Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.

It might be accurate that Spanish speaking kids stay in ESOL longer than kids of Asian descent. But PP's assertion that this is due to a failure to value education or to "assimilate with English" is racist and flawed.

Because of geography and the economics of trans-continental immigration, Asian immigrant children are likely to have been well-educated back home, and to have some English language exposure before arrival. That's a HUGE structural advantage over Central American kids who may have little formal education and zero English language exposure.

Basically, PP is taking one true thing (Asian immigrants spend less time in ESOL than Hispanic immigrants) and turning into a story about innate intelligence/desire to learn rather than focusing on the real issue, which is the massive differences between these immigrant groups.

NP..
Spanish is a lot closer to English than any Asian dialect. Not only are some of the words pretty similar, but the sentence structure is also very similar between Spanish and English.

Asian languages are very different than English - both in phonetics (pronounciation) and sentence structure.

An English speaker would find learning Spanish a heck of a lot easier than learning any Asian language, and the reverse is also true.

I make no assertions about any group's intelligence. But, some of the parents of these Asian immigrant children are not highly educated. I will say, though, that more than likey, Asian immigrant children probably had some schooling in their home country. There are some kids who come from Latin American countries who did not get much education in their home countries, that is true. But I don't know what the percentages are in MCPS of such students.

Here we have an Asian parent admitting that perhaps socioeconomic class does have something to do with something... While she keeps insisting her kids are just naturally superior because her culture is better .

Lady, "Asian" isn't a culture

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian kids are discriminated against because they care about school and grades. I see it all of the time. It is sickening.

Define Asian.

DP.. people whose ancestry come from the continent of Asia. ? Was this a serious question?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.

If kids are turning on other kids, then you need to look at what those kids are hearing at home.

Just based on DCUM alone, there is overwhelming racism, bias, stereotyping, and xenophobia against Asians that goes completely unchecked and is supported by the woke crowd.

So yes, the kids of these DCUM parents are definitely hearing and learning how to cherry pick racism and justify it.

+1 million to this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.

It might be accurate that Spanish speaking kids stay in ESOL longer than kids of Asian descent. But PP's assertion that this is due to a failure to value education or to "assimilate with English" is racist and flawed.

Because of geography and the economics of trans-continental immigration, Asian immigrant children are likely to have been well-educated back home, and to have some English language exposure before arrival. That's a HUGE structural advantage over Central American kids who may have little formal education and zero English language exposure.

Basically, PP is taking one true thing (Asian immigrants spend less time in ESOL than Hispanic immigrants) and turning into a story about innate intelligence/desire to learn rather than focusing on the real issue, which is the massive differences between these immigrant groups.

NP..
Spanish is a lot closer to English than any Asian dialect. Not only are some of the words pretty similar, but the sentence structure is also very similar between Spanish and English.

Asian languages are very different than English - both in phonetics (pronounciation) and sentence structure.

An English speaker would find learning Spanish a heck of a lot easier than learning any Asian language, and the reverse is also true.

I make no assertions about any group's intelligence. But, some of the parents of these Asian immigrant children are not highly educated. I will say, though, that more than likey, Asian immigrant children probably had some schooling in their home country. There are some kids who come from Latin American countries who did not get much education in their home countries, that is true. But I don't know what the percentages are in MCPS of such students.

Here we have an Asian parent admitting that perhaps socioeconomic class does have something to do with something... While she keeps insisting her kids are just naturally superior because her culture is better .

Lady, "Asian" isn't a culture

I have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. My kids are American. English is their only language. Well, my HSer knows some Spanish now, and my MSer knows some French.

And there is such a thing as "Asian" culture, or European culture. We've had this discussion before on this forum.

Are you a white person trying to tell Asian people that there is no such thing as "Asian" culture? Most Asians I know (and I know plenty) agree that there is such a thing as "Asian" culture, just as there is such a thing as "Latin" culture.

[Anonymous]

Regular reminder that the Harvard Asian-American discrimination lawsuit was funded by Republican billionaires and hanlded by a Heritage Foundation attorney.

Republicans want to use Asians as a tool to harm universities (because weakening universities helps them politically - scientists restrict the amount of money their oil and gas billionaires can steal from us while destroying the planet.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The way to get ahead in America today is just be poor and URM. Society now hands you everything on a plate if you are in these categories? Undeserving magnet admissions for average or below average intellect? Check. 400 SAT point bonus and preference at ivies? Check. Subsidized loans? Check. Preference in recruiting at most companies? Check. Now they’re talking about canceling student loan debt. Do URMs even have to try anymore?

Wow, you clearly have no idea what life is like for someone who is poor and URM. No idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.

This is because the Central American immigrants that come here are from the lowest socioeconomic classes of their countries. Many of these folks don’t even read or write Spanish! The Asian immigrants here usually come from more educated backgrounds.

Because Asians aren’t allowed to immigrate to this country unless they are educated! They can’t just walk across a border.

They are penalized for having some education while they are not allowed to immigrate if they don’t.

Dam*ed if they do, dam*ed if they don’t.

[Anonymous]

What I meant is, there isn't *one* Asian culture. I don't think it's logical lump Indian, Persian, Chinese, Japanese, Russian and Laotian cultures together. Europe has the EU and lot less georgrapby.

People who making sweeping generalizations about 'Asian culture' tend to have agendas. Either they're pushing the supremacy of one of those countries in a way some might find... colonialist, or they're Americans making generalizations about their nouveau riche Chinese-American neighbors who don't want to seem racist by saying 'Chinese.'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.

This is because the Central American immigrants that come here are from the lowest socioeconomic classes of their countries. Many of these folks don’t even read or write Spanish! The Asian immigrants here usually come from more educated backgrounds.

Because Asians aren’t allowed to immigrate to this country unless they are educated! They can’t just walk across a border.

They are penalized for having some education while they are not allowed to immigrate if they don’t.

Dam*ed if they do, dam*ed if they don’t.

Asian-Origin Countries with the Largest Share of Undocumented Population
2017 | Ranked by Undocumented Population
FIGURE 20
5.9% of Total Undocumented Population

FIGURE 20: Center for Migration Studies, State-Level Unauthorized Population and Eligible-to-Naturalize Estimates (2017).

Hundreds of thousands of illegal Asian immigrants
https://advancingjustice-aajc.org/sites/default/files/2019-09/3_1153_AAJC_Immigration_Undocumented%20Immigrants.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The way to get ahead in America today is just be poor and URM. Society now hands you everything on a plate if you are in these categories? Undeserving magnet admissions for average or below average intellect? Check. 400 SAT point bonus and preference at ivies? Check. Subsidized loans? Check. Preference in recruiting at most companies? Check. Now they’re talking about canceling student loan debt. Do URMs even have to try anymore?

Yeah, that's why poor black and Hispanic people are so over-represented at selective colleges, law schools, med schools, law firms, hedge funds, and so on, and so under-represented in the kinds of low-wage, public-facing jobs where people are disproportionately getting sick and dying of covid.

Wait, what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.

This is really racist.

Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.

This is because the Central American immigrants that come here are from the lowest socioeconomic classes of their countries. Many of these folks don’t even read or write Spanish! The Asian immigrants here usually come from more educated backgrounds.

Because Asians aren’t allowed to immigrate to this country unless they are educated! They can’t just walk across a border.

They are penalized for having some education while they are not allowed to immigrate if they don’t.

Dam*ed if they do, dam*ed if they don’t.

Asian-Origin Countries with the Largest Share of Undocumented Population
2017 | Ranked by Undocumented Population
FIGURE 20
5.9% of Total Undocumented Population

FIGURE 20: Center for Migration Studies, State-Level Unauthorized Population and Eligible-to-Naturalize Estimates (2017).

Hundreds of thousands of illegal Asian immigrants
https://advancingjustice-aajc.org/sites/default/files/2019-09/3_1153_AAJC_Immigration_Undocumented%20Immigrants.pdf

NP and sorry for going off topic but I didn't know 1 out of every 7 Asian immigrants are undocumented.
The fact that they have these numbers must mean they were caught -what happens to them?

[Anonymous]

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I have no idea what your post is supposed to mean. My kids are American. English is their only language. Well, my HSer knows some Spanish now, and my MSer knows some French.

And there is such a thing as "Asian" culture, or European culture. We've had this discussion before on this forum.

Are you a white person trying to tell Asian people that there is no such thing as "Asian" culture? Most Asians I know (and I know plenty) agree that there is such a thing as "Asian" culture, just as there is such a thing as "Latin" culture.

There isn't such a thing as "Latin" culture either.

Or "European" culture, except what has developed in the past few decades through the EU, which half of people in England have now decided they want no part of.

[Anonymous]

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NP and sorry for going off topic but I didn't know 1 out of every 7 Asian immigrants are undocumented.
The fact that they have these numbers must mean they were caught -what happens to them?

They get deported, like anybody else. What would you think?

[Anonymous]

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Because Asians aren’t allowed to immigrate to this country unless they are educated! They can’t just walk across a border.

They are penalized for having some education while they are not allowed to immigrate if they don’t.

Dam*ed if they do, dam*ed if they don’t.

Well, sure they can. They can go to Mexico (or Canada) first and then walk across the border - just like the Guatemalans.

Or they can arrive legally by airplane and overstay their visas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.

If kids are turning on other kids, then you need to look at what those kids are hearing at home.

Just based on DCUM alone, there is overwhelming racism, bias, stereotyping, and xenophobia against Asians that goes completely unchecked and is supported by the woke crowd.

So yes, the kids of these DCUM parents are definitely hearing and learning how to cherry pick racism and justify it.

You should never base anything on DCUM alione - except possibly generalizations about DCUM.