New Jay Matthew's op ed on TJ

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Anonymous wrote:Have at it...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-school-admissions-debate/2021/03/26/e730baf6-8c30-11eb-a730-1b4ed9656258_story.html

Jackson said I am overlooking the fact that the portion of admitted students who are designated gifted will be less. That percentage “will decrease from the 90 percent who are in current classes under the merit-test admissions process to an estimated 60 percent under the new ‘holistic’ plan,” he said, “and it will racially discriminate against Asian Americans because school officials feel that they are overrepresented.”

He (similar to many others) doesn't even address this issue. It's like, oh they will be fine in other programs....

It was really weird Jay Mathews did not address the discrimination against Asian Americans in his very long column.

Maybe because there isn’t any when it comes to TJ admissions?

Seriously. How can a school with 73% Asian-American students be discriminating against them?

73% of any one group of people being admitted to a public school is not fair. This does need to be addressed. However, excluding that community from future admissions in that school using some non-transparent methods is not fair either. After all, they also pay the same taxes that everyone else does..

Then look at the demographics for Langley High.

Langley's admission rules are simple... Live within the school's boundary. TJ's rules are different. Are you new to this area?

Then please tell your kids to work harder, TJ will be a school for them. It is a school for advanced kids and races should NOT be a factor here. You belong to where you should belong.

This argument might hold weight if test prep centers and associated cheating scandals didn’t exist. Since they do, it sounds fairly ridiculous,

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Anonymous wrote:Have at it...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-school-admissions-debate/2021/03/26/e730baf6-8c30-11eb-a730-1b4ed9656258_story.html

Jackson said I am overlooking the fact that the portion of admitted students who are designated gifted will be less. That percentage “will decrease from the 90 percent who are in current classes under the merit-test admissions process to an estimated 60 percent under the new ‘holistic’ plan,” he said, “and it will racially discriminate against Asian Americans because school officials feel that they are overrepresented.”

He (similar to many others) doesn't even address this issue. It's like, oh they will be fine in other programs....

It was really weird Jay Mathews did not address the discrimination against Asian Americans in his very long column.

Maybe because there isn’t any when it comes to TJ admissions?

Seriously. How can a school with 73% Asian-American students be discriminating against them?

73% of any one group of people being admitted to a public school is not fair. This does need to be addressed. However, excluding that community from future admissions in that school using some non-transparent methods is not fair either. After all, they also pay the same taxes that everyone else does..

Then look at the demographics for Langley High.

Langley's admission rules are simple... Live within the school's boundary. TJ's rules are different. Are you new to this area?

Then please tell your kids to work harder, TJ will be a school for them. It is a school for advanced kids and races should NOT be a factor here. You belong to where you should belong.

This argument might hold weight if test prep centers and associated cheating scandals didn’t exist. Since they do, it sounds fairly ridiculous,

+1

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is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

Yes, let's let the court decide.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious as to whether the change in the TJ admissions policy is incentivizing families who aspired for their kids to attend TJ to relocate to areas that have sent few kids to TJ or instead just to buy in some of the higher performing pyramids like Langley, McLean, Oakton, and Chantilly. Clearly TJ as it previously operated will no longer exist. The only question is whether the next version will be nearly as much of a draw for top-achieving kids.

If it does, then that proves there is no discrimination based on race.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ should be closed and let the money be spent on improving lower income schools.

The result of this will be well-off parents sending their kids to private schools, and further harming the public school system.

(ps: this is why conservatives are attacking TJ, and also why the Koch network of billionaires is funding the lawsuits against TJ. They don't care about our kids. Their goal is personal enrichment.)

I don’t get it...do you want well-off parents to stay? Then provide rigor. FCPS no longer does, except TJ.

You also seem to want us to pay for it. Then provide meritocracy. And provide extra help for the kids who struggle also, but not at the expense of those who do well.

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Anonymous wrote:TJ should be closed and let the money be spent on improving lower income schools.

The result of this will be well-off parents sending their kids to private schools, and further harming the public school system.

(ps: this is why conservatives are attacking TJ, and also why the Koch network of billionaires is funding the lawsuits against TJ. They don't care about our kids. Their goal is personal enrichment.)

I don’t get it...do you want well-off parents to stay? Then provide rigor. FCPS no longer does, except TJ.

You also seem to want us to pay for it. Then provide meritocracy. And provide extra help for the kids who struggle also, but not at the expense of those who do well.

Do you navel-gazers really believe TJ is the only school in FCPS that "provides rigor"? What a clown show you all are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

If it is truly based on “experience”, shouldn’t the higher points be given to Asian kids whose parents came to the US recently, have to work hard to provide for the family and who don’t speak English at home? Why would a child whose parents and grandparents were born in the US, spoke perfect English, didn’t have to apply for a US visa, green card, employment authorization, etc. be given any “experience” points?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

If it is truly based on “experience”, shouldn’t the higher points be given to Asian kids whose parents came to the US recently, have to work hard to provide for the family and who don’t speak English at home? Why would a child whose parents and grandparents were born in the US, spoke perfect English, didn’t have to apply for a US visa, green card, employment authorization, etc. be given any “experience” points?

Sounds like they should get some experience points. But I believe experience factors are specifically designed to avoid those kids if they are Asian.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

If it is truly based on “experience”, shouldn’t the higher points be given to Asian kids whose parents came to the US recently, have to work hard to provide for the family and who don’t speak English at home? Why would a child whose parents and grandparents were born in the US, spoke perfect English, didn’t have to apply for a US visa, green card, employment authorization, etc. be given any “experience” points?

Experience factors aren’t based on race at all. ELL students do get experience factor points, so if the student in your scenario is an ELL student, they would benefit. Currently, Asian students with low SES or who are ELL are being left out. The new admissions process would help them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ should be closed and let the money be spent on improving lower income schools.

The result of this will be well-off parents sending their kids to private schools, and further harming the public school system.

(ps: this is why conservatives are attacking TJ, and also why the Koch network of billionaires is funding the lawsuits against TJ. They don't care about our kids. Their goal is personal enrichment.)

I don’t get it...do you want well-off parents to stay? Then provide rigor. FCPS no longer does, except TJ.

You also seem to want us to pay for it. Then provide meritocracy. And provide extra help for the kids who struggle also, but not at the expense of those who do well.

Do you navel-gazers really believe TJ is the only school in FCPS that "provides rigor"? What a clown show you all are.

+1

That was my reaction too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

If it is truly based on “experience”, shouldn’t the higher points be given to Asian kids whose parents came to the US recently, have to work hard to provide for the family and who don’t speak English at home? Why would a child whose parents and grandparents were born in the US, spoke perfect English, didn’t have to apply for a US visa, green card, employment authorization, etc. be given any “experience” points?

Experience factors aren’t based on race at all. ELL students do get experience factor points, so if the student in your scenario is an ELL student, they would benefit. Currently, Asian students with low SES or who are ELL are being left out. The new admissions process would help them.

My child is a TJ student, and all of the Asian TJ parents I’ve ever met spoke with an accent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

If it is truly based on “experience”, shouldn’t the higher points be given to Asian kids whose parents came to the US recently, have to work hard to provide for the family and who don’t speak English at home? Why would a child whose parents and grandparents were born in the US, spoke perfect English, didn’t have to apply for a US visa, green card, employment authorization, etc. be given any “experience” points?

Well said!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

If it is truly based on “experience”, shouldn’t the higher points be given to Asian kids whose parents came to the US recently, have to work hard to provide for the family and who don’t speak English at home? Why would a child whose parents and grandparents were born in the US, spoke perfect English, didn’t have to apply for a US visa, green card, employment authorization, etc. be given any “experience” points?

Experience factors aren’t based on race at all. ELL students do get experience factor points, so if the student in your scenario is an ELL student, they would benefit. Currently, Asian students with low SES or who are ELL are being left out. The new admissions process would help them.

My child is a TJ student, and all of the Asian TJ parents I’ve ever met spoke with an accent.

Okay, and? My parents were immigrants and I was never in ESL. Just because somebody’s parents speak with an accent doesn’t mean the child is an English language learner.

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Okay, and? My parents were immigrants and I was never in ESL. Just because somebody’s parents speak with an accent doesn’t mean the child is an English language learner.

It is likely that they are not speaking English at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

is desegregation a bad thing now?

The previous admissions criteria were race neutral.

the outcome wasn't. Most segregation post 60s is race neutral on it's face- that's how it's allowed to persist for as long as it does

The outcome was race neutral. You just don't like the outcome.

DP. And the new standard is race neutral and now you don't like the potential outcome. Oh well.

Let's let the court decide if its race neutral. "Experience factors" are not race neutral.

If it is truly based on “experience”, shouldn’t the higher points be given to Asian kids whose parents came to the US recently, have to work hard to provide for the family and who don’t speak English at home? Why would a child whose parents and grandparents were born in the US, spoke perfect English, didn’t have to apply for a US visa, green card, employment authorization, etc. be given any “experience” points?

Experience factors aren’t based on race at all. ELL students do get experience factor points, so if the student in your scenario is an ELL student, they would benefit. Currently, Asian students with low SES or who are ELL are being left out. The new admissions process would help them.

My child is a TJ student, and all of the Asian TJ parents I’ve ever met spoke with an accent.

Okay, and? My parents were immigrants and I was never in ESL. Just because somebody’s parents speak with an accent doesn’t mean the child is an English language learner.

We are immigrants, and our kids were never in ESL. However, we always speak our native language at home, so it was more difficult for our kids to learn and master English. We had no support system here (no extended family, no connections, no financial help from anyone) and not even green cards (have to renew US visas and driver’s licenses every year). Had no idea why AAP is so important until both kids were in the pool based on the test results and got rejected. So I think that our kids and others like them deserve the experience points much more than a child from a family who has lived in the US for centuries and has plenty of local relatives and friends for support.