Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?

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Anonymous wrote:Because the complaints among the Asian American parents are first world problems. When half the kids in your district aren’t fed, aren’t meeting grade level standards, and are adversely impacted by covid, poverty, and unemployment, it’s hard to care about who gets into magnet programs.

What are you rambling about? Asians can be low income. The county is doing a huge amount with food assistance as are many private organizations and individual schools. These issues were also pre-covid and funny thing, people like you didn't care or did MCPS.

Actually, MCPS has focused significantly on these issues before covid. And while there are some low-income Asians, no, it’s only a tiny percentage, compared with the more than half the county’s African American and Hispanic students who are low-income.

I'm not a fan of hand-waving away the low-income Asian-Americans in Montgomery County. There are lots of Asian-Americans in Montgomery County who aren't affluent Chinese-Americans in Potomac or affluent Indian-Americans in Clarksburg.

Not the PP, but it is exactly those groups (affluent Chinese-Americans in Potomac and Indian-Americans in Clarksburg) that are filing lawsuits and claiming systemic discrimination based on race. That's why we're talking about them. A poor or working class Asian American in Silver Spring or Wheaton is actually going to benefit from a magnet admissions policy that puts some weight on geographic diversity.

Very few white/asian kids in Silver Spring and Wheaton get in regardless of income. We don't have the same opportunities.

You think white kids need MORE opportunities? How out of touch are you?

Yes, many of our smart kids aren't getting any extra enrichment. It has nothing to do with race and kids testing well but they only take 1-2 kids in each elementary school who are white downcountry. Same for the lottery magnet programs but then its only 2-3 kids. We got zero enrichment despite higher scores than many describe on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the complaints among the Asian American parents are first world problems. When half the kids in your district aren’t fed, aren’t meeting grade level standards, and are adversely impacted by covid, poverty, and unemployment, it’s hard to care about who gets into magnet programs.

What are you rambling about? Asians can be low income. The county is doing a huge amount with food assistance as are many private organizations and individual schools. These issues were also pre-covid and funny thing, people like you didn't care or did MCPS.

Actually, MCPS has focused significantly on these issues before covid. And while there are some low-income Asians, no, it’s only a tiny percentage, compared with the more than half the county’s African American and Hispanic students who are low-income.

I'm not a fan of hand-waving away the low-income Asian-Americans in Montgomery County. There are lots of Asian-Americans in Montgomery County who aren't affluent Chinese-Americans in Potomac or affluent Indian-Americans in Clarksburg.

Not the PP, but it is exactly those groups (affluent Chinese-Americans in Potomac and Indian-Americans in Clarksburg) that are filing lawsuits and claiming systemic discrimination based on race. That's why we're talking about them. A poor or working class Asian American in Silver Spring or Wheaton is actually going to benefit from a magnet admissions policy that puts some weight on geographic diversity.

Very few white/asian kids in Silver Spring and Wheaton get in regardless of income. We don't have the same opportunities.

You think white kids need MORE opportunities? How out of touch are you?

Yes, many of our smart kids aren't getting any extra enrichment. It has nothing to do with race and kids testing well but they only take 1-2 kids in each elementary school who are white downcountry. Same for the lottery magnet programs but then its only 2-3 kids. We got zero enrichment despite higher scores than many describe on here.

I heard at schools like Cold Spring pre-COVID there was a daily bus to Dr. Li's after school enrichment because it was so common every single day. Not everyone can afford to buy their way into a magnet.

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I heard at schools like Cold Spring pre-COVID there was a daily bus to Dr. Li's after school enrichment because it was so common every single day. Not everyone can afford to buy their way into a magnet.

I'm a white parent in Silver Spring, and I think this line of "attack" is profoundly dumb and borderline racist. There may have been a bus to Dr. Li from Cold Spring or there may not have been, but I don't see how that's any different from the bus that picked up at my child's school to the horseback riding place, or the van that loaded up to soccer.

Different parents have different priorities.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.

If kids are turning on other kids, then you need to look at what those kids are hearing at home.

Just based on DCUM alone, there is overwhelming racism, bias, stereotyping, and xenophobia against Asians that goes completely unchecked and is supported by the woke crowd.

So yes, the kids of these DCUM parents are definitely hearing and learning how to cherry pick racism and justify it.

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I heard at schools like Cold Spring pre-COVID there was a daily bus to Dr. Li's after school enrichment because it was so common every single day. Not everyone can afford to buy their way into a magnet.

I'm a white parent in Silver Spring, and I think this line of "attack" is profoundly dumb and borderline racist. There may have been a bus to Dr. Li from Cold Spring or there may not have been, but I don't see how that's any different from the bus that picked up at my child's school to the horseback riding place, or the van that loaded up to soccer.

Different parents have different priorities.

I am a non-white parent in Rockville and your analogies are flawed. Horseback riding or soccer are not magnet options in MCP. Dr.Li's outfit specifically preps a certain subset of children for entrance exams to magnet programs that, supposedly, should be equally accessible to everyone in public school. Borderline racist or not, this it the reality and it's not just about 'priorities. Low-income kids in this county don't get to go to the 'horseback riding places'.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the complaints among the Asian American parents are first world problems. When half the kids in your district aren’t fed, aren’t meeting grade level standards, and are adversely impacted by covid, poverty, and unemployment, it’s hard to care about who gets into magnet programs.

What are you rambling about? Asians can be low income. The county is doing a huge amount with food assistance as are many private organizations and individual schools. These issues were also pre-covid and funny thing, people like you didn't care or did MCPS.

Actually, MCPS has focused significantly on these issues before covid. And while there are some low-income Asians, no, it’s only a tiny percentage, compared with the more than half the county’s African American and Hispanic students who are low-income.

I'm not a fan of hand-waving away the low-income Asian-Americans in Montgomery County. There are lots of Asian-Americans in Montgomery County who aren't affluent Chinese-Americans in Potomac or affluent Indian-Americans in Clarksburg.

Not the PP, but it is exactly those groups (affluent Chinese-Americans in Potomac and Indian-Americans in Clarksburg) that are filing lawsuits and claiming systemic discrimination based on race. That's why we're talking about them. A poor or working class Asian American in Silver Spring or Wheaton is actually going to benefit from a magnet admissions policy that puts some weight on geographic diversity.

Very few white/asian kids in Silver Spring and Wheaton get in regardless of income. We don't have the same opportunities.

You think white kids need MORE opportunities? How out of touch are you?

Yes, many of our smart kids aren't getting any extra enrichment. It has nothing to do with race and kids testing well but they only take 1-2 kids in each elementary school who are white downcountry. Same for the lottery magnet programs but then its only 2-3 kids. We got zero enrichment despite higher scores than many describe on here.

I heard at schools like Cold Spring pre-COVID there was a daily bus to Dr. Li's after school enrichment because it was so common every single day. Not everyone can afford to buy their way into a magnet.

most of those kids don't get into the magnet. it's part of general enrichment for those families. many don't speak english and can't teach their kids like white parents do. it levels the playing field. in new york even the poor immigrant parents pay for this enrichment. it's not that expensive. it's about priorities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.

If kids are turning on other kids, then you need to look at what those kids are hearing at home.

Just based on DCUM alone, there is overwhelming racism, bias, stereotyping, and xenophobia against Asians that goes completely unchecked and is supported by the woke crowd.

So yes, the kids of these DCUM parents are definitely hearing and learning how to cherry pick racism and justify it.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I heard at schools like Cold Spring pre-COVID there was a daily bus to Dr. Li's after school enrichment because it was so common every single day. Not everyone can afford to buy their way into a magnet.

I'm a white parent in Silver Spring, and I think this line of "attack" is profoundly dumb and borderline racist. There may have been a bus to Dr. Li from Cold Spring or there may not have been, but I don't see how that's any different from the bus that picked up at my child's school to the horseback riding place, or the van that loaded up to soccer.

Different parents have different priorities.

I am a non-white parent in Rockville and your analogies are flawed. Horseback riding or soccer are not magnet options in MCP. Dr.Li's outfit specifically preps a certain subset of children for entrance exams to magnet programs that, supposedly, should be equally accessible to everyone in public school. Borderline racist or not, this it the reality and it's not just about 'priorities. Low-income kids in this county don't get to go to the 'horseback riding places'.

the fact that these programs exist does not hurt you or me. if you cared enough, you would pay for your child to go to them. a huge percentage of the students who go to these programs in other places are poor! if you don't make it a priority to send your child don't come on here and bash the parents who do. i don't send my child but i don't complain when my child does not get in either and blame it on people who do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you are spending millions on an Antiracist or Antiracism audit you need to recognize that there are all kinds of racism, discrimination and bias. One bias that I think is completely inaccurate is that Asians are all rich and prep their way into magnets. MCPS has perpetuated that stereotype.

Half a million, but go ahead...

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The way to get ahead in America today is just be poor and URM. Society now hands you everything on a plate if you are in these categories? Undeserving magnet admissions for average or below average intellect? Check. 400 SAT point bonus and preference at ivies? Check. Subsidized loans? Check. Preference in recruiting at most companies? Check. Now they’re talking about canceling student loan debt. Do URMs even have to try anymore?

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Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.

This is because the Central American immigrants that come here are from the lowest socioeconomic classes of their countries. Many of these folks don’t even read or write Spanish! The Asian immigrants here usually come from more educated backgrounds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.

It might be accurate that Spanish speaking kids stay in ESOL longer than kids of Asian descent. But PP's assertion that this is due to a failure to value education or to "assimilate with English" is racist and flawed.

Because of geography and the economics of trans-continental immigration, Asian immigrant children are likely to have been well-educated back home, and to have some English language exposure before arrival. That's a HUGE structural advantage over Central American kids who may have little formal education and zero English language exposure.

Basically, PP is taking one true thing (Asian immigrants spend less time in ESOL than Hispanic immigrants) and turning into a story about innate intelligence/desire to learn rather than focusing on the real issue, which is the massive differences between these immigrant groups.

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Spanish is a lot closer to English than any Asian dialect. Not only are some of the words pretty similar, but the sentence structure is also very similar between Spanish and English.

Asian languages are very different than English - both in phonetics (pronounciation) and sentence structure.

An English speaker would find learning Spanish a heck of a lot easier than learning any Asian language, and the reverse is also true.

I make no assertions about any group's intelligence. But, some of the parents of these Asian immigrant children are not highly educated. I will say, though, that more than likey, Asian immigrant children probably had some schooling in their home country. There are some kids who come from Latin American countries who did not get much education in their home countries, that is true. But I don't know what the percentages are in MCPS of such students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The way to get ahead in America today is just be poor and URM. Society now hands you everything on a plate if you are in these categories? Undeserving magnet admissions for average or below average intellect? Check. 400 SAT point bonus and preference at ivies? Check. Subsidized loans? Check. Preference in recruiting at most companies? Check. Now they’re talking about canceling student loan debt. Do URMs even have to try anymore?

Don't forget promotions! The private company where I work is engaged in a massive (and obvious) effort to promote "POC", especially women POC. Unintended consequence: because others know d*mn well that it is woke AA, we naturally doubt that these folks were the best qualified.

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Anonymous wrote:Asian kids are discriminated against because they care about school and grades. I see it all of the time. It is sickening.

Define Asian.