Choosing between Emory and UMich for engineering

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a safety school for most students at DCs school.

Name the school. I highly doubt that.

Wootton. The acceptance rate per Bethesda report is 50%

and Emory had a 48% acceptance rate at Wootton what's your point

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love Michigan. I turned down Ivy for Michigan. I think it's way underrated on DCUM and elsewhere, and I mean that for almost all subjects, not just engineering and business.

But I could see how someone might prefer Emory. One problem with Michigan is that it can be very rough for first year students in the more competitive fields. The engineering school is amazing, but it isn't exactly nurturing for young students. Exhilarating, yes. But not nurturing. Emory may be better on that score, especially since it has a small satellite campus for first and second year students.

I'd still pick Michigan.

Yes except all the elite circles acknowledge that Emory engineering is superior, the placement into the top engineering firms and places like Google and Apple are better

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love Michigan. I turned down Ivy for Michigan. I think it's way underrated on DCUM and elsewhere, and I mean that for almost all subjects, not just engineering and business.

But I could see how someone might prefer Emory. One problem with Michigan is that it can be very rough for first year students in the more competitive fields. The engineering school is amazing, but it isn't exactly nurturing for young students. Exhilarating, yes. But not nurturing. Emory may be better on that score, especially since it has a small satellite campus for first and second year students.

I'd still pick Michigan.

Yes except all the elite circles acknowledge that Emory engineering is superior, the placement into the top engineering firms and places like Google and Apple are better

At this point you have to be trolling, right?

Emory
Engineering
Is
Not
Better
Because
It
Does
Not
Exist

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I love Michigan. I turned down Ivy for Michigan. I think it's way underrated on DCUM and elsewhere, and I mean that for almost all subjects, not just engineering and business.

But I could see how someone might prefer Emory. One problem with Michigan is that it can be very rough for first year students in the more competitive fields. The engineering school is amazing, but it isn't exactly nurturing for young students. Exhilarating, yes. But not nurturing. Emory may be better on that score, especially since it has a small satellite campus for first and second year students.

I'd still pick Michigan.

Yes except all the elite circles acknowledge that Emory engineering is superior, the placement into the top engineering firms and places like Google and Apple are better

At this point you have to be trolling, right?

Emory
Engineering
Is
Not
Better
Because
It
Does
Not
Exist

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Emory has computer science and QTM which have great placement with google and the like. That's probably what they are saying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love Michigan. I turned down Ivy for Michigan. I think it's way underrated on DCUM and elsewhere, and I mean that for almost all subjects, not just engineering and business.

But I could see how someone might prefer Emory. One problem with Michigan is that it can be very rough for first year students in the more competitive fields. The engineering school is amazing, but it isn't exactly nurturing for young students. Exhilarating, yes. But not nurturing. Emory may be better on that score, especially since it has a small satellite campus for first and second year students.

I'd still pick Michigan.

Yes except all the elite circles acknowledge that Emory engineering is superior, the placement into the top engineering firms and places like Google and Apple are better

At this point you have to be trolling, right?

Emory
Engineering
Is
Not
Better
Because
It
Does
Not
Exist

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

Emory has computer science and QTM which have great placement with google and the like. That's probably what they are saying.

Not even in the same stratosphere as UMich

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is one of the best engineering programs in the country - just a notch below the MITs and the Stanfords of the world.

Emory is ranked higher on US NEws

USNews is such useless garbage - people have been so hypnotized by their arbitrary ranking methodology that they're coming up with irrational decision trees like the one being floated by OP. NO ONE specifically in pursuing a specific field of engineering would ever consider Emory for engineering over a top ten engineering school.

Let's not Emory is undoubtedly the better school, doesn't mean UMich won't have better programs or engineering. For everything else Emory is likely better.

What does "better" actually mean? Per USNWR, Emory is 21st overall and 25th in undergraduate teaching; Michigan is 24th overall and 16th in undergraduate teaching.

Better as in, if you had the choice between the two you should go with Emory. Emory is better for ALL humanities, biology, chemistry, and business at the undergraduate level. It is the better school. UMich is overrated while Emory is underrated.

Source? US News has Ross as the #3 UG business school in the country. I don't have the paid subscription so I can't see past the top 10, but Emory is not in it. US News doesn't rank undergrad humanities/biology/chemistry, but for graduate school, almost every single one of UMich's grad programs in the humanities are within the top ten, Emory doesn't have a single one in the top 10 or even top 20. Emory is ranked 33 in biological sciences for grad school, 82 in comp sci, 32 in chemistry, 63 in economics, 55 in math, 71 in physics, etc. The only grad programs of theirs that fall into the top 10 are some of the professional programs (physical therapy, nursing, midwifery, and physician assistant). UMich is 23 for biological sciences, 15 for chemistry, 11 for comp sci, 10 for earth sciences, 12 in Econ, 12 in math, etc.

If there is a different source that you are using to state definitively that Emory is better for "ALL humanities, biology, chemistry, and business at the undergraduate level" I'd love to know what that is.

Grad and undergraduate rankings aren't the same. Grad rankings are mainly based on amount of research produced thus with UMich being gigantic one could only hope. We're discussing teaching, undergraduate prestige and outcomes (salary, placement, etc) by major. I'm sorry your DC couldn't get into any schools better than UMich.

NP. You can compare stats across colleges on US News. Emory's starting salary is $59,200. It is $63,700 for U Michigan. Avg HS GPA of attending students is 3.8 vs 3.9 (U Mich). I don't have kids at either school but I suspect the reason people are applying to Emory is because it' has ED and Mich doesn't. Emory also has more women than men. That could be a reason if the HS your kid is applying from is all-female. None of Emory's rankings are in the top 20 (except Business where they are # 12. Michigan is #3). So it has an less smart student body, who make less on average after graduation on average and it's top ranked program is lower ranked than Michigan's! Tell me again, why is Emory is ranked 21st overall?

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is one of the best engineering programs in the country - just a notch below the MITs and the Stanfords of the world.

Emory is ranked higher on US NEws

USNews is such useless garbage - people have been so hypnotized by their arbitrary ranking methodology that they're coming up with irrational decision trees like the one being floated by OP. NO ONE specifically in pursuing a specific field of engineering would ever consider Emory for engineering over a top ten engineering school.

Let's not Emory is undoubtedly the better school, doesn't mean UMich won't have better programs or engineering. For everything else Emory is likely better.

What does "better" actually mean? Per USNWR, Emory is 21st overall and 25th in undergraduate teaching; Michigan is 24th overall and 16th in undergraduate teaching.

Better as in, if you had the choice between the two you should go with Emory. Emory is better for ALL humanities, biology, chemistry, and business at the undergraduate level. It is the better school. UMich is overrated while Emory is underrated.

Source? US News has Ross as the #3 UG business school in the country. I don't have the paid subscription so I can't see past the top 10, but Emory is not in it. US News doesn't rank undergrad humanities/biology/chemistry, but for graduate school, almost every single one of UMich's grad programs in the humanities are within the top ten, Emory doesn't have a single one in the top 10 or even top 20. Emory is ranked 33 in biological sciences for grad school, 82 in comp sci, 32 in chemistry, 63 in economics, 55 in math, 71 in physics, etc. The only grad programs of theirs that fall into the top 10 are some of the professional programs (physical therapy, nursing, midwifery, and physician assistant). UMich is 23 for biological sciences, 15 for chemistry, 11 for comp sci, 10 for earth sciences, 12 in Econ, 12 in math, etc.

If there is a different source that you are using to state definitively that Emory is better for "ALL humanities, biology, chemistry, and business at the undergraduate level" I'd love to know what that is.

Grad and undergraduate rankings aren't the same. Grad rankings are mainly based on amount of research produced thus with UMich being gigantic one could only hope. We're discussing teaching, undergraduate prestige and outcomes (salary, placement, etc) by major. I'm sorry your DC couldn't get into any schools better than UMich.

NP. You can compare stats across colleges on US News. Emory's starting salary is $59,200. It is $63,700 for U Michigan. Avg HS GPA of attending students is 3.8 vs 3.9 (U Mich). I don't have kids at either school but I suspect the reason people are applying to Emory is because it' has ED and Mich doesn't. Emory also has more women than men. That could be a reason if the HS your kid is applying from is all-female. None of Emory's rankings are in the top 20 (except Business where they are # 12. Michigan is #3). So it has an less smart student body, who make less on average after graduation on average and it's top ranked program is lower ranked than Michigan's! Tell me again, why is Emory is ranked 21st overall?

SO.... Umich has engineering, in fact very good engineering and can only make $4k more than Emory grads on avg? Umich is not hard to get into it is known for only looking at grades and test score, and Emory has higher test scores. You should ask US news why, since they ranked Emory higher for so long. Not sure what ED admissions would have to do with anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I went to Emory in the 2000s and it is not an engineering school.

This

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michigan is a safety school for most students at DCs school.

Name the school. I highly doubt that.

Wootton. The acceptance rate per Bethesda report is 50%

and Emory had a 48% acceptance rate at Wootton what's your point

50% is a safety. Too funny.

[Anonymous]

I’m a recruiter for Mechanical Engineering jobs. Michigan is a school that’s makes me think “this kid went to a good school “. Emory does not have that same recognition

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan is one of the best engineering programs in the country - just a notch below the MITs and the Stanfords of the world.

Emory is ranked higher on US NEws

USNews is such useless garbage - people have been so hypnotized by their arbitrary ranking methodology that they're coming up with irrational decision trees like the one being floated by OP. NO ONE specifically in pursuing a specific field of engineering would ever consider Emory for engineering over a top ten engineering school.

Let's not Emory is undoubtedly the better school, doesn't mean UMich won't have better programs or engineering. For everything else Emory is likely better.

What does "better" actually mean? Per USNWR, Emory is 21st overall and 25th in undergraduate teaching; Michigan is 24th overall and 16th in undergraduate teaching.

Better as in, if you had the choice between the two you should go with Emory. Emory is better for ALL humanities, biology, chemistry, and business at the undergraduate level. It is the better school. UMich is overrated while Emory is underrated.

Source? US News has Ross as the #3 UG business school in the country. I don't have the paid subscription so I can't see past the top 10, but Emory is not in it. US News doesn't rank undergrad humanities/biology/chemistry, but for graduate school, almost every single one of UMich's grad programs in the humanities are within the top ten, Emory doesn't have a single one in the top 10 or even top 20. Emory is ranked 33 in biological sciences for grad school, 82 in comp sci, 32 in chemistry, 63 in economics, 55 in math, 71 in physics, etc. The only grad programs of theirs that fall into the top 10 are some of the professional programs (physical therapy, nursing, midwifery, and physician assistant). UMich is 23 for biological sciences, 15 for chemistry, 11 for comp sci, 10 for earth sciences, 12 in Econ, 12 in math, etc.

If there is a different source that you are using to state definitively that Emory is better for "ALL humanities, biology, chemistry, and business at the undergraduate level" I'd love to know what that is.

Grad and undergraduate rankings aren't the same. Grad rankings are mainly based on amount of research produced thus with UMich being gigantic one could only hope. We're discussing teaching, undergraduate prestige and outcomes (salary, placement, etc) by major. I'm sorry your DC couldn't get into any schools better than UMich.

NP. You can compare stats across colleges on US News. Emory's starting salary is $59,200. It is $63,700 for U Michigan. Avg HS GPA of attending students is 3.8 vs 3.9 (U Mich). I don't have kids at either school but I suspect the reason people are applying to Emory is because it' has ED and Mich doesn't. Emory also has more women than men. That could be a reason if the HS your kid is applying from is all-female. None of Emory's rankings are in the top 20 (except Business where they are # 12. Michigan is #3). So it has an less smart student body, who make less on average after graduation on average and it's top ranked program is lower ranked than Michigan's! Tell me again, why is Emory is ranked 21st overall?

SO.... Umich has engineering, in fact very good engineering and can only make $4k more than Emory grads on avg? Umich is not hard to get into it is known for only looking at grades and test score, and Emory has higher test scores. You should ask US news why, since they ranked Emory higher for so long. Not sure what ED admissions would have to do with anything.

ED admit rates for Emory are way higher than normal admit rates for Mich. That's why. The point still remains that you are clamoring to get admitted to a school that is ranked low on pretty much ALL metrics AND get paid less at the end of the cycle. Why? Also remember that the salary I quoted is average. If you were to focus on Engineering or CS, it is waaay higher.. CS average is about 100K.

If you kid needs a lot of hand-holding, too scared of crowds, and wants to be where their "kind" will be, by all means go to Emory. That's OK. Don't justify that by arguing that it's a better school when their whole thread has clearly proved (with numbers) that it is not.

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Michigan for sure

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a recruiter for Mechanical Engineering jobs. Michigan is a school that’s makes me think “this kid went to a good school “. Emory does not have that same recognition

Yup. DD used to work for an engineering department. I told him about this thread and he laughed SO hard. “Anyone who thinks Emory’s engineering department holds a candle to Michigan’s is on some serious drugs.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a recruiter for Mechanical Engineering jobs. Michigan is a school that’s makes me think “this kid went to a good school “. Emory does not have that same recognition

Yup. DD used to work for an engineering department. I told him about this thread and he laughed SO hard. “Anyone who thinks Emory’s engineering department holds a candle to Michigan’s is on some serious drugs.”

Two morons discussing a non-existent engineering department. Hilarious.

[Anonymous]

How is this thread 5 pages?? Good grief, no competition for engineering on these 2 schools - UM by far.

If you want a smaller school for engineering, tons of options, MIT, GT, Stanford, CMU, Rice, Cornell, WPI, Cal Poly, Rose, Olin, etc.