The All Boys School Conundrum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP what’s your point? Why do you GAF what people say? My son is applying to several schools that had some concerns about toxic masculinity etc and he’s kind and so nice. And all of his friends who went to these schools are really nice.

Why do you listen to people trashing these schools? Don’t be a sheep. It’s not like your son is going to join the klan after going to one of them. He’ll likely be athletic and get a good education and make lasting friendships in a rigorous academic environment. Usually they profess to understand boys as well.

Actually two friends’ sons have become alternative right after starting at one of these schools. Peers are more influential than parents. They started watching Ben Shapiro and other right wing shows casually with friends and now they are full blown right wing.

Holy moly! Kids went to a quality school, learned to think critically, and now have opinions of their own! Parents need to demand a refund!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP what’s your point? Why do you GAF what people say? My son is applying to several schools that had some concerns about toxic masculinity etc and he’s kind and so nice. And all of his friends who went to these schools are really nice.

Why do you listen to people trashing these schools? Don’t be a sheep. It’s not like your son is going to join the klan after going to one of them. He’ll likely be athletic and get a good education and make lasting friendships in a rigorous academic environment. Usually they profess to understand boys as well.

That’s quite a statement! Don’t worry about all-boys’ schools; they aren’t the kkk.

Surely there’s a more measured response to be had here.

Its actually prefect and show why so many don’t want their kids at those schools.

The PP does not represent the typical parent at either of the all boys schools my sons have gone to. Don’t make decisions based on an anonymous message board.

Actually it does. Self reflection is hard, so I understand why you don’t see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP what’s your point? Why do you GAF what people say? My son is applying to several schools that had some concerns about toxic masculinity etc and he’s kind and so nice. And all of his friends who went to these schools are really nice.

Why do you listen to people trashing these schools? Don’t be a sheep. It’s not like your son is going to join the klan after going to one of them. He’ll likely be athletic and get a good education and make lasting friendships in a rigorous academic environment. Usually they profess to understand boys as well.

Actually two friends’ sons have become alternative right after starting at one of these schools. Peers are more influential than parents. They started watching Ben Shapiro and other right wing shows casually with friends and now they are full blown right wing.

Holy moly! Kids went to a quality school, learned to think critically, and now have opinions of their own! Parents need to demand a refund!

“Own opinion”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP what’s your point? Why do you GAF what people say? My son is applying to several schools that had some concerns about toxic masculinity etc and he’s kind and so nice. And all of his friends who went to these schools are really nice.

Why do you listen to people trashing these schools? Don’t be a sheep. It’s not like your son is going to join the klan after going to one of them. He’ll likely be athletic and get a good education and make lasting friendships in a rigorous academic environment. Usually they profess to understand boys as well.

Actually two friends’ sons have become alternative right after starting at one of these schools. Peers are more influential than parents. They started watching Ben Shapiro and other right wing shows casually with friends and now they are full blown right wing.

Holy moly! Kids went to a quality school, learned to think critically, and now have opinions of their own! Parents need to demand a refund!

Not actually. These views were from peers not the school. Since when is being sexist and calling immigrants aliens critical thinking? You are a total loser buddy!

[Anonymous]

I am in Arlington Dioceses not DC but most of the K-8 schools are most certainly white students. Catholic religions in US is ~65% white. Gonzaga has ~ 27% minority enrollment. Pretty close.

[Anonymous]

My husband attended an elite Catholic boys school in the Northeast. Predominantly but not exclusively white. TBH I find interest in whether these institutions are racially representative kind of bizarre--they are not representative in any other way; why would this one be different?

The school my husband attended abuts a monastery where the Church rotated known pedophiles for many decades. All of that is on the books of the criminal justice system in the state at this point. There were (and are) monks living there about whom the students were advised, by teachers, "don't be near him alone."

We get the alumni magazine, which of course does not address any of this despite it all being in the news with some regularity. It is striking to read through. Probably a third of recent graduates attend Catholic institutions of higher education--fine if it is your bag, some of them are great. Not one single admission to a service academy, no one joined the military, no one entered a police or fire academy, no one attended a community college, less than a handful of regional public institutions.

The net impression is that it's a sheltered environment in which kids are kept for either an exclusively UMC/UC trajectory or for total destruction via the experience of child sexual abuse. Sometimes both.

This would not be something we would consider under any circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My husband attended an elite Catholic boys school in the Northeast. Predominantly but not exclusively white. TBH I find interest in whether these institutions are racially representative kind of bizarre--they are not representative in any other way; why would this one be different?

The school my husband attended abuts a monastery where the Church rotated known pedophiles for many decades. All of that is on the books of the criminal justice system in the state at this point. There were (and are) monks living there about whom the students were advised, by teachers, "don't be near him alone."

We get the alumni magazine, which of course does not address any of this despite it all being in the news with some regularity. It is striking to read through. Probably a third of recent graduates attend Catholic institutions of higher education--fine if it is your bag, some of them are great. Not one single admission to a service academy, no one joined the military, no one entered a police or fire academy, no one attended a community college, less than a handful of regional public institutions.

The net impression is that it's a sheltered environment in which kids are kept for either an exclusively UMC/UC trajectory or for total destruction via the experience of child sexual abuse. Sometimes both.

This would not be something we would consider under any circumstances.

So you would rule out ALL 9,000 boys Catholic schools based on what happened 30 years ago at one school. Do you also rule out going to all restaurants when you have a bad experience at one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP what’s your point? Why do you GAF what people say? My son is applying to several schools that had some concerns about toxic masculinity etc and he’s kind and so nice. And all of his friends who went to these schools are really nice.

Why do you listen to people trashing these schools? Don’t be a sheep. It’s not like your son is going to join the klan after going to one of them. He’ll likely be athletic and get a good education and make lasting friendships in a rigorous academic environment. Usually they profess to understand boys as well.

Actually two friends’ sons have become alternative right after starting at one of these schools. Peers are more influential than parents. They started watching Ben Shapiro and other right wing shows casually with friends and now they are full blown right wing.

Holy moly! Kids went to a quality school, learned to think critically, and now have opinions of their own! Parents need to demand a refund!

Ben Shapiro is hardly “alt right.” He’s actually quite popular with teen boys at a number of these so- called liberal schools. My son and his friends included.

[Anonymous]

I personally think Gonzaga is too liberal. I guess there's a school for everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP what’s your point? Why do you GAF what people say? My son is applying to several schools that had some concerns about toxic masculinity etc and he’s kind and so nice. And all of his friends who went to these schools are really nice.

Why do you listen to people trashing these schools? Don’t be a sheep. It’s not like your son is going to join the klan after going to one of them. He’ll likely be athletic and get a good education and make lasting friendships in a rigorous academic environment. Usually they profess to understand boys as well.

Actually two friends’ sons have become alternative right after starting at one of these schools. Peers are more influential than parents. They started watching Ben Shapiro and other right wing shows casually with friends and now they are full blown right wing.

Holy moly! Kids went to a quality school, learned to think critically, and now have opinions of their own! Parents need to demand a refund!

Ben Shapiro is hardly “alt right.” He’s actually quite popular with teen boys at a number of these so- called liberal schools. My son and his friends included.

1. Alt right isn’t an opinion; it’s white supremacist propaganda

2. Where’s Ben Shapiro is alt right or something else, he is an idiot. As are most pundits. Can’t these kids just read real books by real scholars? Adults too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband attended an elite Catholic boys school in the Northeast. Predominantly but not exclusively white. TBH I find interest in whether these institutions are racially representative kind of bizarre--they are not representative in any other way; why would this one be different?

The school my husband attended abuts a monastery where the Church rotated known pedophiles for many decades. All of that is on the books of the criminal justice system in the state at this point. There were (and are) monks living there about whom the students were advised, by teachers, "don't be near him alone."

We get the alumni magazine, which of course does not address any of this despite it all being in the news with some regularity. It is striking to read through. Probably a third of recent graduates attend Catholic institutions of higher education--fine if it is your bag, some of them are great. Not one single admission to a service academy, no one joined the military, no one entered a police or fire academy, no one attended a community college, less than a handful of regional public institutions.

The net impression is that it's a sheltered environment in which kids are kept for either an exclusively UMC/UC trajectory or for total destruction via the experience of child sexual abuse. Sometimes both.

This would not be something we would consider under any circumstances.

So you would rule out ALL 9,000 boys Catholic schools based on what happened 30 years ago at one school. Do you also rule out going to all restaurants when you have a bad experience at one?

Not PP but my family member was part of the team that investigated prep for the sex abuse scandal and the fact that modern day Jesuit schools still hid an abuser and coached kids to slander a boy to investigators ... yep ... ruled out Jesuit schools. Not all schools Jesuit schools. It wasn’t 30 years ago it was 15 ... 15 years ago, and people still send their kids there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I personally think Gonzaga is too liberal. I guess there's a school for everyone.

Liberals can be racist and misogynistic too. Equal opportunity a-holes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP what’s your point? Why do you GAF what people say? My son is applying to several schools that had some concerns about toxic masculinity etc and he’s kind and so nice. And all of his friends who went to these schools are really nice.

Why do you listen to people trashing these schools? Don’t be a sheep. It’s not like your son is going to join the klan after going to one of them. He’ll likely be athletic and get a good education and make lasting friendships in a rigorous academic environment. Usually they profess to understand boys as well.

Actually two friends’ sons have become alternative right after starting at one of these schools. Peers are more influential than parents. They started watching Ben Shapiro and other right wing shows casually with friends and now they are full blown right wing.

Holy moly! Kids went to a quality school, learned to think critically, and now have opinions of their own! Parents need to demand a refund!

Ben Shapiro is hardly “alt right.” He’s actually quite popular with teen boys at a number of these so- called liberal schools. My son and his friends included.

1. Alt right isn’t an opinion; it’s white supremacist propaganda

2. Where’s Ben Shapiro is alt right or something else, he is an idiot. As are most pundits. Can’t these kids just read real books by real scholars? Adults too.

He’s actually quite refreshing. You think he’s an idiot because he disagrees with you, of course

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband attended an elite Catholic boys school in the Northeast. Predominantly but not exclusively white. TBH I find interest in whether these institutions are racially representative kind of bizarre--they are not representative in any other way; why would this one be different?

The school my husband attended abuts a monastery where the Church rotated known pedophiles for many decades. All of that is on the books of the criminal justice system in the state at this point. There were (and are) monks living there about whom the students were advised, by teachers, "don't be near him alone."

We get the alumni magazine, which of course does not address any of this despite it all being in the news with some regularity. It is striking to read through. Probably a third of recent graduates attend Catholic institutions of higher education--fine if it is your bag, some of them are great. Not one single admission to a service academy, no one joined the military, no one entered a police or fire academy, no one attended a community college, less than a handful of regional public institutions.

The net impression is that it's a sheltered environment in which kids are kept for either an exclusively UMC/UC trajectory or for total destruction via the experience of child sexual abuse. Sometimes both.

This would not be something we would consider under any circumstances.

So you would rule out ALL 9,000 boys Catholic schools based on what happened 30 years ago at one school. Do you also rule out going to all restaurants when you have a bad experience at one?

Not PP but my family member was part of the team that investigated prep for the sex abuse scandal and the fact that modern day Jesuit schools still hid an abuser and coached kids to slander a boy to investigators ... yep ... ruled out Jesuit schools. Not all schools Jesuit schools. It wasn’t 30 years ago it was 15 ... 15 years ago, and people still send their kids there.

So how many years would you suggest people wait before sending kids to any Jesuit schools? 50, 100, 300?

[Anonymous]

Wasn’t there a recent arrest at Wooten HS? There was also a sexual assault arrest a year or two ago at West Po (students in this case). Both non-Catholic and both co-Ed. Sadly happens everywhere.