of the nation and world have.

Screw Randi Weingarten - she's just trying to get more jobs and benefits for teachers, which is standing in the way of kids returning to school.

“Lead advocate for professional group advocates for better working conditions for Said group”

more like “professional grifter takes advantage of global crisis to get more power.” Children are not bargaining chips in the negotiations for “better working conditions.”

This attempt to shame teachers is noted and not working anymore on us. Many of us know that we’ve worked hard all year and served children so the continued attempts to say we don’t care about kids because we also would like to hang on to some self respect are in one ear and out the other. Good thing you’ve got your friends on this site tho

Did you realize that this comment was not about you?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.

Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.

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I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.

Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.

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I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.

I don't think anyone said anything about blaming teachers.

But the issue here is working moms and some odd culture of martyrdom, whereby you can't suggest that school closures hurt women's employment to them.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.

Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.

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I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.

But you are reverting or resorting to an either/or and just participating in that culture here. You aren't allowing for any nuance.

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funny how when a teachers union says kids belong in school, it feels like it must be a sneaky trick to make sure kids can't go to school

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Anonymous wrote:funny how when a teachers union says kids belong in school, it feels like it must be a sneaky trick to make sure kids can't go to school

It's kind of hard to take them at face value after this year.

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Anonymous wrote:She should call for an end to the virtual option
The virtual option will potentially mess things up, and other countries are not doing it.

I think the virtual option is fine as a stand alone and it works well for some kids. What is the problem with offering it as a separate program in a large school district?

Agreed. I just do not understand those who are adamant that all virtual learning must cease even for those who want it. It doesn't make sense. If done well and on its own (i.e. a separate virtual school), it is not disruptive to kids who are in person. But individual schools should get out of the business of having virtual learning as a routine option for everyone. There might be special circumstances when it could be useful at individual schools, such as a some really bad and prolonged weather event or if a student would like a specialized course that a school could not offer.

Read this article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/09/us/covid-school-reopening-virtual-learning.html?referringSource=articleShare

There’s a reason school is compulsory. Kids of all backgrounds need to be in school during the day, not act as breadwinners for their families while trying to complete online coursework at night instead of sleeping.

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Anonymous wrote:funny how when a teachers union says kids belong in school, it feels like it must be a sneaky trick to make sure kids can't go to school

It's kind of hard to take them at face value after this year.

Apparently prolonged isolation just now became bad for kids. Ditto the detrimental impact of prolonged online learning and the impact of closures on working mothers. Those things didn't matter before, but now are fodder for getting what the union wants. It's the same thing as arguing "my poor black and brown students are terrified of being in school because COVID has ravaged their communities" when they wanted school buildings shuttered. Next year it's going to be, "we need to be paid much more because it is heartbreaking seeing the loss of learning suffered by the most at risk students because of prolonged DL. We need millions to get them back on track."

With that said, funding to allow smaller class sizes would be great.

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Anonymous wrote:funny how when a teachers union says kids belong in school, it feels like it must be a sneaky trick to make sure kids can't go to school

It's kind of hard to take them at face value after this year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.

Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.

+1

I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.

Both of your sisters don’t have husbands/fathers for their kids? They are both widows?

Seriously maybe ownership of childcare belongs w both parents not a teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.

Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.

+1

I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.

Both of your sisters don’t have husbands/fathers for their kids? They are both widows?

Seriously maybe ownership of childcare belongs w both parents not a teacher

Oh. HUZZBINS is back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.

Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.

+1

I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.

Both of your sisters don’t have husbands/fathers for their kids? They are both widows?

Seriously maybe ownership of childcare belongs w both parents not a teacher

God you’re vile and bitter. And apparently clueless about single parent households (a quarter of household with kids), or the existence of absent parents, or or or.....

Seriously, we get that your husband doesn’t help at home so you come and harass people on DCUM. Get a divorce and some therapy.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.[/quote]


Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?[/quote]

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.[/quote]

+1

I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.[/quote]

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.[/quote]

Both of your sisters don’t have husbands/fathers for their kids? They are both widows?

Seriously maybe ownership of childcare belongs w both parents not a teacher [/quote]

God you’re vile and bitter. And apparently clueless about single parent households (a quarter of household with kids), or the existence of absent parents, or or or.....

Seriously, we get that your husband doesn’t help at home so you come and harass people on DCUM. Get a divorce and some therapy.[/quote]

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Yeah my husband does his share - which means half of raising his children, cleaning his home and feeding his family.

I’m goofing off in DCUM because he does bedtime w the kids.

If your husband m, baby daddy doesn’t do their share in a pandemic then complain about that. Don’t complain about the teachers.

Two of the moms in my dc’s class are single moms by choice. Never once have they complained about the teachers, etc. I can’t believe how they do it. One has two kids to boot.

So no I don’t have any grace for women who want to beat up on other women and when their partners could be doing anything

You don’t like how they do something just deal w it. Stop controlling everything or let the standard go

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wish this working mothers point had been made a wee bit earlier by her but better late than never.[/quote]


Right like before shuttered schools forced 1 million plus women out of the workforce and damaged their earning prospects for some for the rest of their lives. But yeah. Way to go I guess?[/quote]

Does anyone else have mother friends who seemed enraged that anyone pointed this out? Like it was this weird issue in my peer circle that if you were a mother you had to just suck it up and not say anything about your earnings prospects being altered for your lifetime.[/quote]

+1

I had to leave a group of friends over it. For some reason, I was not allowed to acknowledge this as reality. Both of my sisters lost their jobs because their kids were home and they couldn't afford childcare.[/quote]

And you blame teachers? This is the culture we have created and supported in the US. Until Covid happened no one cared how little we value working moms.[/quote]

Both of your sisters don’t have husbands/fathers for their kids? They are both widows?

Seriously maybe ownership of childcare belongs w both parents not a teacher [/quote]

God you’re vile and bitter. And apparently clueless about single parent households (a quarter of household with kids), or the existence of absent parents, or or or.....

Seriously, we get that your husband doesn’t help at home so you come and harass people on DCUM. Get a divorce and some therapy.[/quote][/quote]

You are funny. I say women should expect the men in their life to do their part and you think my husband does nothing.

He does more than me if I’m honest.