MAP Score - 5th Grade

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Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

Its both age and grade normed. The results we had got both. For age my kid was in the 99% but grade it was mid 90's. We were told they look at grade as the issue is the child in the grade vs. age. Ideally they look at age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

No - CogAT being age normed is fair to both younger and older kids by comparing them to others born in the same year and month.

Yes, it is more fair, but younger kids in the same grade benefit from age-norming since their percentiles are effectively boosted. In other words, if a younger child and older child in the same grade get the same score, the younger child "wins." They are initially compared to their same-age peers but ultimately compared within the grade for CES admission and high performance by younger scorers is considered.

They are both age and grade normed. Our form had both. Really the younger kid wins but they are looking at grade not age. My child is 12-18 months younger due to redshirting so technically smarter but that's not what they are looking for. The older kids in our school got in, not younger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

Its both age and grade normed. The results we had got both. For age my kid was in the 99% but grade it was mid 90's. We were told they look at grade as the issue is the child in the grade vs. age. Ideally they look at age.

Presumably you have an older kid? This is correct -we got scores for both age and grade. My Sept birthday kid who turned 11 after sixth grade started is probably one of the youngest sixth graders. His composite was 99th for both age and grade but he scored higher on age (99th percentile on V Q and NV — for grade he was 98 in some). He got in to both magnets btw. They use the age scores to determine there MCPS percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

OP, I just looked up my kids 5th grade fall MAP scores. He got 242 for math and 235 for reading. He got in to TPMS later that year and waitlisted at Eastern (did not get off the waitlist). Also got 99 percent all around on CoGat. I don’t think you are out of the running for Eastern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

OP, I just looked up my kids 5th grade fall MAP scores. He got 242 for math and 235 for reading. He got in to TPMS later that year and waitlisted at Eastern (did not get off the waitlist). Also got 99 percent all around on CoGat. I don’t think you are out of the running for Eastern.

Mine had mid 250's for Math and not even waitlisted for TPMS. 5's on Parcc. All A's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

Its both age and grade normed. The results we had got both. For age my kid was in the 99% but grade it was mid 90's. We were told they look at grade as the issue is the child in the grade vs. age. Ideally they look at age.

Presumably you have an older kid? This is correct -we got scores for both age and grade. My Sept birthday kid who turned 11 after sixth grade started is probably one of the youngest sixth graders. His composite was 99th for both age and grade but he scored higher on age (99th percentile on V Q and NV — for grade he was 98 in some). He got in to both magnets btw. They use the age scores to determine there MCPS percentile.

No, I have a September kid, so the youngest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

No - CogAT being age normed is fair to both younger and older kids by comparing them to others born in the same year and month.

Yes, it is more fair, but younger kids in the same grade benefit from age-norming since their percentiles are effectively boosted. In other words, if a younger child and older child in the same grade get the same score, the younger child "wins." They are initially compared to their same-age peers but ultimately compared within the grade for CES admission and high performance by younger scorers is considered.

They are both age and grade normed. Our form had both. Really the younger kid wins but they are looking at grade not age. My child is 12-18 months younger due to redshirting so technically smarter but that's not what they are looking for. The older kids in our school got in, not younger.

Their percentiles aren't boosted. All it is comparing apples and apples. A kid born in March of 2010 is compared with others born in March of 2010 to determine their percentile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

No - CogAT being age normed is fair to both younger and older kids by comparing them to others born in the same year and month.

Yes, it is more fair, but younger kids in the same grade benefit from age-norming since their percentiles are effectively boosted. In other words, if a younger child and older child in the same grade get the same score, the younger child "wins." They are initially compared to their same-age peers but ultimately compared within the grade for CES admission and high performance by younger scorers is considered.

They are both age and grade normed. Our form had both. Really the younger kid wins but they are looking at grade not age. My child is 12-18 months younger due to redshirting so technically smarter but that's not what they are looking for. The older kids in our school got in, not younger.

Their percentiles aren't boosted. All it is comparing apples and apples. A kid born in March of 2010 is compared with others born in March of 2010 to determine their percentile.

You get two scores, not one. You get one score by age and one by grade. So, one score is kids born March of 2010 and one score is for all kids in 5th grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

No - CogAT being age normed is fair to both younger and older kids by comparing them to others born in the same year and month.

Yes, it is more fair, but younger kids in the same grade benefit from age-norming since their percentiles are effectively boosted. In other words, if a younger child and older child in the same grade get the same score, the younger child "wins." They are initially compared to their same-age peers but ultimately compared within the grade for CES admission and high performance by younger scorers is considered.

They are both age and grade normed. Our form had both. Really the younger kid wins but they are looking at grade not age. My child is 12-18 months younger due to redshirting so technically smarter but that's not what they are looking for. The older kids in our school got in, not younger.

Their percentiles aren't boosted. All it is comparing apples and apples. A kid born in March of 2010 is compared with others born in March of 2010 to determine their percentile.

You get two scores, not one. You get one score by age and one by grade. So, one score is kids born March of 2010 and one score is for all kids in 5th grade.

Well, when my kid took it for CES, I got two scores one was 98% MCPS the other was 99% national. Neither mentioned their grade or age.

[Anonymous]

How soon after the MAP would a teacher be able to provide the stride scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

OP, I just looked up my kids 5th grade fall MAP scores. He got 242 for math and 235 for reading. He got in to TPMS later that year and waitlisted at Eastern (did not get off the waitlist). Also got 99 percent all around on CoGat. I don’t think you are out of the running for Eastern.

Wow. My child - female, if that matters - got 249 for math and 241 for reading (with 99% on two CoGats and 92% on the NV. all As and high PARCCs) - got into Eastern and not even waitlisted at TPMS. FWIW, the only child from our former ES who did get into Takoma had some astronomical MAP-M.
IMHO, there's a lot of arbitrary picking and choosing involved in magnet selection, and a lot of balancing, too. I do believe they try to take a couple of kids from each school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

Its both age and grade normed. The results we had got both. For age my kid was in the 99% but grade it was mid 90's. We were told they look at grade as the issue is the child in the grade vs. age. Ideally they look at age.

Presumably you have an older kid? This is correct -we got scores for both age and grade. My Sept birthday kid who turned 11 after sixth grade started is probably one of the youngest sixth graders. His composite was 99th for both age and grade but he scored higher on age (99th percentile on V Q and NV — for grade he was 98 in some). He got in to both magnets btw. They use the age scores to determine there MCPS percentile.

No, I have a September kid, so the youngest.

Sorry I misread! They do look at age. On the letter we got with acceptance to TPMS it compared the age normed national (not grade) scores with local percentile. We got the age vs grade scores in a print out a few days earlier via the portal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, Your child should basically have all As and 99th percentile on Cogat composite. I don't know how deeply they look at the subscores.

99% for grade, not age. This is how the "redshirting" hurts the younger kids.

No it's the opposite. Cogat is age-normed, so being younger is a plus. It's the older redshirted kids who are penalized.

No - CogAT being age normed is fair to both younger and older kids by comparing them to others born in the same year and month.

Yes, it is more fair, but younger kids in the same grade benefit from age-norming since their percentiles are effectively boosted. In other words, if a younger child and older child in the same grade get the same score, the younger child "wins." They are initially compared to their same-age peers but ultimately compared within the grade for CES admission and high performance by younger scorers is considered.

They are both age and grade normed. Our form had both. Really the younger kid wins but they are looking at grade not age. My child is 12-18 months younger due to redshirting so technically smarter but that's not what they are looking for. The older kids in our school got in, not younger.

Their percentiles aren't boosted. All it is comparing apples and apples. A kid born in March of 2010 is compared with others born in March of 2010 to determine their percentile.

You get two scores, not one. You get one score by age and one by grade. So, one score is kids born March of 2010 and one score is for all kids in 5th grade.

And the age score is the score that appears on your acceptance letter along with the MCPS score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

OP, I just looked up my kids 5th grade fall MAP scores. He got 242 for math and 235 for reading. He got in to TPMS later that year and waitlisted at Eastern (did not get off the waitlist). Also got 99 percent all around on CoGat. I don’t think you are out of the running for Eastern.

Wow. My child - female, if that matters - got 249 for math and 241 for reading (with 99% on two CoGats and 92% on the NV. all As and high PARCCs) - got into Eastern and not even waitlisted at TPMS. FWIW, the only child from our former ES who did get into Takoma had some astronomical MAP-M.
IMHO, there's a lot of arbitrary picking and choosing involved in magnet selection, and a lot of balancing, too. I do believe they try to take a couple of kids from each school.

The 92 percent wasn’t high enough. Cogat scores are key here it seems. My kid got 99 on all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lay it on me DCUM, fairly new to the area and my kid scored a 239 on reading and 231 on math just now for MAP. No prep/extra outside of school tutoring and generally above average student but nothing too spectacular.

How are those scores? Are we out of the running for magnet MS (not that interested but curious)? Is my kid doomed for failure? Give me those spicy comments

OP, I just looked up my kids 5th grade fall MAP scores. He got 242 for math and 235 for reading. He got in to TPMS later that year and waitlisted at Eastern (did not get off the waitlist). Also got 99 percent all around on CoGat. I don’t think you are out of the running for Eastern.

Wow. My child - female, if that matters - got 249 for math and 241 for reading (with 99% on two CoGats and 92% on the NV. all As and high PARCCs) - got into Eastern and not even waitlisted at TPMS. FWIW, the only child from our former ES who did get into Takoma had some astronomical MAP-M.
IMHO, there's a lot of arbitrary picking and choosing involved in magnet selection, and a lot of balancing, too. I do believe they try to take a couple of kids from each school.

The 92 percent wasn’t high enough. Cogat scores are key here it seems. My kid got 99 on all of them.

Also, are you looking at call or winter scores? I shared fall scores. Huge leaps in winter on both. I wonder how much they factor in the kids written responses?