Bon Appetit not paying non-white editors for appearances

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Anonymous wrote:For those who said they can't tell its brownface. You just have to look at their friends comments to clearly see the intentions of the couple - negatively portraying Puerto Rican gangster lifestyle when they both grew up in affluent UMC households (Rapaport went to Wilson in DC)

Why was this ok in 2004 and ok again in 2014? Rapoport was already at GQ and then at BA by 2014. Nobody said anything or objected online at the time? And why the F would his wife have reposted this in 2014?

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Anonymous wrote:For those who said they can't tell its brownface. You just have to look at their friends comments to clearly see the intentions of the couple - negatively portraying Puerto Rican gangster lifestyle when they both grew up in affluent UMC households (Rapaport went to Wilson in DC)

Why was this ok in 2004 and ok again in 2014? Rapoport was already at GQ and then at BA by 2014. Nobody said anything or objected online at the time? And why the F would his wife have reposted this in 2014?

I can’t answer that. I do know I’d be filing for divorce from the wife. Who is stupid enough to post a picture like that? Even her friend asked if Adam knew she posted it and she just shrugged it off.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t anyone say anything in 2013 when Rapoport’s wife posted the photo of them both? Was it not offensive to us collectively as Americans, or what?

It wasn’t offensive then and it’s not terribly offensive now either.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

But the issue at it's core is still a race one. If you create a system where for some reason only white people are being granted the title that comes with pay, why? Why is that happening? Allowing people to dismiss it as simply a distinction between editors and associate editors, you miss the forrest for the trees. Whether there are white assistant editors is beyond the point, and simply a distraction. POC are being kept out of the paying positions, and the company (and the country) needs to reckon with why that has been allowed to happen.

Then I think we need to ask why BA doesn’t have a single BIPOC editor. And say that only editors get paid and assistants do not. That to me suggests a structural problem. Whereas the way I’ve seen it framed was “Look at Rapoport the racist, he only paid white editors and didn’t pay the minority ones.” So BA has a larger more systemic issue. We don’t just need to get the minority assistant editors paid. We need to push for more inclusive hiring and promoting practices.

I completely agree with you re the systemic issue and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I want to point out though that as a member of two mixed race families (childhood and choice), I find the term BIPOC to be incredibly offensive and exclusionary. Why must any organization specifically have a BIPOC and not a POC? It is like saying that an organization specifically must have a transgender woman, disregarding other members of the LBGQT community. The point is we need more seats at the table for people in a minority group. For a minority group to call out reserving places for only their group or to place a priority on only their group is as offensive as the exclusion of all minority peoples.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

But the issue at it's core is still a race one. If you create a system where for some reason only white people are being granted the title that comes with pay, why? Why is that happening? Allowing people to dismiss it as simply a distinction between editors and associate editors, you miss the forrest for the trees. Whether there are white assistant editors is beyond the point, and simply a distraction. POC are being kept out of the paying positions, and the company (and the country) needs to reckon with why that has been allowed to happen.

Then I think we need to ask why BA doesn’t have a single BIPOC editor. And say that only editors get paid and assistants do not. That to me suggests a structural problem. Whereas the way I’ve seen it framed was “Look at Rapoport the racist, he only paid white editors and didn’t pay the minority ones.” So BA has a larger more systemic issue. We don’t just need to get the minority assistant editors paid. We need to push for more inclusive hiring and promoting practices.

I completely agree with you re the systemic issue and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I want to point out though that as a member of two mixed race families (childhood and choice), I find the term BIPOC to be incredibly offensive and exclusionary. Why must any organization specifically have a BIPOC and not a POC? It is like saying that an organization specifically must have a transgender woman, disregarding other members of the LBGQT community. The point is we need more seats at the table for people in a minority group. For a minority group to call out reserving places for only their group or to place a priority on only their group is as offensive as the exclusion of all minority peoples.

FYI, "BIPOC" stands for "Black, Indigenous, Person/People Of Color." It's more inclusive than POC. The "BI" doesn't stand for "bisexual."

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

But the issue at it's core is still a race one. If you create a system where for some reason only white people are being granted the title that comes with pay, why? Why is that happening? Allowing people to dismiss it as simply a distinction between editors and associate editors, you miss the forrest for the trees. Whether there are white assistant editors is beyond the point, and simply a distraction. POC are being kept out of the paying positions, and the company (and the country) needs to reckon with why that has been allowed to happen.

Then I think we need to ask why BA doesn’t have a single BIPOC editor. And say that only editors get paid and assistants do not. That to me suggests a structural problem. Whereas the way I’ve seen it framed was “Look at Rapoport the racist, he only paid white editors and didn’t pay the minority ones.” So BA has a larger more systemic issue. We don’t just need to get the minority assistant editors paid. We need to push for more inclusive hiring and promoting practices.

I completely agree with you re the systemic issue and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I want to point out though that as a member of two mixed race families (childhood and choice), I find the term BIPOC to be incredibly offensive and exclusionary. Why must any organization specifically have a BIPOC and not a POC? It is like saying that an organization specifically must have a transgender woman, disregarding other members of the LBGQT community. The point is we need more seats at the table for people in a minority group. For a minority group to call out reserving places for only their group or to place a priority on only their group is as offensive as the exclusion of all minority peoples.

FYI, "BIPOC" stands for "Black, Indigenous, Person/People Of Color." It's more inclusive than POC. The "BI" doesn't stand for "bisexual."

But doesn’t the BI part already fit into the POC definition? The BI part serves to further distinguish those groups apart from “regular” POC.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who said they can't tell its brownface. You just have to look at their friends comments to clearly see the intentions of the couple - negatively portraying Puerto Rican gangster lifestyle when they both grew up in affluent UMC households (Rapaport went to Wilson in DC)

Why was this ok in 2004 and ok again in 2014? Rapoport was already at GQ and then at BA by 2014. Nobody said anything or objected online at the time? And why the F would his wife have reposted this in 2014?

I can’t answer that. I do know I’d be filing for divorce from the wife. Who is stupid enough to post a picture like that? Even her friend asked if Adam knew she posted it and she just shrugged it off.

DP. Even though we weren't "woke" I don't think I would have thought it was okay in 2004. However most people present at the party or seeing the pic probably (I hope at the very least!) would have recognized it for what it was but only cringed and laughed it off in a "oh ho ho, isn't that funny" in an eyeball roll kind of way. There was a lot of tolerance for racial and SES intolerance in the 2000s. But to repost it in 2014? There is a reason for that. It smacks of spite and malice. Neither of them come off looking good in this but he actually comes out slightly ahead of her, which is pretty unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

But the issue at it's core is still a race one. If you create a system where for some reason only white people are being granted the title that comes with pay, why? Why is that happening? Allowing people to dismiss it as simply a distinction between editors and associate editors, you miss the forrest for the trees. Whether there are white assistant editors is beyond the point, and simply a distraction. POC are being kept out of the paying positions, and the company (and the country) needs to reckon with why that has been allowed to happen.

Then I think we need to ask why BA doesn’t have a single BIPOC editor. And say that only editors get paid and assistants do not. That to me suggests a structural problem. Whereas the way I’ve seen it framed was “Look at Rapoport the racist, he only paid white editors and didn’t pay the minority ones.” So BA has a larger more systemic issue. We don’t just need to get the minority assistant editors paid. We need to push for more inclusive hiring and promoting practices.

I completely agree with you re the systemic issue and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I want to point out though that as a member of two mixed race families (childhood and choice), I find the term BIPOC to be incredibly offensive and exclusionary. Why must any organization specifically have a BIPOC and not a POC? It is like saying that an organization specifically must have a transgender woman, disregarding other members of the LBGQT community. The point is we need more seats at the table for people in a minority group. For a minority group to call out reserving places for only their group or to place a priority on only their group is as offensive as the exclusion of all minority peoples.

FYI, "BIPOC" stands for "Black, Indigenous, Person/People Of Color." It's more inclusive than POC. The "BI" doesn't stand for "bisexual."

But doesn’t the BI part already fit into the POC definition? The BI part serves to further distinguish those groups apart from “regular” POC.

I think the idea is to unite all people of color while recognizing that black and indigenous people have vastly different interactions with white America than other POC do. If you don't like that definition, don't @ me - I'm just providing the info, not endorsing.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

But the issue at it's core is still a race one. If you create a system where for some reason only white people are being granted the title that comes with pay, why? Why is that happening? Allowing people to dismiss it as simply a distinction between editors and associate editors, you miss the forrest for the trees. Whether there are white assistant editors is beyond the point, and simply a distraction. POC are being kept out of the paying positions, and the company (and the country) needs to reckon with why that has been allowed to happen.

Then I think we need to ask why BA doesn’t have a single BIPOC editor. And say that only editors get paid and assistants do not. That to me suggests a structural problem. Whereas the way I’ve seen it framed was “Look at Rapoport the racist, he only paid white editors and didn’t pay the minority ones.” So BA has a larger more systemic issue. We don’t just need to get the minority assistant editors paid. We need to push for more inclusive hiring and promoting practices.

I completely agree with you re the systemic issue and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I want to point out though that as a member of two mixed race families (childhood and choice), I find the term BIPOC to be incredibly offensive and exclusionary. Why must any organization specifically have a BIPOC and not a POC? It is like saying that an organization specifically must have a transgender woman, disregarding other members of the LBGQT community. The point is we need more seats at the table for people in a minority group. For a minority group to call out reserving places for only their group or to place a priority on only their group is as offensive as the exclusion of all minority peoples.

FYI, "BIPOC" stands for "Black, Indigenous, Person/People Of Color." It's more inclusive than POC. The "BI" doesn't stand for "bisexual."

Oh dear. No one thinks that the BI stands for bisexual. But to limit the group to ONLY black and indigenous is exclusionary. So only skin color counts? Indigenous? Like wth. What moron came up with that as an "inclusionary" (definition: native, occurring naturally in a particular place) term. Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren’t assistant editors always paid less than editors? I don’t see the issue here but I feel it’s because I’m missing info.

So it is ok to play POC less if you give them a crappier title?

I think the real question is why all the editors are white while only assistant editors are POC. It was slightly misleading to say only white editors were paid. Only editors were paid. Yes, all those editors happen to be white. And that is the problem. It’s not that there are white editors and POC editors and only the white ones were paid.

That's how institutional racism works. No one made a rule that only white editors would get paid. It just somehow worked out that none of the POC editors were granted that title. And until this woman said something, everyone at that company, including her white coworkers, were silent on the issue. Those people probably don't consider themselves racist. But because the way the system was setup didn't hurt them, they were comfortable turning a blind eye. And if a POC had said THIS IS RACIST previously, they'd have been dismissed as a nutcase.

I agree with you. And I thinks it’s a potato, potahto thing - it’s racist either way. But I still think the focus should be on the editor/assistant editor issue along with getting paid. Framing it as “only WHITE editors got paid and POC didn’t” sets it up so people can say “Oh look POC trying to make trouble again and lying; editors got paid and assistants didn’t.” I’d also want to know whether there are white assistant editors. Did they get paid? I say this as a minority btw.

But the issue at it's core is still a race one. If you create a system where for some reason only white people are being granted the title that comes with pay, why? Why is that happening? Allowing people to dismiss it as simply a distinction between editors and associate editors, you miss the forrest for the trees. Whether there are white assistant editors is beyond the point, and simply a distraction. POC are being kept out of the paying positions, and the company (and the country) needs to reckon with why that has been allowed to happen.

Then I think we need to ask why BA doesn’t have a single BIPOC editor. And say that only editors get paid and assistants do not. That to me suggests a structural problem. Whereas the way I’ve seen it framed was “Look at Rapoport the racist, he only paid white editors and didn’t pay the minority ones.” So BA has a larger more systemic issue. We don’t just need to get the minority assistant editors paid. We need to push for more inclusive hiring and promoting practices.

I completely agree with you re the systemic issue and that needs to be addressed immediately.

I want to point out though that as a member of two mixed race families (childhood and choice), I find the term BIPOC to be incredibly offensive and exclusionary. Why must any organization specifically have a BIPOC and not a POC? It is like saying that an organization specifically must have a transgender woman, disregarding other members of the LBGQT community. The point is we need more seats at the table for people in a minority group. For a minority group to call out reserving places for only their group or to place a priority on only their group is as offensive as the exclusion of all minority peoples.

FYI, "BIPOC" stands for "Black, Indigenous, Person/People Of Color." It's more inclusive than POC. The "BI" doesn't stand for "bisexual."

But doesn’t the BI part already fit into the POC definition? The BI part serves to further distinguish those groups apart from “regular” POC.

I think the idea is to unite all people of color while recognizing that black and indigenous people have vastly different interactions with white America than other POC do. If you don't like that definition, don't @ me - I'm just providing the info, not endorsing.

And I'm pointing out that as a POC, I am offended by the term.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t anyone say anything in 2013 when Rapoport’s wife posted the photo of them both? Was it not offensive to us collectively as Americans, or what?

It wasn’t offensive then and it’s not terribly offensive now either.

The picture didn’t get him fired. It was just piling on. His actions as a boss got him fired.

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Anonymous wrote:For those who said they can't tell its brownface. You just have to look at their friends comments to clearly see the intentions of the couple - negatively portraying Puerto Rican gangster lifestyle when they both grew up in affluent UMC households (Rapaport went to Wilson in DC)

Why was this ok in 2004 and ok again in 2014? Rapoport was already at GQ and then at BA by 2014. Nobody said anything or objected online at the time? And why the F would his wife have reposted this in 2014?

I can’t answer that. I do know I’d be filing for divorce from the wife. Who is stupid enough to post a picture like that? Even her friend asked if Adam knew she posted it and she just shrugged it off.

Probably another bored and immature SAHM who uses her kids, her husband, anything, to drum up likes and comments all day. Losers addicted to dopamine hits social media gives them.

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Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t anyone say anything in 2013 when Rapoport’s wife posted the photo of them both? Was it not offensive to us collectively as Americans, or what?

It wasn’t offensive then and it’s not terribly offensive now either.

The picture didn’t get him fired. It was just piling on. His actions as a boss got him fired.

What did he do? It seems to me that BA needs to hire some non-white editors. But I’m assuming that wasn’t a fireable offense and I can’t imaging all hiring decisions were made by him alone. I did see the thing about the Puerto Rican fritters but couldn’t see the whole conversation - is that what you are referring to?

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Calling Rappaport white is misleading. He's Jewish. BA channel's highest paid personality Claire is also Jewish. I don't think Claire even had a real job before joining BA in her 30s - just an aimless drifting Ivy Leaguer living a life of leisure. I truly empathize with Sohla.

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Anonymous wrote:Calling Rappaport white is misleading. He's Jewish. BA channel's highest paid personality Claire is also Jewish. I don't think Claire even had a real job before joining BA in her 30s - just an aimless drifting Ivy Leaguer living a life of leisure. I truly empathize with Sohla.

Jewish people can be white.