New Sexual Assault Case. What school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm telling you guys, these anonymous instagram posts are full of BS. If someone really got assaulted, it should by all means be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Administrators who turned a blind eye should also be held accountable. BUT these "black at *****" and "female at ******" where ANYONE can just submit an anonymous claim... don't ever underestimate the power of bored teenagers (and adults) sitting at home ready to write fan fiction. Or people with a grudge against someone or their family. I could literally go on that account right now and claim to be a high school girl who was assaulted at Blair. And I don't even live in Maryland!

I agree. They do serve to highlight that systemic racism happens everywhere, but I would not take individual stories to heart. Not on the internet, and certainly not from anonymous posters.

I have 2 kids at an MCPS school which has a survivors at instagram account. Many of the posted stories are well known to them already, having heard and/or witnessed events.

I'll tell you from a female point of view (as an adult) and from the point of view of my HS aged female child -- the problem is YOU in that you (and many other adults in positions of power) would prefer to believe these stories are made up. In 12 years of raising 2 kids in the MCPS system, I can tell many horrifying stories about racism and sexism. W/reference to sexism, in MCPS, I have seen a number of verifiable sexual assault incidents go unreported and unpunished. And then there is the plethora of sexual assault and harassment cases that are sub-criminal but still unacceptable -- that teacher that stares at your boobs or talks about sexual things? not a crime. The boy that tries to kiss you without consent. No one is going to believe you or treat it as a sexual assault. The teacher that continually criticizes your dress-code allowed clothing? also not a crime, not reportable, not considered an offense of any kind and teacher will not be corrected.

Those are two very different things. One is a person bringing a complaint to a teacher or administrator. That should be fully investigated. Individual anonymous stories on line are useless. Collectively yes they present a problem. But I will never believe individual posts from anonymous posters. Do something to ensure complaints are investigated. Don’t waste your energy on these posts though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, MCPS wants to do the RESTORATIVE JUSTICE.

Everybody come in, form a circle, talk about it and do the restorative justice process.....No punishment!

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I’m not comfortable with the public identification on social media of minors who have been accused. There has to be a better way.

+1 agree with reporting assault; don't agree with anonymous accusations on social media without proof, especially against minors.

I am a mom of a boy and girl, and my DS goes to one of the HS named on that article. My DD will be going there soon. If there is a serious issue of assault and boys who are sexual predators, I dam* well want school administrators to do something about it. But, an anonymous accusation is not the right approach. Did these girls (boys?) tell teachers/parents/administrators about what happened? That's the correct process, not an anonymous social media post.

And I say this as someone who was touched inappropriately when I was in HS.

Except that, even when students do report these incidents, MCPS doesn’t act appropriately.

Remember Damascus? The victim went to the principal and nobody was Held accountable. Remember the Rockville case?

MCPS has a culture of not keeping students safe from sexual assault on their watch. Students see this happen and know they won’t get the support they need from MCPS. MCPS would rather sweep any untoward incidents under the rug.

Exactly.

Parents and admin want to focus on Restorative Justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm telling you guys, these anonymous instagram posts are full of BS. If someone really got assaulted, it should by all means be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Administrators who turned a blind eye should also be held accountable. BUT these "black at *****" and "female at ******" where ANYONE can just submit an anonymous claim... don't ever underestimate the power of bored teenagers (and adults) sitting at home ready to write fan fiction. Or people with a grudge against someone or their family. I could literally go on that account right now and claim to be a high school girl who was assaulted at Blair. And I don't even live in Maryland!

I agree. They do serve to highlight that systemic racism happens everywhere, but I would not take individual stories to heart. Not on the internet, and certainly not from anonymous posters.

I have 2 kids at an MCPS school which has a survivors at instagram account. Many of the posted stories are well known to them already, having heard and/or witnessed events.

I'll tell you from a female point of view (as an adult) and from the point of view of my HS aged female child -- the problem is YOU in that you (and many other adults in positions of power) would prefer to believe these stories are made up. In 12 years of raising 2 kids in the MCPS system, I can tell many horrifying stories about racism and sexism. W/reference to sexism, in MCPS, I have seen a number of verifiable sexual assault incidents go unreported and unpunished. And then there is the plethora of sexual assault and harassment cases that are sub-criminal but still unacceptable -- that teacher that stares at your boobs or talks about sexual things? not a crime. The boy that tries to kiss you without consent. No one is going to believe you or treat it as a sexual assault. The teacher that continually criticizes your dress-code allowed clothing? also not a crime, not reportable, not considered an offense of any kind and teacher will not be corrected.

DP.. I have both a boy and girl, and I have been touched inappropriately when I was in HS (and beyond). I believe sh1t like this still happens in HS, of course. BUT, anonymous posting on social media accusing a boy of xyz is not the way to deal with it.

A person up thread responded to me saying that girls don't report these incidences because of fear and shame. How well I know that. I went through the same thing in HS. I posted this up thread.. I was too embarrassed. BUT, again, anonymous posting is not the way to deal with it. This leads to too much false accusations. As much as a girl's reputation and life can be impacted by this assault, a boy's life, too, can be impacted by false accusations.

If your DD was accused of cheating or stealing would you be ok with someone posting this on the internet without her being able to prove her innocence? Girls can be mean to each other and slam each other by spreading rumors and false accusations about a girl. Would you be ok with that? I'm guessing not. How do you even know the person posting is being truthful? It's like you believing every post on dcum is true.

It is false to suggest that these stories are all naming names. For example, the "survivors at bcc" instagram account is not naming survivors nor minor children. (They are naming adult teachers.) So, no school-aged boy is being accused by name. The fact that many students know the name attached to a particular story, even if the posting doesn't disclose the name, is a function of the fact that survivors and their perpetrators talk. So a girl who survives a sexual assault may talk to friends about it, may confront the boy about it, who may respond in ways that acknowledge that the incident did in fact take place, etc.

It is impossible and immoral, IMO, to suggest that victims should remain quiet about these incidents unless they report the incident to police and/or have a conviction. So much of what happens is either not "criminal" or criminal but not actionable or criminal but actionable but systems refuse to conduct legitimate prosecution/recourse that the girls have developed their own whisper network to protect themselves. IMO, this is a predictable consequence of having a criminal justice and educational system, both of which fail to protect school age victims of sexual assault and harassment.

Anonymous posting happens when existing systems of justice/recourse/protection aren't working. If you want to stop anonymous posting, you have to offer legitimate working forms of recourse that make victims feel that those channels are safe and effective. That doesn't happen at all (yet).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm telling you guys, these anonymous instagram posts are full of BS. If someone really got assaulted, it should by all means be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Administrators who turned a blind eye should also be held accountable. BUT these "black at *****" and "female at ******" where ANYONE can just submit an anonymous claim... don't ever underestimate the power of bored teenagers (and adults) sitting at home ready to write fan fiction. Or people with a grudge against someone or their family. I could literally go on that account right now and claim to be a high school girl who was assaulted at Blair. And I don't even live in Maryland!

I agree. They do serve to highlight that systemic racism happens everywhere, but I would not take individual stories to heart. Not on the internet, and certainly not from anonymous posters.

I have 2 kids at an MCPS school which has a survivors at instagram account. Many of the posted stories are well known to them already, having heard and/or witnessed events.

I'll tell you from a female point of view (as an adult) and from the point of view of my HS aged female child -- the problem is YOU in that you (and many other adults in positions of power) would prefer to believe these stories are made up. In 12 years of raising 2 kids in the MCPS system, I can tell many horrifying stories about racism and sexism. W/reference to sexism, in MCPS, I have seen a number of verifiable sexual assault incidents go unreported and unpunished. And then there is the plethora of sexual assault and harassment cases that are sub-criminal but still unacceptable -- that teacher that stares at your boobs or talks about sexual things? not a crime. The boy that tries to kiss you without consent. No one is going to believe you or treat it as a sexual assault. The teacher that continually criticizes your dress-code allowed clothing? also not a crime, not reportable, not considered an offense of any kind and teacher will not be corrected.

Those are two very different things. One is a person bringing a complaint to a teacher or administrator. That should be fully investigated. Individual anonymous stories on line are useless. Collectively yes they present a problem. But I will never believe individual posts from anonymous posters. Do something to ensure complaints are investigated. Don’t waste your energy on these posts though.

Sorry, but as these girls have seen from the MeToo movement, anonymous stories can be quite powerful when they demonstrate patterns of abuse that go unaddressed or they identify perpetrators responsible for multiple criminal acts in a similar pattern.

Would that we had a Ryan Farrow, Jody Kantor or Megan Twohey who would pursue these claims, put together the narratives and publicly identify repeat perpetrators and administrators who act as facilitators or bystanders.

Even the adult women who created the google doc "shitty media men" that identified industry perpetrators were able to force a number of men out of positions of power. Yale women also created a similar doc.

HS girls have seen the power that their stories hold and that is not going away, whether they use whisper networks or confront boys in school and force the admin to hold school discussions on incidents (as happened with the ranking list at BCC, reported in WaPo, the Kojo show, and other local media.)

These complaints should be taken seriously and investigated, whether or not they contain names. The anonymous stories reflect a serious problem with sexual assault and harassment in schools that at a minimum can and should be ameliorated by increased training, better accountability mechanisms and better sex education in the areas of consent and criminal sexual behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Students having sex in high schools is not new in mcps, but attacking other students should be reported. Blair has near 3,000 students. I don't know how students running to different classrooms in the narrow keep social distance from each other.

This presumably happened pre-pandemic

[Anonymous]

Wait, the principal of Blair blocked the students on Twitter? No matter your opinion about broadcasting allegations on social media, that's absolutely absurd.

[Anonymous]

Restorative Justice, as intended, may be fabulous. I wouldn't know, because the way mcps does it, is not as intended. They put the victim and the accused in a room, the accused gives the victim an insincere apology, victim is told to accept. Then all is declared well. No consequence for the accused (other than being forced to give the apology, which is insincere).

Like a secondary assault for the victim, who has to suffer seeing their attacker/abuser/bullier every day at school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, the principal of Blair blocked the students on Twitter? No matter your opinion about broadcasting allegations on social media, that's absolutely absurd.

Not only absurd, but likely unconstitutional. Principal Renay Johnson’s Twitter account is not being used as her personal Twitter. She is using it as an official government employee/position account and as such, cannot block members of the public. Sort of like how Donald trump cannot block users. See https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/trump-twitter-first-amendment.amp.html

It’s first amendment issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait, the principal of Blair blocked the students on Twitter? No matter your opinion about broadcasting allegations on social media, that's absolutely absurd.

Not only absurd, but likely unconstitutional. Principal Renay Johnson’s Twitter account is not being used as her personal Twitter. She is using it as an official government employee/position account and as such, cannot block members of the public. Sort of like how Donald trump cannot block users. See https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/trump-twitter-first-amendment.amp.html

It’s first amendment issue.

P.S. A smart blocked student would get in touch with Jameel Jaffer at the Knight Institute and see if he or the institute could provide some pro bono support to challenge the principal and MCPS on the issue of blocking students on Twitter.

[Anonymous]

WOOTEN HS
HAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm telling you guys, these anonymous instagram posts are full of BS. If someone really got assaulted, it should by all means be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Administrators who turned a blind eye should also be held accountable. BUT these "black at *****" and "female at ******" where ANYONE can just submit an anonymous claim... don't ever underestimate the power of bored teenagers (and adults) sitting at home ready to write fan fiction. Or people with a grudge against someone or their family. I could literally go on that account right now and claim to be a high school girl who was assaulted at Blair. And I don't even live in Maryland!

I agree. They do serve to highlight that systemic racism happens everywhere, but I would not take individual stories to heart. Not on the internet, and certainly not from anonymous posters.

I have 2 kids at an MCPS school which has a survivors at instagram account. Many of the posted stories are well known to them already, having heard and/or witnessed events.

I'll tell you from a female point of view (as an adult) and from the point of view of my HS aged female child -- the problem is YOU in that you (and many other adults in positions of power) would prefer to believe these stories are made up. In 12 years of raising 2 kids in the MCPS system, I can tell many horrifying stories about racism and sexism. W/reference to sexism, in MCPS, I have seen a number of verifiable sexual assault incidents go unreported and unpunished. And then there is the plethora of sexual assault and harassment cases that are sub-criminal but still unacceptable -- that teacher that stares at your boobs or talks about sexual things? not a crime. The boy that tries to kiss you without consent. No one is going to believe you or treat it as a sexual assault. The teacher that continually criticizes your dress-code allowed clothing? also not a crime, not reportable, not considered an offense of any kind and teacher will not be corrected.

DP.. I have both a boy and girl, and I have been touched inappropriately when I was in HS (and beyond). I believe sh1t like this still happens in HS, of course. BUT, anonymous posting on social media accusing a boy of xyz is not the way to deal with it.

A person up thread responded to me saying that girls don't report these incidences because of fear and shame. How well I know that. I went through the same thing in HS. I posted this up thread.. I was too embarrassed. BUT, again, anonymous posting is not the way to deal with it. This leads to too much false accusations. As much as a girl's reputation and life can be impacted by this assault, a boy's life, too, can be impacted by false accusations.

If your DD was accused of cheating or stealing would you be ok with someone posting this on the internet without her being able to prove her innocence? Girls can be mean to each other and slam each other by spreading rumors and false accusations about a girl. Would you be ok with that? I'm guessing not. How do you even know the person posting is being truthful? It's like you believing every post on dcum is true.

It is false to suggest that these stories are all naming names. For example, the "survivors at bcc" instagram account is not naming survivors nor minor children. (They are naming adult teachers.) So, no school-aged boy is being accused by name. The fact that many students know the name attached to a particular story, even if the posting doesn't disclose the name, is a function of the fact that survivors and their perpetrators talk. So a girl who survives a sexual assault may talk to friends about it, may confront the boy about it, who may respond in ways that acknowledge that the incident did in fact take place, etc.

It is impossible and immoral, IMO, to suggest that victims should remain quiet about these incidents unless they report the incident to police and/or have a conviction. So much of what happens is either not "criminal" or criminal but not actionable or criminal but actionable but systems refuse to conduct legitimate prosecution/recourse that the girls have developed their own whisper network to protect themselves. IMO, this is a predictable consequence of having a criminal justice and educational system, both of which fail to protect school age victims of sexual assault and harassment.

Anonymous posting happens when existing systems of justice/recourse/protection aren't working. If you want to stop anonymous posting, you have to offer legitimate working forms of recourse that make victims feel that those channels are safe and effective. That doesn't happen at all (yet).

No where did I state that victims should stay quiet. Stop putting words in my mouth.

The point is that the anonymous posting is akin to rumor and gossip without any evidence. In this liberal area, the court of public opinion has probably tried and convicted the accused. That's not right, either. There have been several false accusations, as well. That iis thee consequence of believing people without any evidence.

"Trust but verify"... some people seem eager for the trust but not the verify part.

[Anonymous]

BCCC and WOOTTEN

Students of color EXPERIENCED BIAS and sexual advances

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait, the principal of Blair blocked the students on Twitter? No matter your opinion about broadcasting allegations on social media, that's absolutely absurd.

She blocked my daughter on Twitter for just asking early on why she wasn’t making a statement about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm telling you guys, these anonymous instagram posts are full of BS. If someone really got assaulted, it should by all means be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Administrators who turned a blind eye should also be held accountable. BUT these "black at *****" and "female at ******" where ANYONE can just submit an anonymous claim... don't ever underestimate the power of bored teenagers (and adults) sitting at home ready to write fan fiction. Or people with a grudge against someone or their family. I could literally go on that account right now and claim to be a high school girl who was assaulted at Blair. And I don't even live in Maryland!

I agree. They do serve to highlight that systemic racism happens everywhere, but I would not take individual stories to heart. Not on the internet, and certainly not from anonymous posters.

I have 2 kids at an MCPS school which has a survivors at instagram account. Many of the posted stories are well known to them already, having heard and/or witnessed events.

I'll tell you from a female point of view (as an adult) and from the point of view of my HS aged female child -- the problem is YOU in that you (and many other adults in positions of power) would prefer to believe these stories are made up. In 12 years of raising 2 kids in the MCPS system, I can tell many horrifying stories about racism and sexism. W/reference to sexism, in MCPS, I have seen a number of verifiable sexual assault incidents go unreported and unpunished. And then there is the plethora of sexual assault and harassment cases that are sub-criminal but still unacceptable -- that teacher that stares at your boobs or talks about sexual things? not a crime. The boy that tries to kiss you without consent. No one is going to believe you or treat it as a sexual assault. The teacher that continually criticizes your dress-code allowed clothing? also not a crime, not reportable, not considered an offense of any kind and teacher will not be corrected.

DP.. I have both a boy and girl, and I have been touched inappropriately when I was in HS (and beyond). I believe sh1t like this still happens in HS, of course. BUT, anonymous posting on social media accusing a boy of xyz is not the way to deal with it.

A person up thread responded to me saying that girls don't report these incidences because of fear and shame. How well I know that. I went through the same thing in HS. I posted this up thread.. I was too embarrassed. BUT, again, anonymous posting is not the way to deal with it. This leads to too much false accusations. As much as a girl's reputation and life can be impacted by this assault, a boy's life, too, can be impacted by false accusations.

If your DD was accused of cheating or stealing would you be ok with someone posting this on the internet without her being able to prove her innocence? Girls can be mean to each other and slam each other by spreading rumors and false accusations about a girl. Would you be ok with that? I'm guessing not. How do you even know the person posting is being truthful? It's like you believing every post on dcum is true.

It is false to suggest that these stories are all naming names. For example, the "survivors at bcc" instagram account is not naming survivors nor minor children. (They are naming adult teachers.) So, no school-aged boy is being accused by name. The fact that many students know the name attached to a particular story, even if the posting doesn't disclose the name, is a function of the fact that survivors and their perpetrators talk. So a girl who survives a sexual assault may talk to friends about it, may confront the boy about it, who may respond in ways that acknowledge that the incident did in fact take place, etc.

It is impossible and immoral, IMO, to suggest that victims should remain quiet about these incidents unless they report the incident to police and/or have a conviction. So much of what happens is either not "criminal" or criminal but not actionable or criminal but actionable but systems refuse to conduct legitimate prosecution/recourse that the girls have developed their own whisper network to protect themselves. IMO, this is a predictable consequence of having a criminal justice and educational system, both of which fail to protect school age victims of sexual assault and harassment.

Anonymous posting happens when existing systems of justice/recourse/protection aren't working. If you want to stop anonymous posting, you have to offer legitimate working forms of recourse that make victims feel that those channels are safe and effective. That doesn't happen at all (yet).

No where did I state that victims should stay quiet. Stop putting words in my mouth.

The point is that the anonymous posting is akin to rumor and gossip without any evidence. In this liberal area, the court of public opinion has probably tried and convicted the accused. That's not right, either. There have been several false accusations, as well. That iis thee consequence of believing people without any evidence.

"Trust but verify"... some people seem eager for the trust but not the verify part.

That’s because verify never comes. The current system is report, ignore, silence victim, protect perpetrator.

Now you can see that a crappy justice system hurts men as well as women. For years, men have structured the system to avoid prosecution, but when you do that you also prevent men having access to a system that clears them of unwarranted accusations.

Lie in the bed you made..... as they say.