Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)

[Anonymous]

Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

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Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how so man UVA partisans seem to portray Michigan as some huge party school. It is a large school to be sure, but has the resources to support its students. It’s also one of the more intellectually stimulating environments in the entire country. Certainly on par or better overall than UVA in almost every imaginable way.

Both UVA and Michigan are party schools. That's the nature of being large public universities. As for intellectually stimulating environments, anyone that thinks a school known for Southern frat culture is more intellectually stimulating than a school that excels in every academic discipline across the board...

No. it is only for those that want it to be - mainly the Greeks which are off campus on Rugby Road. If you gave the grades and stats to get in, most likely you aren't going to be drinking or partying hard. My DS didn't. It's the Greeks and some male athletes that do it.

35-40% of UVA student population is in Greek life, which is a massive population for such a large school. For comparison, Michigan is 17% and UCLA is 13%.

UVA is rather well known as a party school for wealthy Southern and NYC metro students. And just because smart schools attend there doesn't make it a non-party school, its less-rigorous undergraduate curriculum makes it a easier to become a party school. And it certainly has a less rigorous curriculum than say, Hopkins.

[Anonymous]

^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

[Anonymous]

Stay in state,

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

More.. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Capital One are top 10 hiring companies from UMich (for all levels - BS, MS and PhD). Looks like they also hire a lot of interns. UVA's page lists Capital One and Microsoft as top hiring companies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

More.. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Capital One are top 10 hiring companies from UMich (for all levels - BS, MS and PhD). Looks like they also hire a lot of interns. UVA's page lists Capital One and Microsoft as top hiring companies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be a waste of money for vanity’s sake to choose Michigan.

I agree, for vanity’s sake. But for a superior engineering education, that’s another story.

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

More.. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Capital One are top 10 hiring companies from UMich (for all levels - BS, MS and PhD). Looks like they also hire a lot of interns. UVA's page lists Capital One and Microsoft as top hiring companies.

So they look relatively close for offers, but is there a significant percentage at either school that doesn't get offers (or internships)?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How can it be any superior if both uva and u of Michigan make roughly equal amount of salary?

Where did you see that they make equal salaries in engineering?

NP. Here are links to Salary info. (2019 data) from UMich and UVA. UM lists salary info. by specialization. UVA is a picklist where you have to repeat the process for the specialty of your choice.

UM - http://career.engin.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2020/04/annualreport1819.pdf
UVA - https://career.virginia.edu/UniversityofVirginia-Class-2019

For the 3 areas that OP is interested in - Aerospace, Mech and CS (The CS program in the Engr. department; The LSA/A&S version has lower stats).

UM (Median/Avg.)
Aerospace - $74,500/$76,348
Mechanical - $74,000/$75,720
CS - $101,000/$99,248

UVA:
Aerospace - $66,893/$61,732
Mechanical - $74,500/$74,114
CS - $99,000/$92,698

While not exactly equal, UM is not substantially higher (except for Aerospace). Assess for yourself if the salary differential with Michigan is worth it relative to the additional cost of attendance.

More.. Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Apple and Capital One are top 10 hiring companies from UMich (for all levels - BS, MS and PhD). Looks like they also hire a lot of interns. UVA's page lists Capital One and Microsoft as top hiring companies.

So they look relatively close for offers, but is there a significant percentage at either school that doesn't get offers (or internships)?

I believe they are quite similar in terms of outcomes with Michigan being a bit superior.. Check out the links I'd posted.

Michigan is a superior Engineering school on several measures. All of the programs are top 10 at the undergrad and grad level (or close), higher ranking from several sources - not just US News, better earnings outcomes, probably higher recruitment from west coast companies (don't have those stats for UVA), larger endowment that allows for more undergrad research, larger alumni network, etc.

Question for OP - is all that worth the extra $30K/year? Some would say yes. A lot of TJ kids say no every year and pick UVA or Purdue or maybe even VT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.

This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Ask your kids to help you with the math. This is more their turf.

35% of all undergraduates = X% of 3rd & 4th year students

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^Also, its 35-40% despite Freshman not being allowed to rush until second semester, so really its about 40-46%. That's not including those that only join Greek Life in sophomore year, [b]so at upper levels its 50%+ and not being in Greek Life means you are likely the odd one out.
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This is less pronounced in engineering though.

Utterly and totally false. my DC just graduated. Figure is 35% not 50% it what figure the person who didn’t get in wants to claim. They probably went to Wash & Lee where 86 percent participate. google it. You can go all four years as my DC did, have a great group of friends, get into a great grad school and never o ce set foot in a Greek house since they are off campus on Rugby Road.

Boy, now the UVA bashers just out-right lie and hope no one notices or Googles.