NVSC Pushing Super Y (Summer League) Already?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

You weren't "offering an opinion". You were stating something as fact which wasn't true.

This was a simple discussion on whether or not the top kids play a lot. You claimed they do not. I pointed out that they do. I know they do, because I see them doing it every week.

Now you are claiming the following:

1. I "have my kid" play 24-7.
2. Most of my kids will stop playing by 16.

Yet again you are spouting nonsense.

You really are a blithering idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

So don't have your kid play, it's that simple. Others enjoy playing all summer. My son plays Super Y every summer and loves it. His club doesn't have a Super Y team, so it gives him a chance to play with other players and with different coaches. Also, has never gotten an injury!

My kid doesn't play. Thats not the point. I have nothing against playing Super Y for fun. My point was for the parent who believes that the best kids have to be constantly playing in order to stay the best. Its simply not true. I truly believe that kids should be given time off from their sport in order to excel in it.

I think there's more than one of us taking this position or something close to it. So I can only speak for myself - where my position is slightly more nuanced. I don't know whether the kids have to play all the time to be the best, or whether they could achieve the same level of skill while playing less. I just know that all the best kids in the area do play all the time.

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All I can say is that top athletes play or train all of the time. C. Ronaldo is infamous for his constant rigorous training/practice even though he is the best or one of the best in his profession.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

What is your problem?

Super Y is a pretty casual experience. Perhaps some training once or twice a week and about 8 games. Because it is summer missing games and practices is expected. It just isn’t that big a deal or commitment. Relax and don’t worry about what someone else’s kid is doing.

I kinda said that above.

No, you have attacked it as a waste of time and judged kids and parents for believing their kids are among the best.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

You weren't "offering an opinion". You were stating something as fact which wasn't true.

This was a simple discussion on whether or not the top kids play a lot. You claimed they do not. I pointed out that they do. I know they do, because I see them doing it every week.

Now you are claiming the following:

1. I "have my kid" play 24-7.
2. Most of my kids will stop playing by 16.

Yet again you are spouting nonsense.

You really are a blithering idiot.

Playing a summer league, a fall league, a winter league, a spring league, and back to a summer league...repeat year after year.....won't make your kid good. It will burn them out and lead to injury.

This is the mentality of U9-14 parents. You have it all figured out. I'll excuse my idiot self from this conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

What is your problem?

Super Y is a pretty casual experience. Perhaps some training once or twice a week and about 8 games. Because it is summer missing games and practices is expected. It just isn’t that big a deal or commitment. Relax and don’t worry about what someone else’s kid is doing.

I kinda said that above.

No, you have attacked it as a waste of time and judged kids and parents for believing their kids are among the best.

No, I attacked the notion that playing 12 months a year is beneficial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All I can say is that top athletes play or train all of the time. C. Ronaldo is infamous for his constant rigorous training/practice even though he is the best or one of the best in his profession.

Ronaldo is a mega superstar with the best trainers, drugs, therapy and equipment. Your kid doesn't have any of that.

Ronaldo has a MAJOR knee issue from chronic over use that will continue to worsen over time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

You weren't "offering an opinion". You were stating something as fact which wasn't true.

This was a simple discussion on whether or not the top kids play a lot. You claimed they do not. I pointed out that they do. I know they do, because I see them doing it every week.

Now you are claiming the following:

1. I "have my kid" play 24-7.
2. Most of my kids will stop playing by 16.

Yet again you are spouting nonsense.

You really are a blithering idiot.

Playing a summer league, a fall league, a winter league, a spring league, and back to a summer league...repeat year after year.....won't make your kid good. It will burn them out and lead to injury.

This is the mentality of U9-14 parents. You have it all figured out. I'll excuse my idiot self from this conversation.

Frankly, most kids past U14 cut back naturally. You are just screaming at the sky for no reason. By then kids are either playing to get recruited or they know they won't and they have a different decision to make. Many of those kids simply choose to focus on the environment that is most fun for them.

Kids who are looking to get recruited simply cut back in favor of more focused training. They go to ID camps, go to strength and conditioning, have personal trainers work on specific aspects etc.

None of this means that their time in Super Y, Bolivian or whatever side playing they did was a waste of time, especially if they enjoyed playing. I find it odd that we worry so much about overuse and "burnout" with kids activities that past 17 years old most of them will never get to enjoy in the same way again. Let them play until they have had their fill, they are only kids once.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is that top athletes play or train all of the time. C. Ronaldo is infamous for his constant rigorous training/practice even though he is the best or one of the best in his profession.

Ronaldo is a mega superstar with the best trainers, drugs, therapy and equipment. Your kid doesn't have any of that.

Ronaldo has a MAJOR knee issue from chronic over use that will continue to worsen over time.

And he wouldn't trade his life with you and your healthy knees in a million years.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

What is your problem?

Super Y is a pretty casual experience. Perhaps some training once or twice a week and about 8 games. Because it is summer missing games and practices is expected. It just isn’t that big a deal or commitment. Relax and don’t worry about what someone else’s kid is doing.

I kinda said that above.

No, you have attacked it as a waste of time and judged kids and parents for believing their kids are among the best.

No, I attacked the notion that playing 12 months a year is beneficial.

Beneficial to what end? It doesn't need to have any more benefit than to simply be fun. If there are other sports they enjoy playing then do those too. But I think you are looking at the "benefit" in the wrong context.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

What is your problem?

Super Y is a pretty casual experience. Perhaps some training once or twice a week and about 8 games. Because it is summer missing games and practices is expected. It just isn’t that big a deal or commitment. Relax and don’t worry about what someone else’s kid is doing.

I kinda said that above.

No, you have attacked it as a waste of time and judged kids and parents for believing their kids are among the best.

No, I attacked the notion that playing 12 months a year is beneficial.

Beneficial to what end? It doesn't need to have any more benefit than to simply be fun. If there are other sports they enjoy playing then do those too. But I think you are looking at the "benefit" in the wrong context.

Again, as I said many times already, playing for fun is great. Thats why they should play. I'm countering the notion that "the best kids are always playing". Its simply not true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is that top athletes play or train all of the time. C. Ronaldo is infamous for his constant rigorous training/practice even though he is the best or one of the best in his profession.

Ronaldo is a mega superstar with the best trainers, drugs, therapy and equipment. Your kid doesn't have any of that.

Ronaldo has a MAJOR knee issue from chronic over use that will continue to worsen over time.

And he wouldn't trade his life with you and your healthy knees in a million years.

And you didn't counter my point.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

What is your problem?

Super Y is a pretty casual experience. Perhaps some training once or twice a week and about 8 games. Because it is summer missing games and practices is expected. It just isn’t that big a deal or commitment. Relax and don’t worry about what someone else’s kid is doing.

I kinda said that above.

No, you have attacked it as a waste of time and judged kids and parents for believing their kids are among the best.

No, I attacked the notion that playing 12 months a year is beneficial.

Beneficial to what end? It doesn't need to have any more benefit than to simply be fun. If there are other sports they enjoy playing then do those too. But I think you are looking at the "benefit" in the wrong context.

Again, as I said many times already, playing for fun is great. Thats why they should play. I'm countering the notion that "the best kids are always playing". Its simply not true.

Nobody has made that claim as it pertains to Super Y. Just stop.

The best kids do play and train more than other kids. You are arguing that correlation is causation. But, no, not all the best kids play in Super Y and that claim was never made. Super Y is a pretty mixed bag talent wise. There some very good teams and there are more that are just meh. But who cares?!

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it possible to just do Super Y because playing soccer is fun?

Yes exactly. I'm one of the PP's talking about how the gifted kids play a lot. This is NOT happening because their parents are pushing them. Basically these kids just want to play because they love it - and they find ways to do so - the parents couldn't stop them if they tried.

So I completely agree with this. If your kid wants to play Super Y, then sign them up for it. It's fun. If they would rather not play, then don't sign them up for it.

Super Y is awful. And playing all the time doesn't make you better (but it will cause injury.). No, not all the "best" kids are playing all the time. No, not all the best kids are doing personal training, etc.

Bro I dont know you but I promise you your kid isn't even in the conversation with the "BEST" kids

You sound arrogant.

Not the PP here - and he may sound a little arrogant - but the other poster (the one who thinks the best kids aren't playing all the time) is just wrong when he suggests that the top kids don't play all the time. They do. And most of the next tier down play all the time too. I'm guessing this guy doesn't even know who the top kids are, and has probably never heard of the Bolivian league either. He's right about none of them (at least as far as I'm aware) doing one-on-one with a personal trainer though.

I'm the poster your referring to....go ahead and have your kid play 24-7. Do what you feel. Thats your business. I'm offering my opinion. You don't like it? Disregard it.

Most of your kids will stop playing by 16. Enjoy

What is your problem?

Super Y is a pretty casual experience. Perhaps some training once or twice a week and about 8 games. Because it is summer missing games and practices is expected. It just isn’t that big a deal or commitment. Relax and don’t worry about what someone else’s kid is doing.

I kinda said that above.

No, you have attacked it as a waste of time and judged kids and parents for believing their kids are among the best.

No, I attacked the notion that playing 12 months a year is beneficial.

Beneficial to what end? It doesn't need to have any more benefit than to simply be fun. If there are other sports they enjoy playing then do those too. But I think you are looking at the "benefit" in the wrong context.

Again, as I said many times already, playing for fun is great. Thats why they should play. I'm countering the notion that "the best kids are always playing". Its simply not true.

Nobody has made that claim as it pertains to Super Y. Just stop.

The best kids do play and train more than other kids. You are arguing that correlation is causation. But, no, not all the best kids play in Super Y and that claim was never made. Super Y is a pretty mixed bag talent wise. There some very good teams and there are more that are just meh. But who cares?!

Yes..the point was.made that all the best players play all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:All I can say is that top athletes play or train all of the time. C. Ronaldo is infamous for his constant rigorous training/practice even though he is the best or one of the best in his profession.

Ronaldo is a mega superstar with the best trainers, drugs, therapy and equipment. Your kid doesn't have any of that.

Ronaldo has a MAJOR knee issue from chronic over use that will continue to worsen over time.

And he wouldn't trade his life with you and your healthy knees in a million years.

And you didn't counter my point.

I didn't have to. Kids who play regularly until they are 17 will not suffer any greater knee problems than most people. Comparing playing youth soccer until 17 years old to a professional who's career was 20 years is laughable.