Unsure if we should switch clubs

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Anonymous wrote:EDP > CCL

for those of us who both like and understand this beautiful game there is absolutely no comparison.

Whoever tells you otherwise is lying through their teeth. We’ve see a lot of that lately due to covid and masks off (no pun intended) in regards to keeping people’s money.

CCL is basically appealing to coaches and their schedules but as a league it’s a joke.

Imagine... you pay 2000 or more in a year and play like 5 games in fall and luckily almost 8 in spring. It’s pathetic.

EDP on the other hand has a genuine system of promotion/relegation which naturally makes talent flow up and less-skilled go down but it is organized well and smoothly. On top of that EDP’s exposure is better than CCL. I’ve met college coaches in EDP high profile matches.

How do I know you ask?

I have coached both.

you might have coached both but you are only telling part of the story. for the $2000 or more for pathetic 13 games you mention how do you calculate my daughters team that plays both CCL and EDP for no additional cost to me as a parent?
Maybe consider the club, what they offer, how well its fit for you kid, the value you get for your money and so on versus take a "coach" perspective on one league being pathetic because a club charges $2000 for 13 games. how that has anything to do with the actual league itself is beyond me.

PP poster from comment above here... this is precisely why we are leaving. On top of the 13 CCL league games, imagine not getting blown out in them (we're honestly not even competitive). As you said, we're looking at the entirety of the club.

Alexandria has at least two boys teams who play EDP. If you're looking for a team who plays EDP, look at SYC. Their top teams, at least the ages my kids play, play in the EDP. CCL is a club format, not based on the ability of the team, which is why EDP works better; however, EDP does have the same club to club format, which is again just like CCL, a mixed bag of teams. Look for a team that plays on your DC level and find a coach you like.

We have players who have been in both leagues and a CCL A team would get beat 10-0 by our A team. It's not based on skill since as PP have stated its 1:1 club format, not pro/rel like the EDP format. We have found that EDP is much better at matching skills between teams. The travel with CCL was also a lot worse (ie. driving to Virginia Beach for one game). It's been a while so this may have changed in recent years.

A three hour drive to Harford is just as bad as a three hour drive to VA Beach.

Fair. But we generally drove to Maryland areas.

That is true; honestly there's pros and cons to competing in both leagues. I think what matters most of course is your club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EDP > CCL

for those of us who both like and understand this beautiful game there is absolutely no comparison.

Whoever tells you otherwise is lying through their teeth. We’ve see a lot of that lately due to covid and masks off (no pun intended) in regards to keeping people’s money.

CCL is basically appealing to coaches and their schedules but as a league it’s a joke.

Imagine... you pay 2000 or more in a year and play like 5 games in fall and luckily almost 8 in spring. It’s pathetic.

EDP on the other hand has a genuine system of promotion/relegation which naturally makes talent flow up and less-skilled go down but it is organized well and smoothly. On top of that EDP’s exposure is better than CCL. I’ve met college coaches in EDP high profile matches.

How do I know you ask?

I have coached both.

you might have coached both but you are only telling part of the story. for the $2000 or more for pathetic 13 games you mention how do you calculate my daughters team that plays both CCL and EDP for no additional cost to me as a parent?
Maybe consider the club, what they offer, how well its fit for you kid, the value you get for your money and so on versus take a "coach" perspective on one league being pathetic because a club charges $2000 for 13 games. how that has anything to do with the actual league itself is beyond me.

PP poster from comment above here... this is precisely why we are leaving. On top of the 13 CCL league games, imagine not getting blown out in them (we're honestly not even competitive). As you said, we're looking at the entirety of the club.

Alexandria has at least two boys teams who play EDP. If you're looking for a team who plays EDP, look at SYC. Their top teams, at least the ages my kids play, play in the EDP. CCL is a club format, not based on the ability of the team, which is why EDP works better; however, EDP does have the same club to club format, which is again just like CCL, a mixed bag of teams. Look for a team that plays on your DC level and find a coach you like.

We have players who have been in both leagues and a CCL A team would get beat 10-0 by our A team. It's not based on skill since as PP have stated its 1:1 club format, not pro/rel like the EDP format. We have found that EDP is much better at matching skills between teams. The travel with CCL was also a lot worse (ie. driving to Virginia Beach for one game). It's been a while so this may have changed in recent years.

A three hour drive to Harford is just as bad as a three hour drive to VA Beach.

Fair. But we generally drove to Maryland areas.

That is true; honestly there's pros and cons to competing in both leagues. I think what matters most of course is your club.

Which is a big concern for us since our club is very small and going through a lot of changes. Hope we have games this Fall.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EDP > CCL

for those of us who both like and understand this beautiful game there is absolutely no comparison.

Whoever tells you otherwise is lying through their teeth. We’ve see a lot of that lately due to covid and masks off (no pun intended) in regards to keeping people’s money.

CCL is basically appealing to coaches and their schedules but as a league it’s a joke.

Imagine... you pay 2000 or more in a year and play like 5 games in fall and luckily almost 8 in spring. It’s pathetic.

EDP on the other hand has a genuine system of promotion/relegation which naturally makes talent flow up and less-skilled go down but it is organized well and smoothly. On top of that EDP’s exposure is better than CCL. I’ve met college coaches in EDP high profile matches.

How do I know you ask?

I have coached both.

you might have coached both but you are only telling part of the story. for the $2000 or more for pathetic 13 games you mention how do you calculate my daughters team that plays both CCL and EDP for no additional cost to me as a parent?
Maybe consider the club, what they offer, how well its fit for you kid, the value you get for your money and so on versus take a "coach" perspective on one league being pathetic because a club charges $2000 for 13 games. how that has anything to do with the actual league itself is beyond me.

PP poster from comment above here... this is precisely why we are leaving. On top of the 13 CCL league games, imagine not getting blown out in them (we're honestly not even competitive). As you said, we're looking at the entirety of the club.

Alexandria has at least two boys teams who play EDP. If you're looking for a team who plays EDP, look at SYC. Their top teams, at least the ages my kids play, play in the EDP. CCL is a club format, not based on the ability of the team, which is why EDP works better; however, EDP does have the same club to club format, which is again just like CCL, a mixed bag of teams. Look for a team that plays on your DC level and find a coach you like.

We have players who have been in both leagues and a CCL A team would get beat 10-0 by our A team. It's not based on skill since as PP have stated its 1:1 club format, not pro/rel like the EDP format. We have found that EDP is much better at matching skills between teams. The travel with CCL was also a lot worse (ie. driving to Virginia Beach for one game). It's been a while so this may have changed in recent years.

A three hour drive to Harford is just as bad as a three hour drive to VA Beach.

Fair. But we generally drove to Maryland areas.

That is true; honestly there's pros and cons to competing in both leagues. I think what matters most of course is your club.

Which is a big concern for us since our club is very small and going through a lot of changes. Hope we have games this Fall.

What’s the name of your club?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a similar situation but with subtle differences.

My DS team got dismantled and couldn’t not follow his teammates because most of them went to a club out of our commuting range.

DS got offered a spot in an EDP team but is a small club. I don’t have much info on it and not sure if it’s ideal move but I don’t want him to be without soccer.

Bigger club out of our range also offered and will be in CCL2 but we are exploring all angles.

Does anyone have substantial feedback on Leesburg area soccer clubs with CCL/EDP level? Ideally we would like to keep commuting within local reach. Soccer has never been my sport and I fully support my DS choices but I’m not invested enough to know what the best decision would be.

Also, refund policies are a big factor into this decision. Whatever you know is welcome. TIA

I like edp better than ccl. Ccl is based on club not how good or bad your team is. Edp is based on your team talent. Your coach has say in what division they play in.

+1 CCL is a joke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a similar situation but with subtle differences.

My DS team got dismantled and couldn’t not follow his teammates because most of them went to a club out of our commuting range.

DS got offered a spot in an EDP team but is a small club. I don’t have much info on it and not sure if it’s ideal move but I don’t want him to be without soccer.

Bigger club out of our range also offered and will be in CCL2 but we are exploring all angles.

Does anyone have substantial feedback on Leesburg area soccer clubs with CCL/EDP level? Ideally we would like to keep commuting within local reach. Soccer has never been my sport and I fully support my DS choices but I’m not invested enough to know what the best decision would be.

Also, refund policies are a big factor into this decision. Whatever you know is welcome. TIA

I like edp better than ccl. Ccl is based on club not how good or bad your team is. Edp is based on your team talent. Your coach has say in what division they play in.

+1 CCL is a joke

EDP is a joke if you aren't in the top division.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a similar situation but with subtle differences.

My DS team got dismantled and couldn’t not follow his teammates because most of them went to a club out of our commuting range.

DS got offered a spot in an EDP team but is a small club. I don’t have much info on it and not sure if it’s ideal move but I don’t want him to be without soccer.

Bigger club out of our range also offered and will be in CCL2 but we are exploring all angles.

Does anyone have substantial feedback on Leesburg area soccer clubs with CCL/EDP level? Ideally we would like to keep commuting within local reach. Soccer has never been my sport and I fully support my DS choices but I’m not invested enough to know what the best decision would be.

Also, refund policies are a big factor into this decision. Whatever you know is welcome. TIA

I like edp better than ccl. Ccl is based on club not how good or bad your team is. Edp is based on your team talent. Your coach has say in what division they play in.

+1 CCL is a joke

EDP is a joke if you aren't in the top division.

Where do you suggest they play then, CCL2?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:EDP > CCL

for those of us who both like and understand this beautiful game there is absolutely no comparison.

Whoever tells you otherwise is lying through their teeth. We’ve see a lot of that lately due to covid and masks off (no pun intended) in regards to keeping people’s money.

CCL is basically appealing to coaches and their schedules but as a league it’s a joke.

Imagine... you pay 2000 or more in a year and play like 5 games in fall and luckily almost 8 in spring. It’s pathetic.

EDP on the other hand has a genuine system of promotion/relegation which naturally makes talent flow up and less-skilled go down but it is organized well and smoothly. On top of that EDP’s exposure is better than CCL. I’ve met college coaches in EDP high profile matches.

How do I know you ask?

I have coached both.

you might have coached both but you are only telling part of the story. for the $2000 or more for pathetic 13 games you mention how do you calculate my daughters team that plays both CCL and EDP for no additional cost to me as a parent?
Maybe consider the club, what they offer, how well its fit for you kid, the value you get for your money and so on versus take a "coach" perspective on one league being pathetic because a club charges $2000 for 13 games. how that has anything to do with the actual league itself is beyond me.

PP poster from comment above here... this is precisely why we are leaving. On top of the 13 CCL league games, imagine not getting blown out in them (we're honestly not even competitive). As you said, we're looking at the entirety of the club.

Alexandria has at least two boys teams who play EDP. If you're looking for a team who plays EDP, look at SYC. Their top teams, at least the ages my kids play, play in the EDP. CCL is a club format, not based on the ability of the team, which is why EDP works better; however, EDP does have the same club to club format, which is again just like CCL, a mixed bag of teams. Look for a team that plays on your DC level and find a coach you like.

We have players who have been in both leagues and a CCL A team would get beat 10-0 by our A team. It's not based on skill since as PP have stated its 1:1 club format, not pro/rel like the EDP format. We have found that EDP is much better at matching skills between teams. The travel with CCL was also a lot worse (ie. driving to Virginia Beach for one game). It's been a while so this may have changed in recent years.

A three hour drive to Harford is just as bad as a three hour drive to VA Beach.

Fair. But we generally drove to Maryland areas.

That is true; honestly there's pros and cons to competing in both leagues. I think what matters most of course is your club.

Which is a big concern for us since our club is very small and going through a lot of changes. Hope we have games this Fall.

What’s the name of your club?

Not PP, but we have similar problem... we’re leaving Lmvsc. There’s so few players at training right now, there’s no way the “academy plan” will work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a similar situation but with subtle differences.

My DS team got dismantled and couldn’t not follow his teammates because most of them went to a club out of our commuting range.

DS got offered a spot in an EDP team but is a small club. I don’t have much info on it and not sure if it’s ideal move but I don’t want him to be without soccer.

Bigger club out of our range also offered and will be in CCL2 but we are exploring all angles.

Does anyone have substantial feedback on Leesburg area soccer clubs with CCL/EDP level? Ideally we would like to keep commuting within local reach. Soccer has never been my sport and I fully support my DS choices but I’m not invested enough to know what the best decision would be.

Also, refund policies are a big factor into this decision. Whatever you know is welcome. TIA

I like edp better than ccl. Ccl is based on club not how good or bad your team is. Edp is based on your team talent. Your coach has say in what division they play in.

+1 CCL is a joke

EDP is a joke if you aren't in the top division.

Where do you suggest they play then, CCL2?

You find the best team, coach, and teammates for your kid. The most competitive environment where your kid is about middle of the pack. League might be NCSL, CCL, or EDP for most, but doesn’t matter. EDP Div2 or lower is no better than CCL.

[Anonymous]

Arguing about which club provides which league and etc is so stupid. What matters most is your club, coach and what team you are on. That is first precedence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Arguing about which club provides which league and etc is so stupid. What matters most is your club, coach and what team you are on. That is first precedence.

How to restate without being snarky, “What matters most is your club, coach and what team you are on.“

IMO, what matters most in order of precedence:
Coach
Teammates
Logistics
League/competition level
Club

Even if the club collapses or is in shambles or dishonest, if the parents, coach and teammates are simpatico, the entire team can move clubs once the current season is over. Heck, you can even start your own club if needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arguing about which club provides which league and etc is so stupid. What matters most is your club, coach and what team you are on. That is first precedence.

How to restate without being snarky, “What matters most is your club, coach and what team you are on.“

IMO, what matters most in order of precedence:
Coach
Teammates
Logistics
League/competition level
Club

Even if the club collapses or is in shambles or dishonest, if the parents, coach and teammates are simpatico, the entire team can move clubs once the current season is over. Heck, you can even start your own club if needed.

And good luck finding a club that meets all or most of those needs! It's generally a pretty big trade-off in this area...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Arguing about which club provides which league and etc is so stupid. What matters most is your club, coach and what team you are on. That is first precedence.

How to restate without being snarky, “What matters most is your club, coach and what team you are on.“

IMO, what matters most in order of precedence:
Coach
Teammates
Logistics
League/competition level
Club

Even if the club collapses or is in shambles or dishonest, if the parents, coach and teammates are simpatico, the entire team can move clubs once the current season is over. Heck, you can even start your own club if needed.

I would say teammates then club, because the club dictates everything else on that list.

[Anonymous]

We just got some good advice, if you are worried don’t be. Contact the club you want to go to, they’ll help out with more than one opportunity to select. You can gauge what is appropriate based on their coaches, players, how many players, etc.

[Anonymous]

Make some calls. Almost all clubs have significant under enrollment this year, especially in the younger age groups. Many clubs had to either reduce the number of teams per age group or have the same number of teams with very lean rosters (teams with only 2-3 subs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Make some calls. Almost all clubs have significant under enrollment this year, especially in the younger age groups. Many clubs had to either reduce the number of teams per age group or have the same number of teams with very lean rosters (teams with only 2-3 subs).

Absolutely; we lost a TON of players and teams last year and there's only more lost this year. Should've made calls last summer, but didn't wait to make that mistake again.