What is the birth order of your special needs kid?

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Anonymous wrote:1st child. Autism. They tend to be firstborns because the firstborn child gets 2/3 of the mother's toxic burden

There are conflicting studies on this, as a quick search will show. No one here can add additional information to that.

If this was even remotely true, 80% of the world's special needs kids would be coming out of China over the past 10 years given the insane pollutants they are breathing in every single day. But we can obviously see it's not true.

We don't know anything about the rate of special needs in China.

Diagnosis and where someone lives correlated to whether someone is diagnosed. My child would not be considered SN in a lot of countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2nd kid. Lead poisoning caused it.

How is this possible? It’s not the 1970s anymore. People know this stuff.

I'm the PP. You would be shocked how common it is. I'm on a group of lead poisoned kids moms. Its tragic really.any apt or house built before 1980 is at risk. Lead is in lots of toys. In our case, apartment had chipped lead paint that landlord reassured us wasn't lead.

It happens to rich kids and poor kids. Do some research

This is fascinating to me. My daughter was adopted as a toddler from an orphanage in a foreign country and she had high levels of lead when she came home but she is a typical child and has no special needs (unlike my bio child). I guess it doesn’t always significantly effect child?

That's true no matter what the toxin. Your child may be less sensitive than others. And even if the blood test was high, the exposure might have been brief so there wasn't enough time to do significant damage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2nd kid. Lead poisoning caused it.

How is this possible? It’s not the 1970s anymore. People know this stuff.

I'm the PP. You would be shocked how common it is. I'm on a group of lead poisoned kids moms. Its tragic really.any apt or house built before 1980 is at risk. Lead is in lots of toys. In our case, apartment had chipped lead paint that landlord reassured us wasn't lead.

It happens to rich kids and poor kids. Do some research

This is fascinating to me. My daughter was adopted as a toddler from an orphanage in a foreign country and she had high levels of lead when she came home but she is a typical child and has no special needs (unlike my bio child). I guess it doesn’t always significantly effect child?

My oldest was also exposed to lead but for some reason it didn't effect him. I believe there's a genetic and environmental component. My 2nd was strongly affected and has a lot of similarities with other lead poisoned kids at similar lead levels.

Some kids process it better

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, It is most common in the first born because they acquire 2/3 of mom’s toxin burden in utero. Due to high metabolic rate of the fetus and demand for calcium, Mom goes through temporary state of osteoporosis while pregnant. This allows the release of a lifetimes worth of toxins, most commonly lead that is stored in bone. But this is just part of the picture. Nearly all kids with autism have a gene variant called MTHFR that is involved in many important processes, not the least of which is detoxification. Folate acts through this pathway and many believe the use of synthetic folate found in most drug store prenatal vitamins is implicated in the development of autism. The reason is that Pp with MTHFR variants cannot properly utilize synthetic folate. It actually blocks real, dietary folate from the receptor and prevent real folate from getting into our cells. As a result, kids with autism are completely unable to detox and they hold on to toxins passed on by mom. Good news is that activated forms of folate, including the prescription form called leukovorin, can help many of our kids. Many success stories there. You can ask your doctor to test for MTHFR status, but if your child was born with a “stork bite” or “sugar bug” at birth, you can be pretty confident what you’re dealing with. I write none of this with the intention of making moms feel guilty or depressed. I hope it empowers some one to learn more and to help their child to live a healthier life

Are you saying a stork bite is an indication of SNs? Has this been scientifically confirmed? Do all races get stork bites?

Ignore that PP. Almost none of it is true.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2nd kid. Lead poisoning caused it.

How is this possible? It’s not the 1970s anymore. People know this stuff.

I'm the PP. You would be shocked how common it is. I'm on a group of lead poisoned kids moms. Its tragic really.any apt or house built before 1980 is at risk. Lead is in lots of toys. In our case, apartment had chipped lead paint that landlord reassured us wasn't lead.

It happens to rich kids and poor kids. Do some research

This is fascinating to me. My daughter was adopted as a toddler from an orphanage in a foreign country and she had high levels of lead when she came home but she is a typical child and has no special needs (unlike my bio child). I guess it doesn’t always significantly effect child?

That's true no matter what the toxin. Your child may be less sensitive than others. And even if the blood test was high, the exposure might have been brief so there wasn't enough time to do significant damage.

Toxicity is more likely to affect a child who is exposed at a younger age. Also, genetics is an important factor. One gene that gets a lot of attention is called MTHFR. It is a common gene variant that is implicated in detoxification. Studies have shown that 98% of kids on the spectrum have it. As a result, their bodies hold onto toxins and don’t excrete them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2nd kid. Lead poisoning caused it.

How is this possible? It’s not the 1970s anymore. People know this stuff.

I'm the PP. You would be shocked how common it is. I'm on a group of lead poisoned kids moms. Its tragic really.any apt or house built before 1980 is at risk. Lead is in lots of toys. In our case, apartment had chipped lead paint that landlord reassured us wasn't lead.

It happens to rich kids and poor kids. Do some research

That sucks. I’m sorry

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2nd kid. Lead poisoning caused it.

How is this possible? It’s not the 1970s anymore. People know this stuff.

I'm the PP. You would be shocked how common it is. I'm on a group of lead poisoned kids moms. Its tragic really.any apt or house built before 1980 is at risk. Lead is in lots of toys. In our case, apartment had chipped lead paint that landlord reassured us wasn't lead.

It happens to rich kids and poor kids. Do some research

This is fascinating to me. My daughter was adopted as a toddler from an orphanage in a foreign country and she had high levels of lead when she came home but she is a typical child and has no special needs (unlike my bio child). I guess it doesn’t always significantly effect child?

That's true no matter what the toxin. Your child may be less sensitive than others. And even if the blood test was high, the exposure might have been brief so there wasn't enough time to do significant damage.

Toxicity is more likely to affect a child who is exposed at a younger age. Also, genetics is an important factor. One gene that gets a lot of attention is called MTHFR. It is a common gene variant that is implicated in detoxification. Studies have shown that 98% of kids on the spectrum have it. As a result, their bodies hold onto toxins and don’t excrete them.

I have seen this quote online but I could find not such a study. Actual studies show that autistic people have a higher rate of variation in MTHFR, but not that much higher than the general.population. If they ever did find a gene that 98% of autistic people have, it would be hailed worldwide as a gigantic breakthrough, turned into a diagnostic test and Big Pharma would pour millions of research dollars into finding drugs for that affect MTHFR.

My kid did get tested for MTHFR. The testing company did not market it as an autism test nor did the three doctors I showed the test to say that. Do you think the testing company would want doctors to know about the value of their own test, if it were true?

Also MTHFR is not involved in excretion or toxin removal. All it does is methylate folic acid so it can be converted to something else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, It is most common in the first born because they acquire 2/3 of mom’s toxin burden in utero. Due to high metabolic rate of the fetus and demand for calcium, Mom goes through temporary state of osteoporosis while pregnant. This allows the release of a lifetimes worth of toxins, most commonly lead that is stored in bone. But this is just part of the picture. Nearly all kids with autism have a gene variant called MTHFR that is involved in many important processes, not the least of which is detoxification. Folate acts through this pathway and many believe the use of synthetic folate found in most drug store prenatal vitamins is implicated in the development of autism. The reason is that Pp with MTHFR variants cannot properly utilize synthetic folate. It actually blocks real, dietary folate from the receptor and prevent real folate from getting into our cells. As a result, kids with autism are completely unable to detox and they hold on to toxins passed on by mom. Good news is that activated forms of folate, including the prescription form called leukovorin, can help many of our kids. Many success stories there. You can ask your doctor to test for MTHFR status, but if your child was born with a “stork bite” or “sugar bug” at birth, you can be pretty confident what you’re dealing with. I write none of this with the intention of making moms feel guilty or depressed. I hope it empowers some one to learn more and to help their child to live a healthier life

Can you say more about this? I am pregnant now, what can I do?

If I could do it again, I would see a really good nutritionist that focuses on pre-conception. You should clean up your environment (eg avoid teflon pans, cooking in plastics, and non-organic foods, make-up with toxic ingredients (gets absorbed through skin), no dental work (esp no amalgam/mercury fillings); no home renovations if you live in an older home (could release lead dust)). Drink good quality water (the solution for pollution is dilution) and get a lot of sleep. Limit stress. Regarding MTHFR, your doctor can test you for this common gene variant, but alternatively you can just take a prenatal that has the activated form of folate (avoid synthetic folate= "folic acid" commonly found in drugstore vitamins) because that will circumvent the faulty MTHFR if you (or the baby) has it. Look at the label. Should say "folate as methyltetrahydofolate or MTHF. Smarty Pants gummies use this form though I don't love the sugar in them. Also, I think Pure Encapsulations brand uses the right form.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, It is most common in the first born because they acquire 2/3 of mom’s toxin burden in utero. Due to high metabolic rate of the fetus and demand for calcium, Mom goes through temporary state of osteoporosis while pregnant. This allows the release of a lifetimes worth of toxins, most commonly lead that is stored in bone. But this is just part of the picture. Nearly all kids with autism have a gene variant called MTHFR that is involved in many important processes, not the least of which is detoxification. Folate acts through this pathway and many believe the use of synthetic folate found in most drug store prenatal vitamins is implicated in the development of autism. The reason is that Pp with MTHFR variants cannot properly utilize synthetic folate. It actually blocks real, dietary folate from the receptor and prevent real folate from getting into our cells. As a result, kids with autism are completely unable to detox and they hold on to toxins passed on by mom. Good news is that activated forms of folate, including the prescription form called leukovorin, can help many of our kids. Many success stories there. You can ask your doctor to test for MTHFR status, but if your child was born with a “stork bite” or “sugar bug” at birth, you can be pretty confident what you’re dealing with. I write none of this with the intention of making moms feel guilty or depressed. I hope it empowers some one to learn more and to help their child to live a healthier life

Are you saying a stork bite is an indication of SNs? Has this been scientifically confirmed? Do all races get stork bites?

Not exactly. I'm saying it is common to see these features in babies with MTHFR gene variant. These kids/people can have difficulty detoxing (esp if homozygous for the gene), so if MTHFR babies were exposed to toxins (say in utero via placenta or early post-natal) they would tend to accumulate toxins, resulting in SNs

[Anonymous]

First born. As someone else said, it's due to the toxic burden. We're working on it. Luckily my second and third have been very healthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2nd kid. Lead poisoning caused it.

How is this possible? It’s not the 1970s anymore. People know this stuff.

I'm the PP. You would be shocked how common it is. I'm on a group of lead poisoned kids moms. Its tragic really.any apt or house built before 1980 is at risk. Lead is in lots of toys. In our case, apartment had chipped lead paint that landlord reassured us wasn't lead.

It happens to rich kids and poor kids. Do some research

This is fascinating to me. My daughter was adopted as a toddler from an orphanage in a foreign country and she had high levels of lead when she came home but she is a typical child and has no special needs (unlike my bio child). I guess it doesn’t always significantly effect child?

That's true no matter what the toxin. Your child may be less sensitive than others. And even if the blood test was high, the exposure might have been brief so there wasn't enough time to do significant damage.

Toxicity is more likely to affect a child who is exposed at a younger age. Also, genetics is an important factor. One gene that gets a lot of attention is called MTHFR. It is a common gene variant that is implicated in detoxification. Studies have shown that 98% of kids on the spectrum have it. As a result, their bodies hold onto toxins and don’t excrete them.

I have seen this quote online but I could find not such a study. Actual studies show that autistic people have a higher rate of variation in MTHFR, but not that much higher than the general.population. If they ever did find a gene that 98% of autistic people have, it would be hailed worldwide as a gigantic breakthrough, turned into a diagnostic test and Big Pharma would pour millions of research dollars into finding drugs for that affect MTHFR.

My kid did get tested for MTHFR. The testing company did not market it as an autism test nor did the three doctors I showed the test to say that. Do you think the testing company would want doctors to know about the value of their own test, if it were true?

Also MTHFR is not involved in excretion or toxin removal. All it does is methylate folic acid so it can be converted to something else.

Yes, in the ideal world " it would be hailed worldwide as a gigantic breakthrough, turned into a diagnostic test and Big Pharma would pour millions of research dollars into finding drugs for that affect MTHFR" but in the real world, big pharma isn't interested because the solution is natural folate found in leafy green vegetables. No way to patent that. Then you've got the other problem that you have to acknowledge that autism is real and deserves interventions and is caused by something other than just bad parenting.

[Anonymous]

First born, here too. Child tested high for lead, but with no known exposure. Then I tested myself and saw similar test results, leading me to believe that my child acquired my toxins in utero.

[Anonymous]

twins. Both with ADHD (different types and diagnosed in different grades.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have three children - 6,4, and 6 months. My first is SN with moderate to severe ADHD. Second has no SN and third has none that we know of yet.

We had zero idea that our first was SN until well after my second was born. We knew of his speech and sensory issues when I got pregnant with my third and maybe had slight suspicions of ADHD, but it wasn’t until I was a few months pregnant with my third that his ADHD symptoms exploded and he got the diagnosis. I still would have had a third even if the diagnoses preceded the pregnancy, BUT I will admit that as Inwas dealing with a lot of challenging issues with DS, I ended up (subconsciously) terrified of having another boy due to fear of SN again knowing the risks are higher with boys. I didn’t even realize how subconsciously strong that fear was until I found out I was pregnant with a girl. Before then, I had been cranky, crying everyday, and generally anxious. I figured it was just bad antepartum depression, but when I found out I was pregnant with a girl, all of those symptoms instantly disappeared. That’s when I realized what was truly causing them.

Now, while she is not SN that we know of, my baby is the worst of worst sleepers and very high needs. THAT has caused me to swear off ever having another 100x more than SN ever had or would.

I get this. I was an older mom with both of my pregnancies and was incredibly relieved and thrilled to find out I was having girls both times.
I hope your kid are doing well and sleeping through the night!

[Anonymous]

First. I always wanted two and had two. Very glad I did.