out of control teens steal car and kill ANOTHER person

[Anonymous]

Also, car theft and carjacking are in themselves horrible crime--add in inexperienced driving and speeding, and you are a big loser who should be sent away and rehabbed for a long, long time.

[Anonymous]

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That’s what’s insane. At no point is there any self accountability for these actions. It’s always “the system did this!” and because of hyper wokeness anyone who says otherwise will lose their job or be shamed on social media. So there really is no recourse. It’s just a super liberal city council that will continue to pass soft on crime laws that allow crime with impunity and then a bunch of poor people or gentrifiers getting shot and life just goes on apparently. Don’t even think about actually policing anymore. That’s racist.

Please describe what you mean by "actually policing."

I doubt you were arguing in good faith, and are merely looking for an opportunity to post a woke hot take or a snarky comment meant to dunk on my interpretation of what community policing should mean, and anything I say will be met with an instant knee jerk rebuttal about how stop and frisk and broken windows policing was racist and all that, but here goes:

Police should not feel or be handicapped in their ability to stop violent crime. They should wear body cameras and if they break the law be arrested. We should get rid of qualified immunity. However, the tough on crime policing of the 90s worked. Many people were incarcerated and many lives were shattered because of that rise in arrests, but crime was measurably lowered. We have now hit the era that since there is a disproportionate rate of arrest and incarceration by a certain group of people, even if those arrests and convictions are justified, because of the disproportionate arrest statistics being so outsized, rather than actually trying to stymy the crime commiters actions (no matter what group they belong to) the latest movement is to provide “restorative justice” for violent crime, to lower sentences which incentives crime. That’s not racist that’s a fact.

The "tough on crime" policing worked, if the goal was to incarcerate people, break up families, destabilize society, and enrich the for-profit prison industry. If you think that statement is "snarky" or "woke", I don't know what to say.

You might try reading "Locking Up Our Own," by James Forman.

You might try reading the most recent Atlantic article that showed tough on crime policing worked.

I guess there is a study for everything though. And now because we’re see sawing to the other side of criminal prosecution, where is hugs and restorative justice and no one will go to jail or face accountability for violent crime, I guess we get to find out in another 10 years how that affected crime when another study comes out. And if dc goes back to being a crime ridden cesspool like the Barry years well I guess the woke folks will have been right all along. I’m pretty sure though, based on the increase in teen violence and car jackings that they’re wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

That’s what’s insane. At no point is there any self accountability for these actions. It’s always “the system did this!” and because of hyper wokeness anyone who says otherwise will lose their job or be shamed on social media. So there really is no recourse. It’s just a super liberal city council that will continue to pass soft on crime laws that allow crime with impunity and then a bunch of poor people or gentrifiers getting shot and life just goes on apparently. Don’t even think about actually policing anymore. That’s racist.

Please describe what you mean by "actually policing."

I doubt you were arguing in good faith, and are merely looking for an opportunity to post a woke hot take or a snarky comment meant to dunk on my interpretation of what community policing should mean, and anything I say will be met with an instant knee jerk rebuttal about how stop and frisk and broken windows policing was racist and all that, but here goes:

Police should not feel or be handicapped in their ability to stop violent crime. They should wear body cameras and if they break the law be arrested. We should get rid of qualified immunity. However, the tough on crime policing of the 90s worked. Many people were incarcerated and many lives were shattered because of that rise in arrests, but crime was measurably lowered. We have now hit the era that since there is a disproportionate rate of arrest and incarceration by a certain group of people, even if those arrests and convictions are justified, because of the disproportionate arrest statistics being so outsized, rather than actually trying to stymy the crime commiters actions (no matter what group they belong to) the latest movement is to provide “restorative justice” for violent crime, to lower sentences which incentives crime. That’s not racist that’s a fact.

The "tough on crime" policing worked, if the goal was to incarcerate people, break up families, destabilize society, and enrich the for-profit prison industry. If you think that statement is "snarky" or "woke", I don't know what to say.

You might try reading "Locking Up Our Own," by James Forman.

You might try reading the most recent Atlantic article that showed tough on crime policing worked.

I guess there is a study for everything though. And now because we’re see sawing to the other side of criminal prosecution, where is hugs and restorative justice and no one will go to jail or face accountability for violent crime, I guess we get to find out in another 10 years how that affected crime when another study comes out. And if dc goes back to being a crime ridden cesspool like the Barry years well I guess the woke folks will have been right all along. I’m pretty sure though, based on the increase in teen violence and car jackings that they’re wrong.

If all we do is hug people instead, then you're right.

Have you talked to / read from any of the experts on alternatives to policing? Or are you just going to operate at the limit of your imagination and assume that's enough.

And if you want to talk about what really works, maybe we can try wholesale extermination. A final solution, if you will. But that's on you.

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You might try reading the most recent Atlantic article that showed tough on crime policing worked.

I guess there is a study for everything though. And now because we’re see sawing to the other side of criminal prosecution, where is hugs and restorative justice and no one will go to jail or face accountability for violent crime, I guess we get to find out in another 10 years how that affected crime when another study comes out. And if dc goes back to being a crime ridden cesspool like the Barry years well I guess the woke folks will have been right all along. I’m pretty sure though, based on the increase in teen violence and car jackings that they’re wrong.

This one?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/03/is-americas-great-crime-decline-over/618381/

Where the guy says:

"In my book I argued that the drop in violence had all these benefits, but it was unsustainable. And it was unsustainable because we were reliant on a model of responding to violence and urban inequality through brute force and punishment and dependence on prisons and the police to respond to every challenge that arises when poverty is concentrated.

As long as that model is still in place, you can produce lower levels of violence. But you will also produce staggering levels of harm. That harm became very visible in the last five years and, in particular, after [the killing of] George Floyd."

If you think that's an endorsement of the 1980s "tough-on-crime" policing, I don't know what to say.

[Anonymous]

It's obvious that parents need help with their parenting. We can't rely on schools to fill in the gap, especially during the pandemic. Neighbors and elders and extended family need to step up. Unfortunately, there is a pervasive attitude not to get involved, which only leaves the problem of juvenile criminality to fester. I'm not sure that having well-intentioned white people here is going to help. This really has to be done neighborhood by neighborhood, and the city needs to step up and help citizens who want to help.

[Anonymous]

The kids need to learn respect....

Respect for elders, respect for police, respect for others in general.
This begins at home.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, this problem is intractable. The only difference is now there will be less policing to contain it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The kids need to learn respect....

Respect for elders, respect for police, respect for others in general.
This begins at home.

ANd.. when that doesnt' happen? We can't make everyone suffer in a crime wave...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The kids need to learn respect....

Respect for elders, respect for police, respect for others in general.
This begins at home.

ANd.. when that doesnt' happen? We can't make everyone suffer in a crime wave...

We used to do it in the schools and churches; and principals, teachers, coaches, and ministers led the way. Now it seems that in many places, there's less of that strong kind of leadership. Instead, kids are getting a mega dose of false values from entertainers and the idea from politicians that they don't deserve consequences for criminal behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The kids need to learn respect....

Respect for elders, respect for police, respect for others in general.
This begins at home.

ANd.. when that doesnt' happen? We can't make everyone suffer in a crime wave...

We used to do it in the schools and churches; and principals, teachers, coaches, and ministers led the way. Now it seems that in many places, there's less of that strong kind of leadership. Instead, kids are getting a mega dose of false values from entertainers and the idea from politicians that they don't deserve consequences for criminal behavior.

It’s values. Don’t expect politicians to instill these. Politicians are a reflection of a society’s culture, very very rarely do they change it. Values begin in the home. Your summary is good though. The problem is that anytime you bring up the issue of values, you are immediately shrieked at by the left, called names, mocked, and shut down.

[Anonymous]

Yes, there was a complete dearth of values discussion in public schools (I've taught in DCPS). I was pre-SEL, so maybe that has brought in a component? Be assured that if not, zero values talk is happening in school. No sane teacher would touch it on their own without a ten foot pole for protection from blowback... So if it's not happening at home...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's obvious that parents need help with their parenting. We can't rely on schools to fill in the gap, especially during the pandemic. Neighbors and elders and extended family need to step up. Unfortunately, there is a pervasive attitude not to get involved, which only leaves the problem of juvenile criminality to fester. I'm not sure that having well-intentioned white people here is going to help. This really has to be done neighborhood by neighborhood, and the city needs to step up and help citizens who want to help.

You assume they have (two) parents that are alive and functioning. And “elders”? Is this some sort of ancient church-based society? Or, if you meant grandparents, they’re likely dead or laying in an alley hoped up on opium. The city will not step up. The city can’t even administer itself much less solve this complex issue. Criminals have been emboldened and until an opposing force scares them into thinking twice, these incidents will escalate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's obvious that parents need help with their parenting. We can't rely on schools to fill in the gap, especially during the pandemic. Neighbors and elders and extended family need to step up. Unfortunately, there is a pervasive attitude not to get involved, which only leaves the problem of juvenile criminality to fester. I'm not sure that having well-intentioned white people here is going to help. This really has to be done neighborhood by neighborhood, and the city needs to step up and help citizens who want to help.

You assume they have (two) parents that are alive and functioning. And “elders”? Is this some sort of ancient church-based society? Or, if you meant grandparents, they’re likely dead or laying in an alley hoped up on opium. The city will not step up. The city can’t even administer itself much less solve this complex issue. Criminals have been emboldened and until an opposing force scares them into thinking twice, these incidents will escalate.

Why are you assuming that their grandparents are dead. When I grew up in Anacostia it was the Grandmas that rules the neighborhood. The biggest threat you could be told by anyone, including a police officer, was that you would be taken your grandma. I think that the PP is making lots of woke assumptions about raising kids in black neighborhoods. But I am not sure why they think that all of the grandparents are dead.

[Anonymous]

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You assume they have (two) parents that are alive and functioning. And “elders”? Is this some sort of ancient church-based society? Or, if you meant grandparents, they’re likely dead or laying in an alley hoped up on opium. The city will not step up. The city can’t even administer itself much less solve this complex issue. Criminals have been emboldened and until an opposing force scares them into thinking twice, these incidents will escalate.

...opium?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's obvious that parents need help with their parenting. We can't rely on schools to fill in the gap, especially during the pandemic. Neighbors and elders and extended family need to step up. Unfortunately, there is a pervasive attitude not to get involved, which only leaves the problem of juvenile criminality to fester. I'm not sure that having well-intentioned white people here is going to help. This really has to be done neighborhood by neighborhood, and the city needs to step up and help citizens who want to help.

You assume they have (two) parents that are alive and functioning. And “elders”? Is this some sort of ancient church-based society? Or, if you meant grandparents, they’re likely dead or laying in an alley hoped up on opium. The city will not step up. The city can’t even administer itself much less solve this complex issue. Criminals have been emboldened and until an opposing force scares them into thinking twice, these incidents will escalate.

Why are you assuming that their grandparents are dead. When I grew up in Anacostia it was the Grandmas that rules the neighborhood. The biggest threat you could be told by anyone, including a police officer, was that you would be taken your grandma. I think that the PP is making lots of woke assumptions about raising kids in black neighborhoods. But I am not sure why they think that all of the grandparents are dead.

Yeah, sorry, that's... not my experience. In many cases, grandparents are the ones raising their grandchildren!