Let’s cut to the chase and furlough teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:You really think that teachers should be equated with bus drivers and custodians? Wow. These ignorant comments and the overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that bus drivers and custodians are less deserving of respectful treatment than teachers. Why do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Most teachers would be better off financially if furloughed. Currently, teachers can’t get unemployment over the summer because they aren’t unemployed technically. Furlough teachers and not only they will get 10 months of unemployment, but two extra months of income. And DCUM likes to remind teachers that they are too lazy, stupid, and incompetent to be hired for anything else so it should be easy to recertify eligibility each month.

Meanwhile teachers won’t be spending on supplies and snacks for their students.

What’s the financial downside again?

Yeah, I'd love to collect that pandemic unemployment plus $600. I would literally make more money doing nothing than teaching your kids packed into a filthy, unventilated school. I don't know who you think ultimately pays the cost of unemployment, but surprise! It's tax payers.

You aren't going to win this. If teachers lose their jobs, your child will receive less instruction than they did before. You know who that one teacher would be, posting worksheets? The most senior person in the school, so the person least technologically adept and the least likely to care. They definitely would not be available for questions, complaints, or comments, and there would be no synchronous learning. You think firing all her colleagues would inspire this one teacher to suddenly provide your child and 100 others with a world class education? Get real. She would be looking for an out.

If I were furloughed, I would take it as a sign that it was just time to leave the profession. There aren't a lot of perks in education, but job security is one of them. I would absolutely take my M.S. and go elsewhere. I work with students with disabilities, in a position that has a huge problem with attrition. I am rated highly effective. I'm young and computer literate and I can easily take my skills elsewhere. Good luck finding someone to replace me after the furlough-we currently have 10+ vacancies at my school, but I'm sure there are many other passionate educators waiting with bated breath to step in.

LOL. Go for it. Good luck.

Thanks, but I won’t need it. I’m educated and articulate. I don’t need any of the misplaced hatred for teachers. I got into teaching because I love kids, and because I think there’s intrinsic value in advocating for children with disabilities. I’m sure that’s hysterical to you (as indicated by your sad response). I’m sure you also think there are people lined up to take my job-even though they’re unable to fill positions like mine, year after year. The pay is inadequate and the parents are ungrateful. Good luck at home with your kids in the fall. I hope you find your job as a stay at home mom fulfilling enough that you’re not bothered by the lack of pay.

My my such assumptions. You won’t survive a minute working in the business world even though you’re so “educated” and “articulate”. As I said - good luck!

You wish that were true-that teachers had no other options. I feel bad for the kids, who will lose a lot of qualified, passionate young teachers to other fields where they can make enough money to actually live in the communities they serve.

My awesome colleague who is 6 years in and only 29 just resigned. She doesn’t have any health issues, but she’s engaged to a man who is the sole caregiver for his parents with serious chronic illnesses. She said it broke her heart to leave the kids but she can tutor online and be safe for her future in laws.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You really think that teachers should be equated with bus drivers and custodians? Wow. These ignorant comments and the overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that bus drivers and custodians are less deserving of respectful treatment than teachers. Why do you?

No less deserving of respectful treatment at all. But do you seriously think they should be considered in the same professional tier?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You really think that teachers should be equated with bus drivers and custodians? Wow. These ignorant comments and the overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that bus drivers and custodians are less deserving of respectful treatment than teachers. Why do you?

I’m a teacher and I’m just as worried about the paras and bus drivers as I am the teaching staff. Building services usually do not have to be in the same room as the students.

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Anonymous wrote:You really think that teachers should be equated with bus drivers and custodians? Wow. These ignorant comments and the overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that bus drivers and custodians are less deserving of respectful treatment than teachers. Why do you?

No less deserving of respectful treatment at all. But do you seriously think they should be considered in the same professional tier?

Factually they are not in the same professional tier. What is this relevant to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Most teachers would be better off financially if furloughed. Currently, teachers can’t get unemployment over the summer because they aren’t unemployed technically. Furlough teachers and not only they will get 10 months of unemployment, but two extra months of income. And DCUM likes to remind teachers that they are too lazy, stupid, and incompetent to be hired for anything else so it should be easy to recertify eligibility each month.

Meanwhile teachers won’t be spending on supplies and snacks for their students.

What’s the financial downside again?

Yeah, I'd love to collect that pandemic unemployment plus $600. I would literally make more money doing nothing than teaching your kids packed into a filthy, unventilated school. I don't know who you think ultimately pays the cost of unemployment, but surprise! It's tax payers.

You aren't going to win this. If teachers lose their jobs, your child will receive less instruction than they did before. You know who that one teacher would be, posting worksheets? The most senior person in the school, so the person least technologically adept and the least likely to care. They definitely would not be available for questions, complaints, or comments, and there would be no synchronous learning. You think firing all her colleagues would inspire this one teacher to suddenly provide your child and 100 others with a world class education? Get real. She would be looking for an out.

If I were furloughed, I would take it as a sign that it was just time to leave the profession. There aren't a lot of perks in education, but job security is one of them. I would absolutely take my M.S. and go elsewhere. I work with students with disabilities, in a position that has a huge problem with attrition. I am rated highly effective. I'm young and computer literate and I can easily take my skills elsewhere. Good luck finding someone to replace me after the furlough-we currently have 10+ vacancies at my school, but I'm sure there are many other passionate educators waiting with bated breath to step in.

LOL. Go for it. Good luck.

Thanks, but I won’t need it. I’m educated and articulate. I don’t need any of the misplaced hatred for teachers. I got into teaching because I love kids, and because I think there’s intrinsic value in advocating for children with disabilities. I’m sure that’s hysterical to you (as indicated by your sad response). I’m sure you also think there are people lined up to take my job-even though they’re unable to fill positions like mine, year after year. The pay is inadequate and the parents are ungrateful. Good luck at home with your kids in the fall. I hope you find your job as a stay at home mom fulfilling enough that you’re not bothered by the lack of pay.

My my such assumptions. You won’t survive a minute working in the business world even though you’re so “educated” and “articulate”. As I said - good luck!

You wish that were true-that teachers had no other options. I feel bad for the kids, who will lose a lot of qualified, passionate young teachers to other fields where they can make enough money to actually live in the communities they serve.

As I said - good luck!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: DL in Maryland is a joke. Let’s face it and save our money for a real education when public health permits it. The school can keep posting the random worksheets it doesn’t grade and the YouTube videos of other teachers. One teacher can do that for each grade in that state while we furlough the others. Then those teachers won’t need to whine about how hard it is to teach with their child care responsibilities.

We can treat these teachers equally to school nurses, bus drivers, custodians and paraeducators who have been struggling. And we can balance our budget this year and save the $ for real improvement in the future. I would much rather return to regular school but until that can be done let’s treat all our education professionals equally. Or if teachers want to actually teach live and grade like they really want to educate I am all for paying them. But paying them to sit at home and whine about how online is hard while they each post the same videos as the other 200 teachers in the district without follow up is not ok.

Flame away but we don’t have the extra money for fluff anymore. There are lots of virtual teaching jobs out there for those who actually teach that could be had by teachers who , as they say, actually want to teach.

This is a very real proposal in my hometown district in PA. Several members of the school board are proposing to cancel school entirely next year, furlough all teachers and staff, and resume school in fall 2021. All kids will pick up where they left off, one year older. And it has the support of a substantial portion of the community. It’s a small town, where people think trying to come up with all of these plans for distance learning is too much trouble. I can’t imagine the state would allow it...

That’s a great way to f@ck over kids who will turn 18 this year. We have two in my home. March birthdays. Nothing forces custodial parents to support a child after 18. When I taught at Kennedy, we’d have students couch surfing for months and working all night, then falling asleep in class because they had to leave home as soon as they were legally an adult. Are you aware that court-ordered financial support typically ends at 18. Same with many social safety net programs. Some might extend to high school graduation or 19th birthday, whichever comes soonest, but there would still be a lot of seniors turning 19 between January and April and forced to fend of themselves full-time financially.

This in not exactly true. Most court orders say 18 or when the child graduates from high school. If you choose to hold your child back as the custodial parent, at what point is enough enough with child support and you need to support your child. This is why kids shouldn't always be placed with mom whose shuts out dad for that child support payment. They probably continue to get the payment and are lying to their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You really think that teachers should be equated with bus drivers and custodians? Wow. These ignorant comments and the overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that bus drivers and custodians are less deserving of respectful treatment than teachers. Why do you?

No less deserving of respectful treatment at all. But do you seriously think they should be considered in the same professional tier?

Factually they are not in the same professional tier. What is this relevant to?

Do you really not understand the issue here? OK, let me amend my post...

The overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You really think that teachers should be equated with bus drivers and custodians? Wow. These ignorant comments and the overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that bus drivers and custodians are less deserving of respectful treatment than teachers. Why do you?

No less deserving of respectful treatment at all. But do you seriously think they should be considered in the same professional tier?

Factually they are not in the same professional tier. What is this relevant to?

Do you really not understand the issue here? OK, let me amend my post...

The overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that vitriol on DCUM is the reason why college graduates with good grades don't want to become teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ideally MCPS and the state board of education will heed the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics and plan for all students to return to school in person in August.

Yes, let’s apply their recommendations over all other accredited medical bodies’ recommendations because they support the policy that benefits you most. Science!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ideally MCPS and the state board of education will heed the recommendations of the American Academy of Pediatrics and plan for all students to return to school in person in August.

Yes, let’s apply their recommendations over all other accredited medical bodies’ recommendations because they support the policy that benefits you most. Science!

Which recommendations, from which accredited medical bodies, conflict with the AAP's recommendations?

Also, who is the "you" whom the AAP recommendations most benefit?

[Anonymous]

I agree with the AAP statement and I'm a teacher. I have kids. I have elderly parents. I don't have a clue what I'll do for child care. And I still agree with their statement. I'm totally prepared to go back. I think we're frontline workers, whether or not we signed up to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the AAP statement and I'm a teacher. I have kids. I have elderly parents. I don't have a clue what I'll do for child care. And I still agree with their statement. I'm totally prepared to go back. I think we're frontline workers, whether or not we signed up to be.

And I think that the American public relies on a teaching force willing to work for really abysmal pay, under increasingly dangerous conditions (shootings! A pandemic!) and just smoking about how fulfilled they are when they see the kids’ smiling faces. Wake up. We aren’t their mommies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: DL in Maryland is a joke. Let’s face it and save our money for a real education when public health permits it. The school can keep posting the random worksheets it doesn’t grade and the YouTube videos of other teachers. One teacher can do that for each grade in that state while we furlough the others. Then those teachers won’t need to whine about how hard it is to teach with their child care responsibilities.

We can treat these teachers equally to school nurses, bus drivers, custodians and paraeducators who have been struggling. And we can balance our budget this year and save the $ for real improvement in the future. I would much rather return to regular school but until that can be done let’s treat all our education professionals equally. Or if teachers want to actually teach live and grade like they really want to educate I am all for paying them. But paying them to sit at home and whine about how online is hard while they each post the same videos as the other 200 teachers in the district without follow up is not ok.

Flame away but we don’t have the extra money for fluff anymore. There are lots of virtual teaching jobs out there for those who actually teach that could be had by teachers who , as they say, actually want to teach.

This is a very real proposal in my hometown district in PA. Several members of the school board are proposing to cancel school entirely next year, furlough all teachers and staff, and resume school in fall 2021. All kids will pick up where they left off, one year older. And it has the support of a substantial portion of the community. It’s a small town, where people think trying to come up with all of these plans for distance learning is too much trouble. I can’t imagine the state would allow it...

That’s a great way to f@ck over kids who will turn 18 this year. We have two in my home. March birthdays. Nothing forces custodial parents to support a child after 18. When I taught at Kennedy, we’d have students couch surfing for months and working all night, then falling asleep in class because they had to leave home as soon as they were legally an adult. Are you aware that court-ordered financial support typically ends at 18. Same with many social safety net programs. Some might extend to high school graduation or 19th birthday, whichever comes soonest, but there would still be a lot of seniors turning 19 between January and April and forced to fend of themselves full-time financially.

This in not exactly true. Most court orders say 18 or when the child graduates from high school. If you choose to hold your child back as the custodial parent, at what point is enough enough with child support and you need to support your child. This is why kids shouldn't always be placed with mom whose shuts out dad for that child support payment. They probably continue to get the payment and are lying to their kids.

You show up every time there’s any post about CS, even when it isn’t the main topic of the thread. Do you just use the search function all day so you can pop in and spew this MRA bs? What an unhealthy way to live your life! No wonder your children don’t want anything to do with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You really think that teachers should be equated with bus drivers and custodians? Wow. These ignorant comments and the overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that bus drivers and custodians are less deserving of respectful treatment than teachers. Why do you?

No less deserving of respectful treatment at all. But do you seriously think they should be considered in the same professional tier?

Factually they are not in the same professional tier. What is this relevant to?

Do you really not understand the issue here? OK, let me amend my post...

The overall vitriol on this forum is astounding. No wonder our high achieving graduates do not want to pursue work in the education field. I hope everyone is prepared for the quality of teaching staff to decline for years and years to come. These opinions will be long remembered.

I don't think that vitriol on DCUM is the reason why college graduates with good grades don't want to become teachers.

No, but DCUM reflects what teachers go through and people simply aren’t recommending it as a career. I know parents who outright refuse to pay for an undergrad degree in education.