Is Arab American POC? Does it help for admissions?

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Anonymous wrote:Technically speaking, Arab is a linguistic grouping, which is why it's such a diverse group. There are black Arabs and white Arabs, Christians and Muslims, etc. So it's not the most useful designation in the context of American racial policies.

The designation has linguistic, ethnic, cultural, historical, etc. meanings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Technically speaking, Arab is a linguistic grouping, which is why it's such a diverse group. There are black Arabs and white Arabs, Christians and Muslims, etc. So it's not the most useful designation in the context of American racial policies.

Yeah but doesn’t matter if someone can wring and essay or hook out if it.

[Anonymous]

There's a big push to add MENA designation to the census. My guess is that it will succeed eventually. Whether it helps on college admissions, I don't know. Fwiw I work on issues related to the Middle East and most of my younger colleagues who are of Arab/Iranian descent consider themselves to be POC.

[Anonymous]

To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

You’d be surprised. Kids want to get into college. Being AA helps a lot with that especially around here. There are four 4.0, 1600 kids. Three are white. One identifies as white and looks white but has some black ancestry and puts black on the paper. Guess who gets in? Not making any moral judgement, it’s just the game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

You’d be surprised. Kids want to get into college. Being AA helps a lot with that especially around here. There are four 4.0, 1600 kids. Three are white. One identifies as white and looks white but has some black ancestry and puts black on the paper. Guess who gets in? Not making any moral judgement, it’s just the game.

You only think that because you don’t know any half-black kids who desperately want to be white. Unfortunately I do. They are not going to accept an AA designation mentally and socially just for college.

[Anonymous]

Race for many Arab Americans is white. Also I am not even sure that Arab Americans are underrepresented at US colleges...indeed, I don't think so in my experience. You could probably turn it into a hook with a great essay, of course. Also, in terms of discrimination, undoubtedly, many Arab Americans and Asian American students have probably experienced plenty (including during college admissions for Asian Americans!).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

You’d be surprised. Kids want to get into college. Being AA helps a lot with that especially around here. There are four 4.0, 1600 kids. Three are white. One identifies as white and looks white but has some black ancestry and puts black on the paper. Guess who gets in? Not making any moral judgement, it’s just the game.

You only think that because you don’t know any half-black kids who desperately want to be white. Unfortunately I do. They are not going to accept an AA designation mentally and socially just for college.

Well I know white kids who've identified as native american and hispanic to get in. The designation is just for the application. The college doesn't care what you do or like like once you're on campus. So i'm sure that half black kids have used their AA ancestry for their advantage, as they should.

Interesting that you think a half black kid would be traumatized over checking the AA box on an app.

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Anonymous wrote:I was very surprised that a Sudanese student was marked white. I’m about 70% African Ancestry and pretty good at recognizing part Black facial features and hair texture. I’m not sure if the identification was intentional or accidental.

Who marked this student as white?

Unclear. Families are supposed to pick. If they do not, the registrar can pick.

False. Schools are not allowed to do that.

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The fact that a parent would not know this is astounding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

You’d be surprised. Kids want to get into college. Being AA helps a lot with that especially around here. There are four 4.0, 1600 kids. Three are white. One identifies as white and looks white but has some black ancestry and puts black on the paper. Guess who gets in? Not making any moral judgement, it’s just the game.

You only think that because you don’t know any half-black kids who desperately want to be white. Unfortunately I do. They are not going to accept an AA designation mentally and socially just for college.

Well I know white kids who've identified as native american and hispanic to get in. The designation is just for the application. The college doesn't care what you do or like like once you're on campus. So i'm sure that half black kids have used their AA ancestry for their advantage, as they should.

Interesting that you think a half black kid would be traumatized over checking the AA box on an app.

You can get thrown out of the college for lying on an application, including this. Don't do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Technically speaking, Arab is a linguistic grouping, which is why it's such a diverse group. There are black Arabs and white Arabs, Christians and Muslims, etc. So it's not the most useful designation in the context of American racial policies.

Yeah but doesn’t matter if someone can wring and essay or hook out if it.

Yeah, you can’t “wring” a hook, and your essay has nothing to do with a hook.

You act like the adcoms just fell off the turnip truck. They’ve seen every trick, every angle. BS doesn’t work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To what extent will a university verify the race of an applicant? Where do they draw the line? If you are 50% white and you identify as being white, can you select AA?

Some one who has one white parent and one black parent but identifies as white is unlikely to identify as AA for the purposes of applying to college. The mental gymnastic that person went through for 17 years...

You’d be surprised. Kids want to get into college. Being AA helps a lot with that especially around here. There are four 4.0, 1600 kids. Three are white. One identifies as white and looks white but has some black ancestry and puts black on the paper. Guess who gets in? Not making any moral judgement, it’s just the game.

You only think that because you don’t know any half-black kids who desperately want to be white. Unfortunately I do. They are not going to accept an AA designation mentally and socially just for college.

Well I know white kids who've identified as native american and hispanic to get in. The designation is just for the application. The college doesn't care what you do or like like once you're on campus. So i'm sure that half black kids have used their AA ancestry for their advantage, as they should.

Interesting that you think a half black kid would be traumatized over checking the AA box on an app.

Not half-black kids in general, but the half-black ones who claim they are white.

We have them in my family sadly. after a bad divorce and some health setbacks my relative left her kids with her former MIL for three years. All four kids identify as white, have no black friends, don’t want her to come to school or post photos of them on social media. They are early to late teens now. Being “white” is a huge investment for them. They are not going to risk that by checking a box on a college application.

[Anonymous]

We'll see what happens when they are ready to apply to college. The benefits of checking a URM box are huge for admission.

And colleges don't chase down admitted to students to confirm racial background. They don't really care as long as they can report that they have a certain percentage of different demographics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We'll see what happens when they are ready to apply to college. The benefits of checking a URM box are huge for admission.

And colleges don't chase down admitted to students to confirm racial background. They don't really care as long as they can report that they have a certain percentage of different demographics.

What you just typed is incorrect. Adcoms do care, and they have ways of knowing and experience. Guidance counselors communicate also. I am not saying no one ever successfully cheats, but it is somewhere between uncommon and extremely rare.

Also, the admitted kids eventually get to the campus and meet people you know. Like the admissions officers that admitted them. They’ll bounce a kid caught lying about this in a heartbeat.