Bon Appetit not paying non-white editors for appearances

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Anonymous wrote:Calling Rappaport white is misleading. He's Jewish. BA channel's highest paid personality Claire is also Jewish. I don't think Claire even had a real job before joining BA in her 30s - just an aimless drifting Ivy Leaguer living a life of leisure. I truly empathize with Sohla.

Jewish people can be white.

Jewish person here who is absolutely considered “white.” Is the first poster here saying that Jewish people are worse than regular white people, or are they just an unclear writer? Trying to figure out whether I should be offended.

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People start talking and its all over

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Anonymous wrote:it's not an accident that all the editors who actually get paid are white, and it's not an accident that the vast majority of corporate leadership is white. This happens all around us, and white people say nothing. It's time for this crap to end.

Uhh... because until a few years ago, whites were the vast majority of the population? And because whites are still the vast majority of college educated people in the United States?

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Anonymous wrote:it's not an accident that all the editors who actually get paid are white, and it's not an accident that the vast majority of corporate leadership is white. This happens all around us, and white people say nothing. It's time for this crap to end.

Uhh... because until a few years ago, whites were the vast majority of the population? And because whites are still the vast majority of college educated people in the United States?

Whites are the same level of population they always were - even decreased if you look at the population numbers now. They were just given the vast majority of opportunities through nepotism and financial accruement.

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Anonymous wrote:it's not an accident that all the editors who actually get paid are white, and it's not an accident that the vast majority of corporate leadership is white. This happens all around us, and white people say nothing. It's time for this crap to end.

Uhh... because until a few years ago, whites were the vast majority of the population? And because whites are still the vast majority of college educated people in the United States?

Sorry...a DISPROPORTIONATE majority of corporate leadership is white. Better??

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

I'm reading this the same way you are PP. I think that some of the posters here are using a big brush and it is going to backfire. It is okay to be very specific - this is racist because... But using the big brush and claiming it is ALL racist does more harm than good. At some point people will begin tuning out all of these protests because it is too much fluff and no substance. Credibility is more important than quantity in this case. I am not a POC but I am the mom in a mixed race family.

If you think these protests are too much fluff and no substance , then speak for yourself . Do you think it's a coincidence that the only paid people were Jewish (white) editors ? Your demographic and marital status are not only irrelevant but do not preclude you from having and doubling down on your blind spots .

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

But the issue at it's core is still a race one. If you create a system where for some reason only white people are being granted the title that comes with pay, why? Why is that happening? Allowing people to dismiss it as simply a distinction between editors and associate editors, you miss the forrest for the trees. Whether there are white assistant editors is beyond the point, and simply a distraction. POC are being kept out of the paying positions, and the company (and the country) needs to reckon with why that has been allowed to happen.

Then I think we need to ask why BA doesn’t have a single BIPOC editor. And say that only editors get paid and assistants do not. That to me suggests a structural problem. Whereas the way I’ve seen it framed was “Look at Rapoport the racist, he only paid white editors and didn’t pay the minority ones.” So BA has a larger more systemic issue. We don’t just need to get the minority assistant editors paid. We need to push for more inclusive hiring and promoting practices.

I completely agree with you re the systemic issue and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I want to point out though that as a member of two mixed race families (childhood and choice), I find the term BIPOC to be incredibly offensive and exclusionary. Why must any organization specifically have a BIPOC and not a POC? It is like saying that an organization specifically must have a transgender woman, disregarding other members of the LBGQT community. The point is we need more seats at the table for people in a minority group. For a minority group to call out reserving places for only their group or to place a priority on only their group is as offensive as the exclusion of all minority peoples.

FYI, "BIPOC" stands for "Black, Indigenous, Person/People Of Color." It's more inclusive than POC. The "BI" doesn't stand for "bisexual."

Oh dear. No one thinks that the BI stands for bisexual. But to limit the group to ONLY black and indigenous is exclusionary. So only skin color counts? Indigenous? Like wth. What moron came up with that as an "inclusionary" (definition: native, occurring naturally in a particular place) term. Nope.

Oh, yes, they do. Sorry, but that letter combo is taken.

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Anonymous wrote:Calling Rappaport white is misleading. He's Jewish. BA channel's highest paid personality Claire is also Jewish. I don't think Claire even had a real job before joining BA in her 30s - just an aimless drifting Ivy Leaguer living a life of leisure. I truly empathize with Sohla.

Jewish people can be white.

Jewish person here who is absolutely considered “white.” Is the first poster here saying that Jewish people are worse than regular white people, or are they just an unclear writer? Trying to figure out whether I should be offended.

If Jewish people are white , then nazis must've missed the memo. If they're white , then the white Europeans at the hands of whom they suffered centuries upon centuries of violence, persecution and humiliation must've missed the memo too. I think what the first PP meant what was that - the Jewish heritage of rapoport and that Claire chick- makes these allegations even more damning .in a nutshell, rapoport has ZERO excuse , none whatsoever for this . He should have known better and perhaps , in a way, that makes him worse than a white person .

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Anonymous wrote:Calling Rappaport white is misleading. He's Jewish. BA channel's highest paid personality Claire is also Jewish. I don't think Claire even had a real job before joining BA in her 30s - just an aimless drifting Ivy Leaguer living a life of leisure. I truly empathize with Sohla.

Jewish people can be white.

Jewish person here who is absolutely considered “white.” Is the first poster here saying that Jewish people are worse than regular white people, or are they just an unclear writer? Trying to figure out whether I should be offended.

If Jewish people are white , then nazis must've missed the memo. If they're white , then the white Europeans at the hands of whom they suffered centuries upon centuries of violence, persecution and humiliation must've missed the memo too. I think what the first PP meant what was that - the Jewish heritage of rapoport and that Claire chick- makes these allegations even more damning .in a nutshell, rapoport has ZERO excuse , none whatsoever for this . He should have known better and perhaps , in a way, that makes him worse than a white person .

Uhhh, yes, the nazis DID in fact miss the memo! 🙄 of course European Jews are white. Geez.

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Anonymous wrote:Calling Rappaport white is misleading. He's Jewish. BA channel's highest paid personality Claire is also Jewish. I don't think Claire even had a real job before joining BA in her 30s - just an aimless drifting Ivy Leaguer living a life of leisure. I truly empathize with Sohla.

Jewish people can be white.

Jewish person here who is absolutely considered “white.” Is the first poster here saying that Jewish people are worse than regular white people, or are they just an unclear writer? Trying to figure out whether I should be offended.

If Jewish people are white , then nazis must've missed the memo. If they're white , then the white Europeans at the hands of whom they suffered centuries upon centuries of violence, persecution and humiliation must've missed the memo too. I think what the first PP meant what was that - the Jewish heritage of rapoport and that Claire chick- makes these allegations even more damning .in a nutshell, rapoport has ZERO excuse , none whatsoever for this . He should have known better and perhaps , in a way, that makes him worse than a white person .

Uhhh, yes, the nazis DID in fact miss the memo! 🙄 of course European Jews are white. Geez.

European Jews are only white TO European Jews . You're certainly within your prerogative to be as dense and ignorant as you want but history does not back you up on this . Anyway, the point remains that Mr rapoport is vile and scum for being the bigot he is .

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Anonymous wrote:I know thr director of the test kitchen there- chris morocco. He posted some Bs story On his insta that he supports his bipoc colleagues and yet admits he was given favorable treatment as a male man. He should resign too. Thats so gross

For too long people with favor or advantage have sat by knowing others were disadvantaged and been quite content to take their piece and go on.

If you call yourself a liberal and ally, letting a colleague of equal talent and hard work basically work herself into impoverishment says something else entirely.

Chris is 40. I think Sohla is as well. They both graduated from the Culinary Institute of America. She's making 50K and I guarantee he's not walking out of those kitchens without 125K.

Thank you . Claire's mea culpa is nausea-inducing .

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

She’s mid 30s with real experience, while the “star” brats are idle rich layabouts with no real experience. Claire is like 35 and never had a real job. But she went to Harvard.

Yep. It should be a conversation on why she was a Assistant Editor in the first place when she clearly runs circles around this -

GOURMET Tator Tots I mean...its a crime against humanity

Jesus H Christ !. I had heard of bon appetit and I always thought they were pretentious for using a French expression for their mag . But, this video and that Claire saffitz chick, what in the actual F? Just endlessly mumbling about a whole bunch of nothing . I guess that's 'meritocracy' for ya .

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The new job posting for Rapaport's former position as Bon Appetit Editor-in-Chief is up. Surprise, surprise it STARTS at $100K. I'm guessing Adam wasn't taking in less than $150K.

Asshole.

https://www.theladders.com/job/editor-in-chief-creativity-condenast-new-york-ny_43188612

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Anonymous wrote:The new job posting for Rapaport's former position as Bon Appetit Editor-in-Chief is up. Surprise, surprise it STARTS at $100K. I'm guessing Adam wasn't taking in less than $150K.

Asshole.

https://www.theladders.com/job/editor-in-chief-creativity-condenast-new-york-ny_43188612

I'd bet he was making closer to $500k.

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I hope they fire Claire, it would be nice to see her humbled. She is so phony and talentless and clearly thought she was better than everyone else. 35 year old who never worked a day in her life, rolled in and was the highest paid in the kitchen. Plus it's interesting how she was handed the most clickbait theme show, which was stolen from other YouTube personalities. Unoriginal hacks.

The young man Brad has good energy and should have some sort of on the road themed show ala Diners Drive in and Dives. He's wasting his talent and prime at this second rate magazine.