MAP Score - 5th Grade

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Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

OP, I just looked up my kids 5th grade fall MAP scores. He got 242 for math and 235 for reading. He got in to TPMS later that year and waitlisted at Eastern (did not get off the waitlist). Also got 99 percent all around on CoGat. I don’t think you are out of the running for Eastern.

Wow. My child - female, if that matters - got 249 for math and 241 for reading (with 99% on two CoGats and 92% on the NV. all As and high PARCCs) - got into Eastern and not even waitlisted at TPMS. FWIW, the only child from our former ES who did get into Takoma had some astronomical MAP-M.
IMHO, there's a lot of arbitrary picking and choosing involved in magnet selection, and a lot of balancing, too. I do believe they try to take a couple of kids from each school.

The 92 percent wasn’t high enough. Cogat scores are key here it seems. My kid got 99 on all of them.

Also, are you looking at call or winter scores? I shared fall scores. Huge leaps in winter on both. I wonder how much they factor in the kids written responses?

Last year it was only fall because decisions were being made or complete by the time winter maps were done.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

Its both age and grade normed. The results we had got both. For age my kid was in the 99% but grade it was mid 90's. We were told they look at grade as the issue is the child in the grade vs. age. Ideally they look at age.

Presumably you have an older kid? This is correct -we got scores for both age and grade. My Sept birthday kid who turned 11 after sixth grade started is probably one of the youngest sixth graders. His composite was 99th for both age and grade but he scored higher on age (99th percentile on V Q and NV — for grade he was 98 in some). He got in to both magnets btw. They use the age scores to determine there MCPS percentile.

No, I have a September kid, so the youngest.

Sorry I misread! They do look at age. On the letter we got with acceptance to TPMS it compared the age normed national (not grade) scores with local percentile. We got the age vs grade scores in a print out a few days earlier via the portal.

Interesting as based off that my child should have gotten in or at least waitlisted. Age normed my child was in the 99%, 5's on PARCC, all A's and high MAP. It makes no sense who they take or not. Either way mine didn't want to go and is at a school that is a better fit so its a non-issue and why we didn't appeal. But, it would have been nice to at least be waitlisted.

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Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

My kid got 210 on reading and 214 on math so your kid seems to be doing great to me!

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Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

OP, I just looked up my kids 5th grade fall MAP scores. He got 242 for math and 235 for reading. He got in to TPMS later that year and waitlisted at Eastern (did not get off the waitlist). Also got 99 percent all around on CoGat. I don’t think you are out of the running for Eastern.

Wow. My child - female, if that matters - got 249 for math and 241 for reading (with 99% on two CoGats and 92% on the NV. all As and high PARCCs) - got into Eastern and not even waitlisted at TPMS. FWIW, the only child from our former ES who did get into Takoma had some astronomical MAP-M.
IMHO, there's a lot of arbitrary picking and choosing involved in magnet selection, and a lot of balancing, too. I do believe they try to take a couple of kids from each school.

The 92 percent wasn’t high enough. Cogat scores are key here it seems. My kid got 99 on all of them.

Also, are you looking at call or winter scores? I shared fall scores. Huge leaps in winter on both. I wonder how much they factor in the kids written responses?

I suspect they are only looking at fall, maybe winter scores. Its impossible to guess as my child's math was mid 250's so higher than that poster's child.

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Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

My kid got 210 on reading and 214 on math so your kid seems to be doing great to me!

Your child is also doing fantastic and that's where they should be. MAP in elementary are easier to get higher scores if you work ahead, especially in math. We always supplemented math so I suspect that's why ours has the higher score. If we didn't supplement I suspect it would be lower.

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Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

My kid got 210 on reading and 214 on math so your kid seems to be doing great to me!

Your child is also doing fantastic and that's where they should be. MAP in elementary are easier to get higher scores if you work ahead, especially in math. We always supplemented math so I suspect that's why ours has the higher score. If we didn't supplement I suspect it would be lower.

Thank you for this. I was feeling a bit inadequate after reading this thread. Your post helped!

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Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

My kid got 210 on reading and 214 on math so your kid seems to be doing great to me!

Your child is also doing fantastic and that's where they should be. MAP in elementary are easier to get higher scores if you work ahead, especially in math. We always supplemented math so I suspect that's why ours has the higher score. If we didn't supplement I suspect it would be lower.

Thank you for this. I was feeling a bit inadequate after reading this thread. Your post helped!

Our kids who are doing as well as we are posting are NOT the norm. Either really good genetics/IQ, supplementing or really good school or all. Your child is exactly on target and I'd be thrilled with those scores just as I am with mine higher. They are doing great. The important thing is they are on target grade level. Anything above middle of the pack is fantastic. Anything in the bottom 1/3 I'd be worried and supplement/get a tutor if you can.

We've always done workbooks till recently. We didn't like all the work arounds taught in MCPS and wanted traditional math as it worked better for our child as well as math facts (not necessarily for increased test scores or Magnet programs). I think that's the reason for the higher score. Our MCPS elementary offered nothing outside compacted math in 4/5 but other schools do which may also account for the higher scores as well. Its basically working a bit ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

You know all scores of all the kids in the CES? Your child wasn't in the CES but somehow your child magically knows this?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

You need to calm down. No one is insulting your child. This is the reality of the MCPS system. No one has any idea if your child scored higher or not, unless they work at MCPS. I don't know how you could possibly claim to know this information.

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To reiterate, they are not penalizing kids at the CES.

But in order to have diverse representation MCPS decided that they wanted every elementary to have at least one child (but usually 2-3) admitted.

I don't know if it was the right decision or not. They may not have thought about the downstream consequences of CES kids with high scores getting rejected or maybe they did but felt they could live with that because they wanted a more diverse student body and felt this was the right approach.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

You need to calm down. No one is insulting your child. This is the reality of the MCPS system. No one has any idea if your child scored higher or not, unless they work at MCPS. I don't know how you could possibly claim to know this information.

MAP scores are posted on the screen so other kids can see it and kids talk. Parents talk too. There is nothing that special of CES but your kid is with all smart kids and very segregated.

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Anonymous wrote:To reiterate, they are not penalizing kids at the CES.

But in order to have diverse representation MCPS decided that they wanted every elementary to have at least one child (but usually 2-3) admitted.

I don't know if it was the right decision or not. They may not have thought about the downstream consequences of CES kids with high scores getting rejected or maybe they did but felt they could live with that because they wanted a more diverse student body and felt this was the right approach.

And, that would be reasonable if all kids got differentiation/support at their local schools. I'd prefer to stay local. But, our school offered nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

You need to calm down. No one is insulting your child. This is the reality of the MCPS system. No one has any idea if your child scored higher or not, unless they work at MCPS. I don't know how you could possibly claim to know this information.

MAP scores are posted on the screen so other kids can see it and kids talk. Parents talk too. There is nothing that special of CES but your kid is with all smart kids and very segregated.

If your child was at a CES I would not be so skeptical that your child knows the range of MAP scores of the other kids at the CES. But your child was not at a CES, has not been testing in the same room as the CES kids. Second, I know some kids shared their Cogat scores with each other but it is really just a handful and who knows if those scores are accurate.

I do think the 3rd grade test might miss some very bright kids. Wasn't it just a screener rather than a full Cogat? So it's certainly possible a kid at a regional CES school but not in the program might score higher than other CES kids. It's also possible a kid might have had a bad day in 3rd grade and then did better in 5th for testing or that she or he began to blossom later. Who knows.

What is absurd is your absolute insistence that your child definitely scored higher than all the other kids in the CES to gain admission. Scored higher on what test? Why don't you post your child's scores and people here can weigh in? Other PPs are being very open about their child's scores and comparing. Let's compare yours.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

You need to calm down. No one is insulting your child. This is the reality of the MCPS system. No one has any idea if your child scored higher or not, unless they work at MCPS. I don't know how you could possibly claim to know this information.

MAP scores are posted on the screen so other kids can see it and kids talk. Parents talk too. There is nothing that special of CES but your kid is with all smart kids and very segregated.

If your child was at a CES I would not be so skeptical that your child knows the range of MAP scores of the other kids at the CES. But your child was not at a CES, has not been testing in the same room as the CES kids. Second, I know some kids shared their Cogat scores with each other but it is really just a handful and who knows if those scores are accurate.

I do think the 3rd grade test might miss some very bright kids. Wasn't it just a screener rather than a full Cogat? So it's certainly possible a kid at a regional CES school but not in the program might score higher than other CES kids. It's also possible a kid might have had a bad day in 3rd grade and then did better in 5th for testing or that she or he began to blossom later. Who knows.

What is absurd is your absolute insistence that your child definitely scored higher than all the other kids in the CES to gain admission. Scored higher on what test? Why don't you post your child's scores and people here can weigh in? Other PPs are being very open about their child's scores and comparing. Let's compare yours.

I never said mine was higher but mine was high enough where they should have at least been waitlisted. I did post a good chunk of mine. Mid 250's for Math, 5's on PARCC and 99% for cognat for age but not grade. All A's.

The discussion is more about middle school. Let me guess, yours had lower stat's and got in so you are upset some of our kids are bright and should have got in (and I wouldn't have sent mine but that's not the point).

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Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

I think you are the one who is confused. They use the home middle school to compare so they would have been ranked on the same "list." The things that are different are gender and the fact they wanted to take kids from every elementary. She must have been one of the top scorers in her elementary. The admits from our home school were kids who just missed CES admission (wait listed) or turned down the CES (but admitted) for 4th/5th.

Look, lady, tell me how two kids would fare with the same scores at the same school where one is in the CES program and the other is not. That’s the only way to compare to see if the CES makes a difference. My own kid was not in the CES and he scored higher than other kids who were AT THE SAME SCHOOL as him and WERE IN THE CES. He got in because his scores were higher not because he wasn’t in the CES.

You know all scores of all the kids in the CES? Your child wasn't in the CES but somehow your child magically knows this?

My kid took 5/6 math with most of the CES kids. He and another kid were the strongest in math by a lot. True outliers. They both got in. No one else did. It worked like it was meant to. The other kid was in the CES. All the other CES kids didn’t get in.