MAP Score - 5th Grade

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely no harm in applying for the MS Magnets with those scores. The test they will take for that (CogAT) is going to be more heavily weighted. The MAP scores aren't too different from what my children scored in 5th grade and they both were accepted to Eastern.

With this year being so weird, comparisons to old scores are likely to be not as predictive anyway. No harm in trying for it and then moving on from there.

I told my kids, "If you get in, great! If you don't, we'll make sure you have more extracurriculars to keep you busy/challenged."

I will say that my older kid had friends who didn't get into any of the MS Magnets that then got into exciting HS Magnets.

You don't apply anymore. My kid had much higher scores and was waitlisted Eastern and turned down for Takoma.

By apply I meant take the CogAt. It is, in fact, because there is no application anymore that there is no harm in trying and and seeing how you do.

I don't know how this child did on previous MAPs but the scores are not out of range for Eastern. It all depends on how everyone did this year, and this year everything is weird. More than anything I wanted the OP not to take the comments that are saying their child has no chance too much to heart. No one KNOWS.

Don't tell your child that they must get in, or that they ought to get in. And for goodness sake, don't tell your child they can't get in. Just let the child try the test and move on from there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

^scores, not schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

Op, is your child at a Title 1 school? A lot depends on the 'cohort' of classmates. In a low-performing school that Map R might be sufficient for Eastern. Takoma seems to be highly unlikely.
A lot would have depended on Cogat acores under normal circumstances but this year, who knows if they are administering it at all.
So, if I were to bet, i would say your child will not get into Eastern but might be waitlisted there. Just my 2 cents.

[Anonymous]

Pp here. Sorry, op, I just noticed your child goes to a W-feeder, not a Title 1. My prediction still stands.😎

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

Op, is your child at a Title 1 school? A lot depends on the 'cohort' of classmates. In a low-performing school that Map R might be sufficient for Eastern. Takoma seems to be highly unlikely.
A lot would have depended on Cogat acores under normal circumstances but this year, who knows if they are administering it at all.
So, if I were to bet, i would say your child will not get into Eastern but might be waitlisted there. Just my 2 cents.

We were at a Focus and didn't get in with higher scores. Smart kid but probably will not qualify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely no harm in applying for the MS Magnets with those scores. The test they will take for that (CogAT) is going to be more heavily weighted. The MAP scores aren't too different from what my children scored in 5th grade and they both were accepted to Eastern.

With this year being so weird, comparisons to old scores are likely to be not as predictive anyway. No harm in trying for it and then moving on from there.

I told my kids, "If you get in, great! If you don't, we'll make sure you have more extracurriculars to keep you busy/challenged."

I will say that my older kid had friends who didn't get into any of the MS Magnets that then got into exciting HS Magnets.

You don't apply anymore. My kid had much higher scores and was waitlisted Eastern and turned down for Takoma.

By apply I meant take the CogAt. It is, in fact, because there is no application anymore that there is no harm in trying and and seeing how you do.

I don't know how this child did on previous MAPs but the scores are not out of range for Eastern. It all depends on how everyone did this year, and this year everything is weird. More than anything I wanted the OP not to take the comments that are saying their child has no chance too much to heart. No one KNOWS.

Don't tell your child that they must get in, or that they ought to get in. And for goodness sake, don't tell your child they can't get in. Just let the child try the test and move on from there.

Its absolutely worth doing but be prepared for a no. Again, we had higher scores, 5's on PARCC and good CogAT and still denied. No one knows what it takes to get in but I know kids with lower scores who got in and mine didn't. However, for middle, you can get accelerated math (Algebra) at some of the regular middle schools so it really depends on what your child wants/needs for the best fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

The difference was the test scores and grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Sorry, op, I just noticed your child goes to a W-feeder, not a Title 1. My prediction still stands.😎

That is right. PP is in a W-feeder and MCPS WILL claim that your DC will have a cohort in your home middle school. Therefore, no magnet MS for your DC.

Also, MCPS will also mentioned that, in your DC's future magnet rejection letter, there will be 2 special classes (AIM and HIGH) and all the high-achieving cohorts like your kids that have been gated out of the MS magnet due to the cohort criteria will be grouped for these 2 special classes (See, this makes you feel better, right?)

Fast forward six months after that, you will find out there is no special cohort in your home MS for these two classes. The MS removed IM and put everyone in AIM. Also, the reality will be AIM is basically IM with maybe at most 1 or 2 special assignments and remotely far from the magnet-level math class.

(do I dream these things up or were these scenarios actually happened n W-feeder MS?)

Dream on!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is so true because the W feeders are segregated and have more affluent students and fewer low-performers taking up 90% of the teachers time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

Yes, unlikely I'm sorry. My kid had high 240s MAP-R and low 260s MAP-M 99% on COGAT fall scores and not admitted to either magnet due to the cohort rationale. If you're at a W feeder that's pretty much it, and your DC will already be compared with a number of 99% scorers across the board (most of whom will not get in).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

Yes, scores are higher overall at W feeders because there are fewer low-performers and behavioral issues associated with lower SES so there are advantages baked in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

This is absolutely true. We know of twins. One (female) at their local school and one (male) at a CES. The one at the CES had higher schools on all tests, grades, etc and did not get in while the one at the local school did. Both would have gone to the same middle school.

You don’t seem to understand. If the twins were at the SAME school and one was in the CES and the other was not you’d be able to compare. But it sounds like they were at different schools with different feeder patterns and different demographics. So you are wrong.

The difference was the test scores and grades.

Although I'm not positive, I have heard they try to balance gender so that may be the real difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here - My kid got it at the end of her test and just showed me.

We are in a W feeder school so I'm guessing it's going to be unlikely that my kid gets into a magnet MS.

If you're not at a CES even if you're at a W-feeder school, that increases your chance vastly.

This is not true. I think what you are trying to claim is that if you are not at a school that houses a CES.

OP,
Last year, for the current 6th grade, MCPS did a lot of "balancing" in their admissions. MCPS tried to make sure every elementary was represented so they took at least the top 2-3 in each school even if they were not outliers. Keep in mind this is the first class that went through universal screening in 3rd for the CESes so the score distributions were different than for previous classes.

If they use the same criteria as last year and if your child is not at a CES (assuming your child is not because of how the post was written) I think your child has a shot at Eastern but not Takoma with those scores but probably depends on your home MS. Pyle is much harder than some of the others due to peer cohort according to MCPS data. Pyle had something like 10 times the number of "highly able" students as some other W middle schools and a couple times more than even Cabin John and Hoover which was a surprise.

A lot will depend on the Cogat because if you are at a W elementary many kids will have MAP scores in that range.

MCPS seems to change the criteria every year so who knows what will happen next year though.