Why are parents so fixated on reopening schools in-person?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:because my ES kids are basically treading water as far as learning new material. That means we either turn family time into supplement time or just accept it. Meanwhile their friends in catholic school are back full time and moving at a normal pace. It infuriates me that an adequate education is now wholly dependent on the ability to pay

Well, this is the reality of many involved parents who consider themselves an equal partner with the school system and sit and go over the day's lesson with their children and supplement. Education also needs to happen at home. Else, you will be raising brain-dead losers like Trump, Rudy and Proud Boys.

We heavily supplemented in ES before covid. ES curriculum is very slow and they don't teach many things.

+ 1

True. Just the arithmetic curriculum was so slow, confusing and ill-taught that it was unbelievable. I supplemented at home and my kids had mastered multiplication tables, long divisions and multiplication by end of 2nd grade. I saw many, many kids so lacking in basic foundational knowledge by 3rd and 4th tgrade hat everything after that - long division, fractions, word problems, percentages, ratios, exponents become Greek to them. And word problems? Dear GOD!!

Most parents are unable to teach their kids Maths because they themselves do not know the basics.

I'm hoping you didn't take responsibility for teaching your kids spelling or grammar

[Anonymous]

Because keeping malls, bars, restaurants, nail salons open while ending PUBLIC education creates incredible equity problems.
It also removes mostly mothers from the workforce who need to stay home for childcare duties. I quit my job in August so I can oversee the hybrid education stuff at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pretty much every school that "opened up" to in-person had to shut down again. Why? Because the majority of the U.S. Population doesn't understand the difference between High School math (bell curves) and the science of Coronavirus propagation. Folks, there is no "curve".

As long as you have one infected person, and a large number of uninfected people; that one person will infect the others. The cycle just restarts over and over again. This is what happened in Europe and in the U.S. Go research it yourselves. Play the game called "Plague" and maybe the math and science will make more sense. It's a math thing. The virus doesn't care about public opinions or politics. The science of transmission doesn't change from testing or wishful thinking.

The only way to totally stop this cycle is either to fully immunize the population (fewer deaths) or achieve "herd immunity" by infecting the entire population (which is bad news for anyone over 60 or with health conditions - sorry but you're written off as collateral damage).

This doesn't even include the human factor that teachers will become the new "front line" of Covid. You're asking them, without medical training, to become a "super-spreader defensive line"? If even one kid sniffles or coughs, what then? How many parents and their families will you infect? What if they live with family or have close contact with people with medical conditions or elderly? What if the child has a medical condition himself/herself? Are they all expendable?

I can understand if a kids home is already infected (e.g. parents that didn't understand the impact early in the pandemic), or if the kid is developing mental health issues from the isolation - but some parents were just complaining they didn't have daycare. For those parents, I do empathize that you do need some sort of help or solution - and maybe the school can assist in some way; but to force your will on other parents and other families is going too far. Find a solution for your own children, but not by creating issues for others.

To all those parents pushing to re-open, work with the schools to find a solution to your issues, but leave the rest who want to save lives alone.

THis is 100% wrong. Not even close.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty much every school that "opened up" to in-person had to shut down again. Why? Because the majority of the U.S. Population doesn't understand the difference between High School math (bell curves) and the science of Coronavirus propagation. Folks, there is no "curve".

As long as you have one infected person, and a large number of uninfected people; that one person will infect the others. The cycle just restarts over and over again. This is what happened in Europe and in the U.S. Go research it yourselves. Play the game called "Plague" and maybe the math and science will make more sense. It's a math thing. The virus doesn't care about public opinions or politics. The science of transmission doesn't change from testing or wishful thinking.

The only way to totally stop this cycle is either to fully immunize the population (fewer deaths) or achieve "herd immunity" by infecting the entire population (which is bad news for anyone over 60 or with health conditions - sorry but you're written off as collateral damage).

This doesn't even include the human factor that teachers will become the new "front line" of Covid. You're asking them, without medical training, to become a "super-spreader defensive line"? If even one kid sniffles or coughs, what then? How many parents and their families will you infect? What if they live with family or have close contact with people with medical conditions or elderly? What if the child has a medical condition himself/herself? Are they all expendable?

I can understand if a kids home is already infected (e.g. parents that didn't understand the impact early in the pandemic), or if the kid is developing mental health issues from the isolation - but some parents were just complaining they didn't have daycare. For those parents, I do empathize that you do need some sort of help or solution - and maybe the school can assist in some way; but to force your will on other parents and other families is going too far. Find a solution for your own children, but not by creating issues for others.

To all those parents pushing to re-open, work with the schools to find a solution to your issues, but leave the rest who want to save lives alone.

This is a pathetic attempt to argue the science. Like your dumb ass is arguing that the R0 is completely stable, when we know we can do things to affect that. And that's just in the first sentence of your argument. Basically all of this is wrong. Are you a teacher?

agreed. And OP is probably a math teacher.

[Anonymous]

Because the scientific evidence supports reopening with mitigation, and the balance of harms strongly favors reopening.

Closing schools was a political decision, not a scientific one.

[Anonymous]

+1000.

Even WaPo reported politics and the strength if teacher unions were primary factors in school closings.

The drama queens who keep stating school openings equal certain death are ill informed or illiterate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fixated because private school and Catholic school kids have been in school ALL YEAR in DC and elsewhere. There's no reason, other than politics, for public schools to be closed and private schools to be opened.

I'm also fixated because I can cite you name after name of public health experts, doctors, educators, who all say we need to reopen schools and prioritize schools. Yet contrary to the grandiose claims to "believe science," parents and politicians in DC are now completely ignoring all of this science.

And finally I'm fixated on the incredibly hypocrisy of progressives in DC pretending to care about black kids and marginalized people, all the while refusing to engage with the actual facts in front of their eyes: rich white kids in DC are being educated; poor black kids are not.

What about poor white kids? What about rich black kids, or spanish kids, rich and poor? Etc.

My kids are "poor white" and doing well with DL. Statements like yours, PP, are pure evil. You are using disadvantaged kids to try to win your argument and get your way. Nasty person, PP.

I’m always amazed at the depths of poverty being racialized in the USA. It’s amazing how poor white Americans are completely ignored and not acknowledged. And liberals do this the most. Poor white people are not seen nor heard. Completely hidden away.

As if there aren’t poor white children across America. Upstate NY, Mississippi, Texas, Kentucky, Ohio anyone???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1000.

Even WaPo reported politics and the strength if teacher unions were primary factors in school closings.

The drama queens who keep stating school openings equal certain death are ill informed or illiterate.

Yeah, a quarter of a million people dead is nothing. If only people could read they would stop being such drama queens! Open schools, I only care about myself!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm fixated because private school and Catholic school kids have been in school ALL YEAR in DC and elsewhere. There's no reason, other than politics, for public schools to be closed and private schools to be opened.

I'm also fixated because I can cite you name after name of public health experts, doctors, educators, who all say we need to reopen schools and prioritize schools. Yet contrary to the grandiose claims to "believe science," parents and politicians in DC are now completely ignoring all of this science.

And finally I'm fixated on the incredibly hypocrisy of progressives in DC pretending to care about black kids and marginalized people, all the while refusing to engage with the actual facts in front of their eyes: rich white kids in DC are being educated; poor black kids are not.

What about poor white kids? What about rich black kids, or spanish kids, rich and poor? Etc.

My kids are "poor white" and doing well with DL. Statements like yours, PP, are pure evil. You are using disadvantaged kids to try to win your argument and get your way. Nasty person, PP.

I’m always amazed at the depths of poverty being racialized in the USA. It’s amazing how poor white Americans are completely ignored and not acknowledged. And liberals do this the most. Poor white people are not seen nor heard. Completely hidden away.

As if there aren’t poor white children across America. Upstate NY, Mississippi, Texas, Kentucky, Ohio anyone???

Uh, the PP referred to "the incredible hypocrisy of the progressives" so I'm guessing she is not a liberal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1000.

Even WaPo reported politics and the strength if teacher unions were primary factors in school closings.

The drama queens who keep stating school openings equal certain death are ill informed or illiterate.

Yeah, a quarter of a million people dead is nothing. If only people could read they would stop being such drama queens! Open schools, I only care about myself!

You are proving the PP’s point.

[Anonymous]

I have a few friends that have lost their minds during this and are gung ho about opening schools. One is out in Carlsbad, CA and apparently, they are opening in January. Hmm. Bad idea. She just seems so far gone that I don't think she is thinking straight. Another one is in FFX County and her kid needs to get back to school so he can earn a sports scholarship to college. She wants all schools to reopen like normal. This person is very well educated too. I don't get it. I think it's desperation talking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think we have dumped so many social responsibilities on the school system—childcare, food, social skills, counseling, etc.—that we are just in a state of shock when they assert that their main job is education.

And they haven't been doing their main job--education--since March.

Where do your kids go to school? What are you talking about? My kid's teachers are online live nearly all day except for lunch and their special area class. Do you have any idea how long it takes to prepare for a daily 5+ hour live session? I have two meetings a week that I lead for an hour and it takes a loooooong time to prepare for them (and they are for adults).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm fixated because private school and Catholic school kids have been in school ALL YEAR in DC and elsewhere. There's no reason, other than politics, for public schools to be closed and private schools to be opened.

I'm also fixated because I can cite you name after name of public health experts, doctors, educators, who all say we need to reopen schools and prioritize schools. Yet contrary to the grandiose claims to "believe science," parents and politicians in DC are now completely ignoring all of this science.

And finally I'm fixated on the incredibly hypocrisy of progressives in DC pretending to care about black kids and marginalized people, all the while refusing to engage with the actual facts in front of their eyes: rich white kids in DC are being educated; poor black kids are not.

What about poor white kids? What about rich black kids, or spanish kids, rich and poor? Etc.

My kids are "poor white" and doing well with DL. Statements like yours, PP, are pure evil. You are using disadvantaged kids to try to win your argument and get your way. Nasty person, PP.

I’m always amazed at the depths of poverty being racialized in the USA. It’s amazing how poor white Americans are completely ignored and not acknowledged. And liberals do this the most. Poor white people are not seen nor heard. Completely hidden away.

As if there aren’t poor white children across America. Upstate NY, Mississippi, Texas, Kentucky, Ohio anyone???

My post was about DC, where the poverty divide is extremely racialized. But if it makes you happy - white SN kids (like mine) and lots of other white kids are also suffering. My specific point there was to call out the hypocrisy of politicians and individuals who claim to be "progressive" and championing "marginalized people" while keeping schools closed, which in DC will most heavily impact black/brown kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm fixated because private school and Catholic school kids have been in school ALL YEAR in DC and elsewhere. There's no reason, other than politics, for public schools to be closed and private schools to be opened.

I'm also fixated because I can cite you name after name of public health experts, doctors, educators, who all say we need to reopen schools and prioritize schools. Yet contrary to the grandiose claims to "believe science," parents and politicians in DC are now completely ignoring all of this science.

And finally I'm fixated on the incredibly hypocrisy of progressives in DC pretending to care about black kids and marginalized people, all the while refusing to engage with the actual facts in front of their eyes: rich white kids in DC are being educated; poor black kids are not.

What about poor white kids? What about rich black kids, or spanish kids, rich and poor? Etc.

My kids are "poor white" and doing well with DL. Statements like yours, PP, are pure evil. You are using disadvantaged kids to try to win your argument and get your way. Nasty person, PP.

I’m always amazed at the depths of poverty being racialized in the USA. It’s amazing how poor white Americans are completely ignored and not acknowledged. And liberals do this the most. Poor white people are not seen nor heard. Completely hidden away.

As if there aren’t poor white children across America. Upstate NY, Mississippi, Texas, Kentucky, Ohio anyone???

Uh, the PP referred to "the incredible hypocrisy of the progressives" so I'm guessing she is not a liberal.

Oh but I am. Progressive even! My point is that anyone who is ACTUALLY progressive should be very, very upset at what's happening with school closures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm fixated because private school and Catholic school kids have been in school ALL YEAR in DC and elsewhere. There's no reason, other than politics, for public schools to be closed and private schools to be opened.

I'm also fixated because I can cite you name after name of public health experts, doctors, educators, who all say we need to reopen schools and prioritize schools. Yet contrary to the grandiose claims to "believe science," parents and politicians in DC are now completely ignoring all of this science.

And finally I'm fixated on the incredibly hypocrisy of progressives in DC pretending to care about black kids and marginalized people, all the while refusing to engage with the actual facts in front of their eyes: rich white kids in DC are being educated; poor black kids are not.

Teacher here. I'm also a parent of a Catholic school student who is in school twice a week. I teach in public school. Public and private schools are like night and day with reopening. My district asked for volunteers to open for certain student populations. I attended the meeting and my main questions were about masks. I would go back if schools could send children home for failure to comply with mask rules. They said they couldn't do that. If a kid won't wear a mask properly, teachers are supposed to ENCOURAGE them to wear it the right way. Um, what? At my son's school, a few boys weren't wearing theirs correctly and they were immediately sent home and couldn't return to school at all. If I don't pick up my sick kid at school within 40 minutes of being called, he cannot return to school at all. They are serious and no-nonsense and that's why I allow him to go to school. Nobody is "encouraging" the students to follow the rules there. If they don't follow them, they go home permanently. No questions asked.